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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Jul 29 12:47:41 2014, in response to Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:22:57 2014. How about that. Can't help but think of the much-needed ARC tunnel project, that 'ol dude in Trenton killed. |
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Posted by Jace on Tue Jul 29 13:27:13 2014, in response to Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:22:57 2014. You'd think with protect engines stationed at Penn that they'd be able to pull a dead train out of the east end of the tube in less than one hour and without having to back three trains out to NJ. Even at around 10 am it was still single track with 15 eastbounds stacked up between the west portal and Newark. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 14:13:03 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Jace on Tue Jul 29 13:27:13 2014. I agree. My westbound Acela was stuck in NYP because of this mess and we finally departed over 30 minutes late. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 29 17:36:13 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Jace on Tue Jul 29 13:27:13 2014. I believe that the protect engine is now kept at Jamaica.ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 17:47:05 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jul 29 12:47:41 2014. You can think about it all you want; fact is it was never designed to relieve congestion at NYP. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 29 17:49:11 2014, in response to Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:22:57 2014. Arrow III or push/pull? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 29 17:54:24 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jul 29 12:47:41 2014. You can think about it all you want; it would never have been open until maybe 2040 and would have been useless in this regard too. Never mind the massive cost overruns. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 29 17:59:53 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jul 29 17:36:13 2014. The protect engine is kept in NYP, its usually a AEM7 and a Amtrak DM. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:43:07 2014, in response to Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:22:57 2014. Such is life when you run loco-hauled trains with a single point of failure rather than MU's like everyone else. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:44:18 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 29 17:59:53 2014. The AEM7 had a bitch of a time hauling the MLV's, plus the dead ALP in. They had to back into the tunnel off the steepest part of the grade to get a running start. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 19:34:39 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:44:18 2014. Link? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 19:36:06 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:43:07 2014. They do run MUs....And everyone else does not run MUs..... |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:10:06 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 19:34:39 2014. If you expect media link elaborating on MLV's and AEM7's and their weight and tractive effort, you're nuts.From a friend I know "Here’s a comment from a well-placed source. Tried to drag it in with an AEM-7 that was in standby service. A loaded train of multi-level cars (1,000 riders) equates to almost 100 tons of flesh plus the weight of the train itself. It was more weight than the AEM-7 could start on the grade. Had to back into the tunnel to get a running start." |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:11:59 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 19:36:06 2014. 160 Arrow remaining is not a great percentage of their fleet.Every other electric commuter railroad except MARC in the NE and Midwest runs mostly or entirely MU's. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:35:45 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:10:06 2014. Ok, so it is third-hand information. You could have said that in the beginning instead of posting it as fact. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:37:06 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:35:45 2014. Are you the moderator ? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:38:49 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:11:59 2014. Maybe that's what you meant but it's not what you wrote. I would suggest being more precise when you write. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:39:55 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 20:38:49 2014. Again, you are not my boss. Now go away. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 20:40:14 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:10:06 2014. Easy solution - have the 100 tons of flesh get out and push. :-) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:42:36 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 20:40:14 2014. Too busy with their Smart phones |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 29 21:05:20 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 20:40:14 2014. You took the words right out of my mouth.:) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 21:19:37 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 29 21:05:20 2014. They piss me off every day preparing to get off the train in Newark.They love to park themselves on the steps of the MLV's, blocking the aisles when there is ample room in the outer ends of the car, but have one hand on their phone, ears stuffed with plugs, the other on their bag, and they are just one lurch away from going head over ass and getting a concussion falling off the steps. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 29 22:02:25 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:43:07 2014. I've heard that Amtrak does not like the MU's on their territory because of the amount of pantographs compared to the one pantograph on the push pull equipment. They prefer less pantographs so there would be less wear and tear on the catenary wires... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:30:35 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:37:06 2014. Some say I am. But what difference does it make? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:33:19 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:39:55 2014. Nope, not going away. You made the post on a public forum and I responded. We're having a discussion. If you can't stand the discussion then don't participate. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:40:15 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 29 22:02:25 2014. pwn3d |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Jul 29 23:44:05 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 14:13:03 2014. Hat-induced superiority complex. Check it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 00:21:48 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by rkba on Tue Jul 29 23:44:05 2014. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Come on. I dare you. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Jul 30 00:35:52 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 00:21:48 2014. Deflection is not needed. This is about your emotional issues. |
