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LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Aug 20 21:33:03 2014 Object/Purpose of ProjectThis project replaces station platform railings, stair and ramp railings at several stations throughout the Long Island Rail Road. This work shall be performed in an effort to install railings that are code compliant while working to maintain a State of Good Repair. Units/Locations/Limits Various locations. Priority locations which have been identified include the following stations: Kew Gardens, East Rockaway, Centre Avenue, Douglaston, Bay Shore, Cedarhurst, Plandome, Gibson, Greenlawn, Hewlett, Inwood, Kings Park, and Lawrence. Summary Work includes replacing railings in conjunction with the following items: replacement of signage, repair, replacement, or installation, as required, of any chain link fencing located under the platform or flanking the platforms, and replacement of platform shelter sheds. The budget for his project is $10.00 million. The request is for $4.00 million. page 45 |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 20 23:05:53 2014, in response to LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Aug 20 21:33:03 2014. They shoulda stuck with low platforms. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 21 00:15:40 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 20 23:05:53 2014. They shoulda stuck with low platforms.And deal with the piss slow boarding that I see on NJT at their low platform stations? Level boarding was the best thing that the LIRR did with the introduction of the Metropolitan stock. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Thu Aug 21 02:47:24 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 20 23:05:53 2014. That's very regressive thought. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 21 04:18:38 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 21 00:15:40 2014. Absurd and false characterization. Boarding was faster when there were low platforms on the NEC in fact; the average speeds of trains were faster too, even with push-pull. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 21 04:21:32 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Ray Jules on Thu Aug 21 02:47:24 2014. How? Is it "regressive" when new light rail is built with low platforms too? Is there a higher population that cannot climb stairs, or is it more expensive to build low-floor EMUs/DMUs and push-pull cars (which it isn't)?Boarding at low platforms on curves is generally safer than boarding at high platforms on curves as well. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 21 07:23:37 2014, in response to LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Aug 20 21:33:03 2014. Cedarhurst does not need stair or railing replacement. The existing stairs and railings are constructed of steel and are in excellent condition. Absolute waste of money.If the MTA wants to spend money at Cedarhurst, it should build an walkway over the tracks, like at Gibson. This way, people wouldn't be compelled to scurry past the gates to make their trains on the opposite track, thanks to the asinine scheduling by the MTA. I've already spoken to the MTA about this - I was told that any overpass must be ADA-compliant and has to include elevators, and the MTA has decided that Cedarhurst doesn't have a high enough usage to justify the cost. I told the rep that sooner or later someone's going to get killed there. Case in point: The station is located just north of the commercial center of Cedarhurst (Cedarhurst and Central Avenues). The vast majority of people are coming from the northern side of the station, which is the residential side. The 9:03 to Jamaica, a very heavily-used train due to its direct connection to the Penn Station train at Jamaica, comes in on the southern track. However, some idiot scheduled a 9:00 a.m. train to Far Rockaway coming in on the northern track. So, at 8:58 or so, the gates come down and the people who want to make the 9:03 on the southern platform have to wait until (1) the Far Rockaway train arrives (2) discharges its few passengers and (3) leaves. Of course, just as the Far Rock train is disgorging its few passengers, the 9:03 comes in, WITH THE GATES HAVING BEEN DOWN FOR ALMOST 3-4 MINUTES. And of course, the 9:03 is only 8 cars long, so its comes to a full stop at the far end of the station, and many people have to sprint down the platform just to make the last car. Many's the time that the 9:03 has left before the gates go back up. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 21 13:17:18 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 21 07:23:37 2014. Asinine scheduling? You do realize the trains have to pass "somewhere". If not Cedarhurst, than at another station. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 21 14:18:29 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 21 07:23:37 2014. One would think the regulars factor the gate timing into their schedules for catching the train. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 21 14:26:16 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by italianstallion on Thu Aug 21 14:18:29 2014. Indeed. Leave early, arrive early. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 21 14:46:04 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 21 13:17:18 2014. Obviously. But the schedule maker is aware that the more heavily-used westbound train is coming at 9:03, why schedule a Far Rock train at 9:00? |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 21 15:31:26 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 21 04:21:32 2014. Is it "regressive" when new light rail is built with low platforms too?No, that's an example of level boarding which is good practice. Is there a higher population that cannot climb stairs Yes, our senior citizen population has increased considerably... |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 21 15:39:13 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 21 04:18:38 2014. Boarding was faster when there were low platforms on the NEC in factFWIW, you can get away with low platforms when you have a small handful of people actually getting on the train. Once you have actual ridership, then level boarding is best. I've seen how this plays out at my cousin's stop, and yes, it takes much longer for everybody to climb onboard into the train versus the level quarter point double with doors of the Metropolitans. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Aug 21 15:43:04 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 21 14:46:04 2014. I will attempt to answer that based on the public schedules, however such is very difficult for a number of reasons. The first of which is that there is in fact, no Far Rockaway train at 9:00 AM. Train 2812 passes through Cedarhurst at 827, followed by 2814 at 9:24. I will assume you are referring to 2812 as it does have an inbound train relatively close to it at Cedarhurst, train 2825, at 8:30. Going from the outer end of the line, in, Reasons I would think of for the train arrive at 8:27 at Cedarhurst:1: Far Rockaway terminal operations- Perhaps a train is pulled out of the rather small Far Rockaway yard to become 2827, the 8:54 out of Far Rockaway in the minutes before 2812 arrives. This could block the terminal for incoming trains. If one wanted to push the train even earlier, they would risk running afoul of train 2823 (the 8:19)at Cedarhurst, which considering the whole point of this is to avoid such meets, seems counterproductive. Furthermore, 2812 could become 2827 which could prevent 2812 from arriving later if one wants any reasonable recovery time for the train. 2: Moving down the line, the junctions east of Valley Stream could easily mandate 2812's schedule(It arrives at VS at 8:15.). Perhaps Babylon or Montauk trains are using the Atlantic branch between Jamaica and Valley Stream at that time. Such trains would be blocked by the 8:16 Long Beach (train 821) As they cross over to the Montauk branch. Both train 18 and 22 could be scheduled to take the Atlantic branch, and would fairly closely bracket 2812. 3: Atlantic - Jamaica. 2812 is an Atlantic Terminal train. if it were pushed earlier, it would end up stuck behind train 812 to Long Beach. If it were pushed later, it would end up blocking 710 to Hempstead. If it were pushed earlier, it would force Penn Station and Woodside passengers from train 2008 to take an earlier connecting train out of Penn. If it were pushed later, it would force Atlantic terminal passengers for train 2008 to Ronkonkoma to take an earlier connecting train. It could also easily gum up Jamaica to move it in either direction, and Jamaica is gummed up enough as it is. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Aug 21 18:33:31 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 21 07:23:37 2014. Until 1967, there was a pedestrian crossing with lights and bells at about the location between the 2 station buildings. My grandmother would take her shopping cart over it every other day between her house on Oak Avenue and Daitch-Shopwell or Bohack.From 1968 and on, she had to go via Washington Ave. Woodmere had similar. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 22 07:55:19 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by R30A on Thu Aug 21 15:43:04 2014. That's why the LIRR leaves the scheduling to the professionals, and not Mitch. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 22 07:56:34 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Joe V on Thu Aug 21 18:33:31 2014. So did most low level platforms. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 22 08:31:44 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Joe V on Thu Aug 21 18:33:31 2014. Interesting information. Doesn't help me now, though. |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Tue Aug 26 22:29:53 2014, in response to LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Aug 20 21:33:03 2014. Kings Park, and Greenlawn definitely need this work! The platform lighting was replaced at Kings Park a few years ago, but not the railings, so this is due! Greenlawn needs everything basically since the platforms are original from 1985, and the platform lights were kept at ground level when the platforms were built! |
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Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 27 18:31:03 2014, in response to Re: LIRR station rehab: (13 Stations) Station Platform Railing Replacement, posted by Neil Feldman on Tue Aug 26 22:29:53 2014. What about the abandoned track and platform at Greenlawn for the stillborn electrification ? |
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