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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 27 01:06:55 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jul 26 19:39:59 2014. Exactly! Much different today than 20 years ago when service on weekends was cut back. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 27 01:39:55 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jul 26 15:34:29 2014. Obviously, many of them were damaged by Sandy, but NOWHERE NEAR as bad as Montauge. The Montauge tunnel (and "new" South Ferry station) clearly took the worst of it. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jul 27 03:01:52 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jul 27 01:39:55 2014. Again, in previous announcements the MTA has said that they will need to work on some of the subway tunnels that were damaged by the storm, with the R-train Montague Street, and the G-train tunnels to be the first two tunnels to work on. The details for the other tunnels was to be arranged later. At the time of the storm, the MTA has a limited number of pump trains to help with the tunnels, and decisions had to be made with their limited resources given the nature of the many problem areas. The MTA has repeatedly talked about the damage that exposure to salt-water does to electronic and mechanical components, and the increasing failures of such exposed equipment.My only point was that in addition to the opening of the Fulton Transit Center, that there could be other considerations for the extending the service provided to the J-trains Fulton Street and Broad Street subway stations. Mike |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 27 03:06:18 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jul 27 03:01:52 2014. Salt water and metals of ANY kind, particularly electricals, means a slow and agonizing death for them. And in many cases, almost instant death. Salt water is both highly corrosive and VERY conductive. And even when it dries out, the slightest bit of humidity in the air begins the destructive process all over again as though things had freshly flooded.In all sincerity, it's nothing short of amazing that the destruction wasn't far worse already. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jul 27 03:09:50 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jul 26 19:03:56 2014. Purely just on a side note the re-opening of the Broad Street station might deprive the MTA of that wonderful location for filming subway scenes. The recent movie Begin Again (2014) with Mark Ruffalo, Keira Knightley and Adam Levine has a few scenes inside the Broad Street subway station, and on the J-train. It is a pleasant movie.Mike |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Jul 27 05:39:28 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 26 16:07:59 2014. I suspect that the daily passenger count for the Harlem River Lift Bridge is also incorrect. Hard to see how it would be nearly 3 times that of the LIRR tunnels |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 27 10:59:05 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 26 16:34:44 2014. Not to mention a lack of riders and a usable tunnel. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Jul 27 11:34:46 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 27 10:59:05 2014. I think people forget that the Wall St. area has no where near the number of jobs they used to have. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 27 14:14:59 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 26 07:33:16 2014. That's surely it. So why is it that, with all the work being done at Fulton St., there will continue to be no connection between the northbound and southbound J/Z platforms (and thus between the 2/3 and 4/5 platforms) other than by way of the A/C platform? Didn't there used to be a stairway directly connecting the two BMT platforms (which are confusingly positioned with the N/B side west of the S/B)? Why was it removed? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 27 14:31:46 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 26 09:19:13 2014. Did security around the Stock Exchange have anything to do with why Broad St. has been closed on weekends? Has pedestrian access to the area in front of the exchange (which is closed to vehicles) been maintained 24/7, or was there a period when it was closed off altogether on weekends? |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Sun Jul 27 14:37:34 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jul 25 23:33:29 2014. A sizable amount actually. Think about all the people coming from Williamsburg and points beyond who need the 2/3, 4/5, and A/C. It would be better if they didn't have to make a second transfer. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 15:49:29 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jul 26 11:48:30 2014. If either IRT is knocked out weekends to Brooklyn, J to Prospect Park directly from Jamaica could be advantageous. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by rockparklocal on Sat Jul 26 13:27:53 2014. No market beyond perhaps 5 rush hour specials |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 27 19:03:07 2014, in response to Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 18:53:34 2014. For onde the Three Stooges Division isn't being treated like a second-class citizen. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jul 27 19:50:43 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 27 19:03:07 2014. Not any more. M has hit the big time..... The L has been for a few years... Ironically....the J had been the best treated of the 3 especially by 1988 with the opening of Archer....but the L and M has now reversed that. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Jul 27 23:59:22 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 27 14:14:59 2014. There used to be a stairway, but it was very long with many blind turns and had to cross under the lower level track before coming up the other side because of the way the platforms are arranged. I'm sure it was closed because of security concerns. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jul 28 00:05:07 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 27 03:06:18 2014. Absolutely:They likely will have to do a LOT more work over the next few years, but NOTHING like Montague and Greenpoint. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jul 28 00:13:51 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 26 16:07:59 2014. Did you look at the map on the page? They are referring to the MNR bridge at 135th, not the one at 225th used by the 1.1955:  1960: 
