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Posted by lance52 on Tue Nov 12 11:21:54 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 11 20:03:46 2013. Add Times Square to that list. It seems that new Rapid-Fire Charlie does all of the transfer announcements with the exception of 61 St and 74 St. |
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Posted by lance52 on Tue Nov 12 11:28:16 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 08:30:21 2013. A lot of her recordings in general have been removed. From what I've seen and heard so far, most of the original destination recordings were redone by Kathleen. The "the next [and last] stop", "this is" parts of the station announcements come from Catherine's (G) and (V) recordings and most of the transfers are now done by Charlie. So far, the only transfer I've heard from Annie Bergen is to the <7>. |
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Posted by mrw on Tue Nov 12 11:37:41 2013, in response to R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 9 13:48:09 2013. How are trains transferred to/from the Flushing line? I'm guessing those trains that are being transferred from the Pelham take a rather circuitous route. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 12 11:55:07 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Nov 11 00:39:50 2013. So much easier to use #11 for the express...wayne |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 12 11:57:07 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 12 11:55:07 2013. No more red and green LEDs. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 13:20:58 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by mrw on Tue Nov 12 11:37:41 2013. Yeah… From Westchester Yard via the 6 to 86th Street, then via the 4 to Concourse Yard. From there via the D to 135th Street, or as far south as 34th Street, then via the A to 207th Street Yard. Then via truck to Yonkers.From Yonkers via truck to 207th Street Yard, then via the A and D to Coney Island. Some sets are transferred to East 180th Street Yard for testing on the Dyre Line, others stay at Coney for Sea Beach testing. Coney to E180: via D to Concourse, 4 to 86th or 138/Concourse, 5 to E 180 Yard. From Coney to Corona: via N to Queensboro Plaza, then via 7 to Corona. |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Nov 12 13:34:59 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 13:20:58 2013. That is mostly right, but the 7200's came back from Yonkers by way of 239th St Yard.-Stef |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Nov 12 14:21:27 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 13:20:58 2013. thats a long trip.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 14:55:56 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 12 11:55:07 2013. Wayne, I agree using 11 for express would be easier...but when the entire line is r188. Doing it sooner would require lot of rollsign changing between runs. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Nov 12 15:00:01 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Nov 12 11:55:07 2013. Aren't the digital signs capable of displaying only single digits?Why not use 8 or 9? |
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Posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 15:01:46 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 11 08:35:14 2013. Having Express, local,EXP,LCL on the side NTT signs may be helpful but keep in mind the 7 runs thru the most diverse population of NYC and there are many that can't read English. The easy to distinguish green circle and red diamond was useful and won't be easy to replace. Heck at night driving across the Queensboro bridge I can tell if a 7 is express or local. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 12 15:29:47 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 14:55:56 2013. They used to manage that with <--LOCAL/EXPRESS-->But the R62's lack route names. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 12 15:39:53 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 15:01:46 2013. Oriental population on the Ravenswood Branch is one reason why CTA went with color names over arabic letters.Can the Red LED be made to change to Green, White or Yellow on command ? |
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Posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 17:07:19 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 12 15:39:53 2013. Joe V said "Oriental population on the Ravenswood Branch is one reason why CTA went with color names over arabic letters.Can the Red LED be made to change to Green, White or Yellow on command ? " I doubt that's the reason and it's politically incorrect to call them orientals. Asian is the appropriate term. In the case of CTA colors make more sense because there is not too much overlap of lines like here in NYC and easier to distinguish on a map than using letters. Same goes for WMATA. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 12 17:21:53 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by gbs on Sun Nov 10 22:55:51 2013. Why were operators told to leave the circle on the front signs of the R-62As? |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Nov 12 18:58:46 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 11 14:54:07 2013. 8-) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 19:04:42 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by lance52 on Tue Nov 12 11:28:16 2013. Oh, so at least something was kept. I'm unsure why they suddenly decided to change the destination announcements. The R-188 converted set with an older announcement version had kept Annie's destinations. Maybe when they created the new announcement program with the Javits extension, they had Kathleen rerecord all of them.Which is odd, because in the older R-188 announcement program, I could swear that Annie created a new recording for trains terminating at Mets - Willets Point. