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There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:27:11 2014 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:29:27 2014, in response to There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:27:11 2014. Link didn't print.Here it is again: Sheepsheadbites blog |
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Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 12:31:34 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:29:27 2014. Link didn't print.Yes, because you entered the HTML code incorrectly. |
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Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 12:45:32 2014, in response to There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:27:11 2014. Many have been summoned or arrestedNo, "many" haven't. "Some" have, and that "some" is a very small percentage of the total number of photographers on SubChat. However, look at the case of two individuals who were fined for the legal act of staying on the subway after Brooklyn Bridge as it looped around the defunct City Hall subway station a few weeks ago.Reputable source? (never mind, found it...see below] They were also found guilty of not breaking any law.WTF??? Read Ben Kabak’s excellent review of what happened.This link should have been in your previous paragraph. The MTA needs to do everything in its power to encourage the use of mass transit. Taking advantage of its riders to unfairly extort money from them through TABHuh? The MTA has nothing to do with that. The money from fines issued by the TAB does NOT go to the MTA! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 13:37:55 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 12:45:32 2014. Regardless of where the money goes, and where TAB falls within the bureaucracy, it is still within the City's and MTA's long term interest to see that everyone is treated fairly and innocent people don't choose to pay just the process is cumbersome. An unfair TAB reflects poorly on the MTA. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 13:42:39 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 13:37:55 2014. You didn't mention the City. You only said MTA. And you strongly implied that the MTA was receiving the fine money. I'm saying that you are wrong and should correct your errors and do more research before posting and/or be more clear to prevent misunderstandings. |
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Posted by MR RT on Mon Aug 25 14:24:20 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:29:27 2014. "... The MTA needs to do everything in its power to encourage the use of mass transit. Taking advantage of its riders to unfairly extort money from them ... and stealing money from riders on their MetroCards ... does not send the message to use mass transit ..."I hope Tom reads this point. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 25 14:30:54 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:29:27 2014. You might want to define what "subchat" is, even though you provided a few links to specific entries, because not everyone will click on those entries, and you're assuming all your readers know what Subchat is. (Maybe that's true, I don't know.)Before subway cars were air-conditioned, you would regularly see steady streams of passengers — up to 50 at a time — walk between cars, I am afraid this is here to stay and probably to protect us from ourselves in these days of inattention or over-multitasking. Before A/C, there were few (maybe no) distractions. Nowadays people have earbuds in their ears listening to loud music while looking at things in their smartphones totally oblivious to what's around them. I don't like it either, but I can totally see why it's been implemented. --Mark |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 25 14:42:47 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 25 14:30:54 2014. Since walking between cars is something one actively does, what does that have to do with distraction? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 15:32:43 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 25 14:30:54 2014. We have too much legislation trying to protect people from themselves. People just need to use more common sense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 15:37:54 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 13:42:39 2014. Where did I imply that the MTA is receiving money from fines?I was speaking only about harassment. Besides I think there is some formula where the MTA does receive some fine money specifically as it relates to cars operating in bus lanes, and perhaps from certain other types of fines. But that isn't wasn't the main point of the article anyway. The main points were the unfairness of the justice system, bad rules, and harassment, all of which goes to discourage the use of mass transit. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 25 16:37:30 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 15:37:54 2014. Where did I imply that the MTA is receiving money from fines?From your column: "The MTA needs to do everything in its power to encourage the use of mass transit. Taking advantage of its riders to unfairly extort money from them through TAB and stealing money from riders on their MetroCards, as I mentioned last week, does not send the message to use mass transit rather than drive." "Extort money from them through TAB" clearly implies that the MTA is getting the money that TAB collects. If that isn't what you meant, you did a very poor job of saying what you did mean. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 16:38:01 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 15:37:54 2014. Where did I imply that the MTA is receiving money from fines?I quoted it! "The MTA needs to do everything in its power to encourage the use of mass transit. Taking advantage of its riders to unfairly extort money from them through TAB" I was speaking only about harassment."Extorting money" is more than just harassment. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 18:52:55 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 25 16:37:30 2014. I see what you are saying, that it might be confusing. But it really doesn't say that the money ends up with the MTA.Do you know if the MTA gets any of the TAB Money? Let's say all of it goes to the City, the money is still generated on a system that the MTA runs using rules created by the MTA, so the way I see it, the MTA is still the party that is extorting the money, even if they are not the ones who are benefitting from it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 19:30:06 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 25 14:30:54 2014. What does that have to do with walking between cars? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 19:34:20 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 18:52:55 2014. I told you the same thing. And yes, again, what you wrote does strongly imply that the MTA ends up with the money.No, your last paragraph makes no sense. If the police and TAB are screwing up the enforcement of what are really simple rules from the MTA, then no, the MTA is not doing the extorting. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 21:25:22 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 19:34:20 2014. According to the MTA website, NYCT inspectors also enforce te rules and issue summonses. The MTA website makes it appear that the TAB is part of the MTA. I see nothing about it being separate from the MTA. That makes the MTA the responsible party. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 23:03:15 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 21:25:22 2014. According to the MTA website, NYCT inspectors also enforce te rules and issue summonses. The MTA website makes it appear that the TAB is part of the MTA. I see nothing about it being separate from the MTA.I never said otherwise. That makes the MTA the responsible party.Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know what controls over the TAB the MTA has. But I was specifically talking about the EXTORTION INVOLVING THE COLLECTION OF FINES AND MONEYS. Said moneys are sent to the City, AFAIK. So there is no incentive for the MTA to "extort". |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 26 07:42:23 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 25 12:29:27 2014. Your artical failed to mention the Brooklyn Bridge IRT loop controversy. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 08:15:49 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 26 07:42:23 2014. Huh? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 08:50:59 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 19:30:06 2014. +0! |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Aug 27 15:31:12 2014, in response to Re: There is a Difference Between Rule Enforcement and Passenger Harassment, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 25 14:42:47 2014. I'm simply saying that nowadays people are more distracted than ever before and it doesn't take much to slip up walking between cars if you're not attentive to it, that's all.--Mark |
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