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 01:11:29 2014, in response to Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 25 18:53:34 2014. Trains should relay in the station to save time.There's no reason to go into the relay track on weekends. |
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Posted by B1bus on Mon Jul 28 01:31:30 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 26 07:34:35 2014. No, not needed. HEET. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 08:49:29 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by B1bus on Mon Jul 28 01:31:30 2014. HEET HEET HOORAY!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 08:50:32 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 01:11:29 2014. Have you informed Operations Planning of this bombshell? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 10:32:43 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 08:50:32 2014. Thanks for trolling me.Honestly I still can't figure out why they don't relay in the station. Saves time and money. They probably just like fucking with the crew, making them go in the hole for no reason. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Jul 28 11:18:26 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 27 15:53:11 2014. Agreed. Something like that, but maybe more like 6-8 special J's each rush hour period. The J wouldn't be needed in southern Brooklyn any other time. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Jul 28 11:25:37 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Jul 27 11:34:46 2014. Maybe not, but the Brooklyn IRT lines do get pretty crowded during the rush. Lower Manhattan has more residents living there and downtown Brooklyn is becoming more of a commuter and residential destination in its own right. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 11:54:07 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Jul 28 11:18:26 2014. The J extended to South Brooklyn would not be any more patronized than the poorly ridden old M train used to be to Bay Parkway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 11:56:22 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 11:54:07 2014. The Nassau line is simply not a destination most people want or need. From either direction. That's why the M is doing much better than it used to do when it used the Nassau line. The J unfortunately is stuck there, as where else would it go, but people from South Brooklyn wouldn't use the J any more than they used the M back then.The only hope for a revived Nassau line, or a useful use of the Broad St to Montague tunnel connection, is if the Second Ave subway was to connect to it, and use the line as it's Southern Manhattan routing, and connection to Brooklyn. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Jul 28 12:21:02 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 26 09:22:06 2014. The opportunity to have done it that way was there four years ago, but they chose to reroute the M to 6th Ave. And since the current M service is more popular than the old one was, they can't change it now. |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Jul 28 12:21:04 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 10:32:43 2014. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Broad Street Station on two levels, so that the trains have to relay after the station, or wrong rail until the first set of switches prior to the station? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Jul 28 12:24:22 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by jabrams on Mon Jul 28 12:21:04 2014. Fulton St is on two levels. Both of Broad's platforms are on the same level and the relay tracks are just south of the station. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 28 12:41:44 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by jabrams on Mon Jul 28 12:21:04 2014. There is not a single subway terminal station in NYC that consists of two levels, where arriving trains dis-embark passengers on one level, the train moves to a relay position beyond the station platforms, and returns to the station on another separate level to take on new passengers.Such a terminal reminds of the Newark Terminal for the PATH trains. Mike |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 28 12:45:59 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 28 12:41:44 2014. Aren't you forgetting Utica Ave. on the 4 line? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 12:55:41 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 11:56:22 2014. A Second Avenue line that uses Nassau Street would suffer the same problem: People coming from uptown wouldn't want to go to Nassau Street while people from Brooklyn would prefer other lines that get them to Midtown faster and in a more useful part of Midtown. Second Avenue is still mostly residential.Water Street is a more useful route. It is closer to more modern office buildings that will still be office buildings for some time. Many of the buildings in the traditional Wall Street core are being converted to residences. Also, being farther away from the other subway lines downtown, it has more to differentiate itself than Nassau. There is more of an incentive for people along Third Avenue (people who are equidistant to the SAS and Lex) to ride the SAS to Water than the SAS to Nassau. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jul 28 14:34:09 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 10:32:43 2014. not to mention that the can't prpoperly clean and fumigate the train |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 28 15:22:55 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 01:11:29 2014. They supposedly already do that at Chambers, wouldn't be surprised if they did the same at Broad on the weekends. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 15:27:29 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 28 12:45:59 2014. what do you think, Bill From Maspeth, longtime T/O in the Eastern District? Shouldn't J's relay in the station at Broad on the weekend? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 28 15:41:28 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 15:27:29 2014. You would need a drop back crew at Broad since you could only use one pocket. The follower has to hold at Fulton. W/o a drop back crew on a 10 minute headway if you have a late train with the follower right behind you have a problem.I doubt if they would keep a drop back crew there and with just one pocket my gut feeling is to put them on the relay track. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 28 17:03:05 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 28 12:45:59 2014. I was thinking about every terminal that is at the "end Of the Line", and how each of the platforms and tracks are all on the same level. I completely forgot about the Utica Avenue station on the #4 line. Thank you for noticing the mistake.Also that at same moment, the only terminal I could think was the Newark Terminal for the end of the line of the PATH system. On another note, the Broad Street has two relay tracks south of the station, so two trains could be temporarily stored there, while an incoming train is at the platform. Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 28 18:17:43 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 12:55:41 2014. How so? Nassau is closer to Water street than any other east side line. Thus SAS on Nassau would still be the line of choice for Water St. workers. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 28 18:30:29 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 28 15:41:28 2014. The follower has to hold at Fulton only if the road blows up.Turn a train at Chambers if it's that bad. I've seen the road blow up and the T/D turn a train in the station at Broad for n/b service because it's so much faster than cleaning out, crawling into hole, making safety stops, walking through train instead of along platform. In the station is better overall. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 28 21:39:58 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 11:56:22 2014. J service needs to be connected directly to the PHASE 3 SAS line for uptown service.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 28 21:53:14 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 28 12:41:44 2014. Utica avenue IRT doesn't count? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 28 21:59:01 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 28 21:53:14 2014. As I said in a previous message:I was thinking about every terminal that is at the "end Of the Line", and how each of the platforms and tracks are all on the same level. I completely forgot about the Utica Avenue station on the #4 line. Thank you for noticing the mistake. Also that at same moment, the only terminal I could think was the Newark Terminal for the end of the line of the PATH system. Mike |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 22:00:24 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 28 21:53:14 2014. Already mentioned....Aren't you forgetting Utica Ave. on the 4 line? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 28 22:00:44 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 28 21:39:58 2014. Says who? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Jul 29 16:47:44 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 28 12:55:41 2014. Why wouldn't people coming from uptown want to go to Nassau St? The Nassau St subway is closer than any other to Water St, except for the 2 and 3 on William St. But you would only take the 2 or 3 if you're coming from the Upper West Side or Central Harlem/Bronx. East Side residents bound for Water St don't have any reason to take the 2 or 3 now and would still have no reason to do so if the T runs via Nassau as opposed to Water. And why would they continue to take the 4 or 5 if the T running via Nassau is closer to Water St than the 4 and 5 are?Brooklyn residents who want Midtown may stick with their current commutes. But if the SAS is built as planned - via Water St with a southern terminal at Hanover Sq - they'll have to do that anyway. Why? Because the Water St routing has the T dead-ending at Hanover Sq, too far away for a useful transfer to the 2 and 3 at Wall & William Sts. It will also not have any transfer to the A and C, because they will be way too far away at Fulton St & Broadway. And it will be too far away from the 4, 5 and R trains at Bowling Green and Whitehall St. At the very least, the Nassau routing allows Brooklyn riders bound for Lower Manhattan an alternative to the other routes. And it offers transfers to every line serving Lower Manhattan except the E and 1. And it would put Lower Manhattan-bound East side riders closer to the office buildings on and near Water St than the 4 and 5 currently do. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 29 18:57:18 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 28 11:56:22 2014. I would think Nassau Street would be more marketable than Trinity Place from South Brooklyn. People headed to midtown would change for a Bridge train anyway at Dekalb or Pacific Street since the Broadway Local is so damned slow. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 30 07:57:35 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 28 18:17:43 2014. Nassau is, but for Wall Street, the (2)/(3) station is actually the easternmost of those.What the SAS being connected to Nassau Street WOULD do is relieve pressure on the (4)/(5) between Atlantic Avenue and 125th Street. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 30 08:02:26 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Jul 29 16:47:44 2014. Absolutely, and why I would be looking to do a Nassau connection.The Water Street part I would build if it also meant continuing to Brooklyn, most likely to connect to the Fulton Street (Brooklyn line) either through the current Transit Museum at Court Street OR the Hoyt-Schermhorn station using the as-present unused "local" track. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 30 11:34:46 2014, in response to Re: Coming soon: Weekend (J) train service extension to Broad Street, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 30 08:02:26 2014. See, I'm not against building SAS under Water St. I just think the Water St portion should be deferred to a future, "post-Phase 4" time and the SAS should be connected to the Nassau St line north of the Chambers St station (roughly at the intersection of Centre and Worth streets). This would allow the SAS to serve more than just Manhattan and sooner. |
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