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 19:06:26 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by lance52 on Tue Nov 12 11:21:54 2013. Does it sound like he created fresh transfers from scratch, or they spliced together his old files, but simply cut them closer together? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 19:06:52 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 11 22:22:09 2013. If the voices on the R188s start arguing with each other, I'll let you know. 8-) |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 19:12:49 2013, in response to R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Nov 9 13:48:09 2013. I also noticed this photo of the strip map on Instagram. It appears the strip maps already have the Javits Center stop on them, but they're covered. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 19:24:07 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Nilet on Mon Nov 11 16:38:36 2013. Manhattan expresses leave Main Street 06:21-09:55Queens expresses leave Times Square 14:54-21:38 |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 12 19:36:58 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 17:07:19 2013. Asian also includes Indian - true ?Poor comprehension of Arabic letters was a reason as stated by a few of the guys on a Chicago chat board. Not making it up -would not know enough to. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 19:59:18 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 19:12:49 2013. Yes, it's cleverly covered with a second black sticker that mimics the end of the purple route line. |
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Posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 21:59:28 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 12 19:36:58 2013. Joe V said"Asian also includes Indian - true ?Poor comprehension of Arabic letters was a reason as stated by a few of the guys on a Chicago chat board. Not making it up -would not know enough to." just cause it's on the internet doesn't make it true. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oriental Asians make up 5% of Chicago population. As influential as residents of the upscale area of Ravenswood may be, it's silly to assume Asians or any other race can't read Arabic lettering though immigrants may have trouble reading words on the R188 which is what this thread is about. I doubt anyone reads the destinations on R62a now and just looks for a diamond or circle during rush periods. |
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Posted by CurAke79 on Tue Nov 12 22:28:58 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by lance52 on Mon Nov 11 08:58:18 2013. Thank you Lance! |
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Posted by CurAke79 on Tue Nov 12 22:31:23 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 11 19:14:22 2013. Oh I know about Kathleen and Catherine lol.....that Q48 announcement(s) sounds like its spliced together |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 13 01:56:06 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 19:24:07 2013. Thanks. I'll try to get out there one of these days. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Nov 13 02:20:48 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 19:06:26 2013. G1Ravage any word on when the 7211-7220/7899 set will enter service? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 13 09:00:04 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by snarf368 on Tue Nov 12 21:59:28 2013. Diamonds and Circles are not 100% accurate in their settings.Now get back to my original question: can the Red LED be changed to selectively change colors ? |
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Posted by lance52 on Wed Nov 13 10:14:31 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 19:06:26 2013. They're probably from the original recordings from way back when, just without as much space between the letters/numbers as before. At least that's how it sounds to my ears. It makes the transfer announcements sound less robotic in my opinion and is a much better alternative than what Transit did for the addition of the M34 Select. |
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Posted by lance52 on Wed Nov 13 10:23:21 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 19:04:42 2013. Which is odd, because in the older R-188 announcement program, I could swear that Annie created a new recording for trains terminating at Mets - Willets Point.She did. At least if this still in the AAS. Courtesy: MrRailFanBVE I will say this regarding the announcements on the 7-line: I haven't heard such a hodgepodge of different voices since the original 5-line recordings. I thought those were bad, but this takes the cake. If they were able to get both Kathleen and Catherine to record new destinations and transfers respectively, surely they could've gotten one of them to re-record the station announcements. Either that or they could've simply left the original recordings alone. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things, but it really sounds unprofessional. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 13 10:27:29 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 12 19:12:49 2013. I was just wondering: why did the R188 upgrade not include the installation of the FIND displays, which are far more flexible than these strip maps? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 13 10:30:22 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by chud1 on Tue Nov 12 14:21:27 2013. If the Steinway tubes were a bit wider, there'd be no reason to actually operate the Flushing line as an IRT one. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 13 11:26:28 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 13 10:27:29 2013. The R188s aren't going anywhere outside the Flushing line. FINDs would be overkill.The R142s on the mainline should have FINDs installed on them. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Nov 13 12:59:14 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 13 09:00:04 2013. Unless they made an upgrade on the R188s, no. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Nov 13 13:00:53 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by lance52 on Wed Nov 13 10:23:21 2013. Why did they go with multiple voices to begin with? It would be much better if they just had a single voice for all lines. It would sound much better than the mish-mash we have now. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 13 14:30:02 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by lance52 on Wed Nov 13 10:23:21 2013. My personal favorite was the southbound 5 at 138th Street:Melissa: This is a Manhattan-bound 5 train. Diane: The next stop is Jessica: 125th Street. Charlie: Stand clear of the closing doors, please. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 13 14:34:31 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 12 19:06:26 2013. Old files cut closer. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 13 14:36:22 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Nov 13 12:59:14 2013. That's a no, then. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 13 15:03:06 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Nov 11 22:23:32 2013. Incidentally, if you're ever in a car with a 4 train strip map saying the train will be making every other stop from Pennsylvania Avenue to Yankee Stadium, then no other stops until Woodlawn, that's when you'll know you're actually on a 7 local train. If it says it stops at Pennsylvania, Rockaway, and Franklin Avenues, then Brooklyn Bridge and 51st Street, then every other stop to Yankee Stadium, then 183rd Street, with no other stops beyond that, there's your 7 express. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 19:23:18 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Nov 13 02:20:48 2013. That set is having problems. 7216-7220 was transferred from Corona Yard to Pitkin Yard yesterday. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 19:24:41 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 13 10:27:29 2013. These cars will never be leaving the Flushing Line. What flexibility will they need? |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Nov 13 19:31:15 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 19:23:18 2013. To Pitkin? For what? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Nov 13 19:41:15 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Nov 13 19:31:15 2013. I dunno. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 14 10:07:46 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 12 19:36:58 2013. Arabic lettering? I can't read that either. The letters we use are generally called Latin letters. Arabic is written with what look like strange curlicues to me. Now the numbers we use are sometimes called "Arabic numerals", although that isn't too accurate either, as Arabic actually uses somewhat different forms for numbers, which most Westerners would not recognize. As for the substitution of "Asian" for "Oriental", it is an unfortunate case of "political correctness" which is hard to avoid. Asia is a big place, and "Asian" technically includes everyone from Arabs and Turks to Japanese and native Siberians. What used to be called "Orientals" - Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, and people of generally similar appearance - prefer to be called "Asians", but that excludes a lot of others from Asia whose appearance is quite different, the people of India being prominent among them. It is a case where we have lost a term that had a clear meaning and must now use vaguer terminology to avoid offense, and that is quite unfortunate. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 14 10:14:09 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 14 10:07:46 2013. They are called East Asians. |
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Posted by Jace on Thu Nov 14 11:15:03 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 13 10:27:29 2013. Too expensive. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Nov 14 13:45:36 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 13 11:26:28 2013. +1 |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 14 14:16:44 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 13 11:26:28 2013. But FIND allows for other important messages to be programed doesn't it?ALso wouldn't it be helpful to be able to program service changes such as no 7 trains to Manhattan this weekend? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Nov 14 14:21:16 2013, in response to Re: R-188 now in service, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 13 10:27:29 2013. I was wondering why they do not have pitted stainless steel window masks and end walls similar to the R-160's The original R-160A 7 R-160B did not have these upgrades but every car since did. They are scratch & gouge resistent but unfortunately, acid is a problem. I saw a R-160 on the M that appeared to have the front stainless steel surface buffed out no doubt due to acid vandalism. |
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