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Posted by The ORION Kid on Wed Jul 30 01:04:03 2014, in response to Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 29 11:22:57 2014. My ride back to the city on NJT a little later in the morning was pretty slow through the tunnel but nothing that bad. They were making announcements about it in the stations though. |
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Posted by The ORION Kid on Wed Jul 30 01:06:37 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 29 22:02:25 2014. Metro North is mostly MU...but I think they own that portion of the tracks? (from westchester to NH along the NH line) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Jul 30 01:13:23 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 29 21:05:20 2014. We could have sent in a team of 100 oxen.=-w= |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:29:07 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 29 22:02:25 2014. Maybe if they would replace the catenary wires when they're supposed to, it would not be such a problem. SEPTA's still all-MU, so they're going to have to put up with that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:30:09 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by The ORION Kid on Wed Jul 30 01:06:37 2014. Yes they do, and the Connecticut DOT owns it from the NY/CT border to New Haven. Not to mention that both entities have replaced their catenary wires. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:30:59 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:43:07 2014. Limping MUs are no fun either. Ask the hoggers. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:32:02 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 20:11:59 2014. You forgot about MBTA. Although they don't use the electric wires that Amtrak erected. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:32:59 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 29 20:40:14 2014. That sure ain't legal! |
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Posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 30 05:15:10 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:30:59 2014. None of the starting difficulty is to do with loco hauled vs MU, nor with catenary, nor with what other cities do. New York is probably the only operation with substantial 2 % grades, both rivers too and at the traffic choke point. Roaring along the flat main at speed will be easy, it is getting halted on that grade that is always going to be the dicey propulsion capacity issue. Tuesday's whole rescue problem is to do with that exceptional grade.If a 10 car train is already at loco capacity then the dead loco is going to effectively add 1.25-1.5 more cars' weight making rescue difficult. Likewise if one MU out of 10 fails the rest are also going to have to find 11% more adhesion to restart. About the same problem in both cases. Our range of loco models won't make a difference either. AEM-7's, ALP-44's and ALP-46's are all about 100 tons on drivers. What traction they can get on a given day depends more on rail conditions than on the maker's opinion of what adhesion factor he can put into his tractive effort rating. Bill |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jul 30 06:33:21 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:29:07 2014. Of course, but Amtrak claims they don't have the money to do that kind of maintenance. And as far as the SEPTA equipment, they run much shorter trains (less pantographs) and run less often... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 07:29:46 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by rkba on Wed Jul 30 00:35:52 2014. I knew you were too chicken. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 07:36:03 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 30 05:15:10 2014. Joe V got pwn3d!!! |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 30 08:07:36 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Jul 29 22:02:25 2014. I've heard that Amtrak does not like the MU's on their territory because of the amount of pantographs compared to the one pantograph on the push pull equipment. They prefer less pantographs so there would be less wear and tear on the catenary wires...Obviously, Amtrak never heard of MP-54's. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 09:10:24 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 30 03:29:07 2014. SEPTA's still all-MU...Except for their eight push-pulls.        
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 30 09:56:16 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by chuchubob on Wed Jul 30 09:10:24 2014. Grrrrreat as always. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jul 30 10:51:24 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 07:29:46 2014. I thought you are cock? |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Jul 30 11:14:52 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 07:29:46 2014. See, the complex strikes again. I suggest moving up a few sizes. It's squeezing your brain. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Jul 30 11:16:24 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Jul 30 10:51:24 2014. He does suffer from envy, that's true. Other posters have pointed it out as well.Quite sad. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 30 12:12:10 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 30 09:56:16 2014. chuchubob has great photos and good information when people need it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 30 13:46:50 2014, in response to Re: Disabled New Jersey Transit train pulled into Penn Station, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 30 12:12:10 2014. And even when they don't need it or don't know they need it! |
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