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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 13:52:12 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 09:10:24 2014. They don't exist. Right? SEPTA still really wants to be all-MU.I meant all-electric. But if my flub gets you to post pix, so much the better. If only SEPTA had the brains to grab some of NJT's surplus ALP-45DPs (oh yeah, they're surplus) for runs beyond Lansdale and beyond Norristown with those push-pulls. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 13:53:25 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 30 05:15:10 2014. That's not what the hoggers say. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 14:10:05 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 13:52:12 2014. SEPTA still really wants to be all-MU.That's why they announced an RFP for replacements for their worn out AEM7's and ALP44. |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Jul 30 15:26:40 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 09:10:24 2014. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars on these pictures.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Jul 30 16:47:11 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 13:46:50 2014. Why not learn a thing or two from them??? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 30 17:41:29 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Jul 30 16:47:11 2014. Won't work. Terrapin Station has his own dumb ways!!! |
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Posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 30 18:03:52 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 13:53:25 2014. There can be differences in the truck equalization under weight transfer, there can be differences in how gently the controls can ease the power up to just short of slipping, there can be differences in how much the controls let a slip run away and how they ease back out of a slip. All of these would be keenly observed by an engineer but none of them are to do with being loco hauled or MU. He just notices the big visual of a given loco or MU handling better, not the little visual of which printed circuit board type is in the locker. Even an MU's spreading out of the motors would be a tradeoff, multiple axles slipping would be harder to notice and harder to adjust for.In industry the operators are always very aware of differences in machinery performance, they are not always as certain about the actual underlying reasons why however. That's what design engineers are supposed to figure out. Bill |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jul 30 18:07:45 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 09:10:24 2014. Great shots! When was the next to last shot taken? I don't think I ever saw those cars in that paint scheme. I've only seen them with the blue and red below the windows... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:03:30 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:33:19 2014. And you responded again, again, and again, not on the subject matter, but to scold, which is why most here cannot stand you. . |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:04:25 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:32:02 2014. Right. I didn't forget because they choose to be all diesel, and MARC is headed that way too. . |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:09:50 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 29 22:02:25 2014. NJT has been anti-MU for 30 years. They blame FRA inspections on the cabs, not Amtrak's preferences. Notice that SEPTA does not care. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:14:08 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jul 30 06:33:21 2014. NJT has also said they will never buy another passenger car that in not bi-level. So Amtrak suggested they buy a Multi-level power car, good for 2 MLV trailers, and replace MU's that way. Board Chairman Simpson has said at meetings that they are postponing any decisions. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:16:30 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 30 05:15:10 2014. ALP46 has a heck of a lot better traction than an ALP44, which is why the latter was retired prematurely. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:17:55 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 07:36:03 2014. No he didn't. The ALP44 are gone because they had bad traction, especially on the M&E. Anybody riding the M&E can tell you that. They couldn't handle the HEP on the MLV's either. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:19:21 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 30 18:03:52 2014. I don't recall any MU's struggling on wet leaves on the M&E like the ALP44's did, and ALP46's do, though to a lesser extent. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 19:30:04 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:17:55 2014. The ALP44 are gone because they had bad tractionOh come on. NJT and their BS excuses. Amtrak can run the AEM-7s for 36 years without "traction problems" and NJT has such "problems" with the ALP-44 derivative. The ALP-46s are lighter, so how come they somehow don't have such "traction problems"? (or maybe they will when NJT slacks on the maintenance like they slack on maintaining everything else?) They couldn't handle the HEP on the MLV's either That BS again, eh. That's on the MLVs rather than the locomotives. There's only 150 horsepower difference between the 44 and 46. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 19:35:04 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 14:10:05 2014. RFPs are not necessarily funded. Those can go in the garbage anytime. Remember NJT annoucing RFPs for Comet III rebuilds back in 2005?They still want their Silverliner VIs. They get those and their push-pull fleet goes bye-bye. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:40:22 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 19:30:04 2014. Of course Amtrak can - they run 8 or 9 car trains of lightweight cars, that don't have to stop and go every 3 miles, on generally flat terrain.Traction is a completely different concept than horsepower, and there is more to it than weight. There was also a modest improvement in tractive effort from the ALP46 to the ALP46A. According to wikipedia: ALP44: Max: 7,000 hp or 5.2 MW Continuous: 5,790 hp or 4.32 MW Starting Tractive Effort: 230 kN or 52,000 lbf[1] Weight: doesn't say, but an AEM 7 is 101 short tons (90.18 long tons; 91.63 t) ALP46: 46, starting: 316 kN (71,000 lbf), continuous: 245 kN (55,000 lbf) at 50 mph (80 km/h)[4] 46A : starting : ~316 kN (71,000 lbf), continuous: ~ 240 kN (54,000 lbf) at 85 km/h (53 mph)[5] Weight 46: 198,400 lb (90,000 kg) 46A: 202,822 lb (91,999 kg): |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:43:24 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 19:35:04 2014. They also want MLV's. I suspect they and sort sort of loco will first replace the Bomb fleet and the SL-6 will then do in the SL-4. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Wed Jul 30 20:02:21 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 30 05:15:10 2014. I kno nuthin 'bout locos, so I have a question:The problem sounds like something that could be anticipated, as the grade in/out of the station didn't show up unexpectedly and the weight of the trains is not a mystery. So, why not A. Have 2 spare locos stationed to drag dead trains around. They can be high hours/high miles, as they only need to be used occasionally, plus test driven once a week/month/whatever. or B. Use a freight loco for the spare, with a weight/size waiver if needed sort as it is for emergency use. or C. Use one passenger mule, but with extra ballast. I doubt the wheels will fall off. btw, who/what is Terrapin? Is that account some kind of joke? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 20:06:59 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by steamdriven on Wed Jul 30 20:02:21 2014. They also keep an Amtrak dual-mode for protect. Maybe that and the AEM-7 could MU.Next question is what will they do once all the ACS Sprinters are here and the AEM-7's are gone. (Terrapin is just a pest wandering through). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 30 20:19:35 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jul 30 18:07:45 2014. Unless I'm wrong, that's the ex NJT comet set... |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 30 22:01:15 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 30 20:19:35 2014. two ?? both 3th and last picture have center door cars. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Jul 30 22:41:36 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 17:54:24 2014. What massive cost overruns? The ones Chrisco claimed yet the GAO stated were entirely figments of his imagination? Tell us again how you're more qualified to make pronouncements on this matter than the GAO.Meanwhile, why aren't you getting your choo-choo to Scranton? After all, you repeatedly claimed all we had to do was kill ARC and we'd get service on the MOM, West Shore, Cutoff, West Trenton, and every other line the foamers had their hearts set on. Well ARC is dead and where are all these routes we were supposed to build. Oh right, the money went to the Pulaski. Chump. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Jul 30 22:50:03 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 20:06:59 2014. Take the dozen AEM7ACs that were in the best shape, cut down half of those into slugs, and make the other half power those slugs. |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Jul 31 01:45:33 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:40:22 2014. MU's -have you ever found a technical explanation of whether it is the loco/MU concept or just the trucks/controls?ALP44/AEM7 weight -101 short tons is our ton, 2000 lbs. So the loco weight is 202,000 lbs, 2% over an ALP46 and within 1/2% of an ALP46A. Starting TE -TE specs are to do with loco weight, any current limits in the propulsion system and suspension/control methods. For 40 years diesels and the AEM7/ALP44 were uniformly rated and compared on 25% adhesion. The ALP46/46A was rated on 35% adhesion and some newer diesels are rated even higher. But the rails and dry weather haven't changed and I doubt that the wheels have become rubberized so why is the adhesion better? Because Bombardier thinks their better controls will let the engineer approach slipping more closely and they can demonstrate that in service. Having developed such controls they can be applied to any new loco or MU and one will see the same improvement. By way of comparison one of the arguments for 3 cylinder steam locomotives was that as the sum of cylinder thrusts is more uniform the loco can approach slipping more closely than a 2 cylinder engine whose thrust pulsates from 50 to 100% over each axle revolution. Its limiting TE is going to be much lower. Diesels/electrics don't have cyclic power in their motors but different control methods can introduce different ranges of pulsations while dealing with slipping and thus end up with the different useful ratings we see. Maybe the makers should be required to demonstrate TE performance, I venture that gently easing up to slipping the wheels would show the actual adhesion the trucks and controls can provide. More significantly I think it would vary widely from the arbitrary adhesion used in the specs. Because of guarantees the arbitrary spec adhesion is likely always lower than reality, but it will still vary with trucks and control methods Bill |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Jul 31 04:13:00 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:03:30 2014. IAWTP!.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 09:27:18 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 30 17:41:29 2014. WADL! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 09:27:37 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Jul 30 16:47:11 2014. Yes, you should!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 09:29:55 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:03:30 2014. Wrong. It was entirely on the subject matter.Name all the people who don't like me as well as all the people who do like me. I call BS on your ridiculous claim. You're just butthurt because you are often wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 10:16:03 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 30 19:19:21 2014. LOL! MUs don't struggle because they have more drive wheels spread out over a larger area so there's less of a chance that a significant number of drive wheels will be on slimy leaf residue. The ALPs have much fewer drive wheels and thus a much greater chance of having problems. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 10:17:08 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chud1 on Thu Jul 31 04:13:00 2014. You're wrong. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 12:52:48 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 30 17:41:29 2014. He has NO WAYS, and NO SKILLS or photographic ability. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 13:12:48 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 09:27:37 2014. Sorry, kid!!! My skills hold their own. I needn't be like anyone else, I'm a person and photographer all my own, all myself.How does it feel to know my cell phone photography exceeds anything and everything you with your DSLR is capable of??? And why haven't you shown anything on here since I chickened you out from my photo challenge??? I mean I found it comical how you necroposted one of your 3 year old disastrous showings, the very one to which I, and many others believe, shows you to be nothing more than a public perv with a camera. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 14:23:58 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 13:12:48 2014. You could learn a lot from him! It's also quite obvious that you are extremely envious of me. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 15:16:07 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 14:23:58 2014. It's also quite obvious that you are extremely envious of me.Proof???? Because it is painfully and TRUTHFULLY obvious that not only are you jealous as well as envious of me and others, but also TRUTHFULLY and painfully obvious you are quite delusional!! You can't help it, and I forgive you for that!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 15:29:01 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 14:23:58 2014. And why haven't you shown anything on here since I chickened you out from my photo challenge???I await your answer to this, and your presentations of the proofs of all baseless claims and statements you have made about me in the past, up to and including the latest of your delusional and even more egregious claims that anyone here, especially me, are envious in any way of you!! Now THIS will all be rich!!!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 15:39:02 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 09:10:24 2014. While running EMUs is fun, nothing and I do mean NOTHING beats a nice Bomb train (aka Comet train) on a commuter run!! Still can give a ol' school railroading feel, especially at low level platforms (to which I wonder how much SEPTA has?)Great shots and catches!! :-) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 31 16:14:52 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 15:39:02 2014. SEPTA has lots of low platforms. Aside from the ones at 30th Street Station, Suburban Station and a few others, it's very likely that the entire system was high platform—kinda like the NY Central and New Haven commuter lines before the MTA and Connecticut DOT appeared. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 16:22:02 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 31 16:14:52 2014. I only wish MNR had as many!! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 31 17:41:25 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 09:29:55 2014. There have been entire discussion threads with your name within the title despising you. You should thank me I did not participate in that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 31 17:43:38 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 31 10:16:03 2014. Well duh, I didn't know that. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 17:59:06 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 31 17:41:25 2014. You should have. Sometimes it is fun to tease and razz the little panty waste!!! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 31 18:22:42 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 17:59:06 2014. I don't like to bully people, even when they deserve it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 31 20:31:09 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 30 22:01:15 2014. ... He is talking about "next to last" picture:
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Jul 31 20:46:19 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 09:10:24 2014. saw one todayJust came back from philly |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 1 07:35:46 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 12:52:48 2014. WATMP!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 1 07:36:59 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 15:16:07 2014. The proff is all around us. Look at your posts. The deep envy penetrates the small and big cracks in your psyche. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 1 07:37:49 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jul 31 15:29:01 2014. Huh? That's not my claim, it's your claim. The birder of proff is in you, not me. So go for it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 1 07:38:38 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 1 07:37:49 2014. * burden |
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