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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 8 21:08:42 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 21:06:08 2013. Like I said, definitely something interesting. There ARE accounts of a station existing there but nothing I could find from any of the official records. I've always been a sucker for a good mystery. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 8 22:26:19 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 8 21:08:42 2013. And definitely sick to death of theses carpetbagger,johnny come lately armchair know it all's.if the man can provide information..then that may just answer the question i asked from the very beginning without the clutter claptrap from the glee club.. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 22:36:18 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 21:06:08 2013. No he doesn't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 8 22:52:07 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 8 22:26:19 2013. I found it an interesting hunt ... most turn up more results than this one did, so I'm grateful for the opportunity to do some digging and also glad to see there's possibly more to it.As to the usual suspects, well ... that's what keeps this place interesting now that the rustbirds are gone. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 09:05:39 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 8 21:08:42 2013. There are no accounts of a station existing there. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Nov 9 09:20:29 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 22:36:18 2013. ????????? what out knowing who I,m talking about how can you make such a stupid statement? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Nov 9 09:24:46 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Sat Nov 9 09:20:29 2013. correction,should read "without knowing" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 10:11:56 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Sat Nov 9 09:20:29 2013. It's not a stupid statement. Your post is an appeal to authority, except you haven't established your guy's authority.We've definitively established in this thread that the station never existed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 9 13:03:01 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 09:05:39 2013. Yeah, I found one back towards the front of this thread, source unknown. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 9 15:41:53 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 8 21:08:42 2013. Keep talking about Bailey Ave, kids, it will take your little minds off of 76th Street! |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:06:43 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 19:52:52 2013. I just received an email photo from an individual who reads subchat but does not post. The photo is of a temporary station at 230 and BROADWAY and the photo is looking southeast and appears to have been taken from the northwest corner of 230/Bway. Since I'm still a bit computer illiterate, I wasn't able to post the photo to subchat. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 16:08:12 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:06:43 2013. Are you sure it wasn't 221st and Broadway? There was a temporary station there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 16:08:40 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:06:43 2013. Also, you can forward it to someone else who can post it. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Nov 9 16:12:50 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:06:43 2013. Upload the picture hereCopy and paste provided html code into a subchat message |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:25:58 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 16:08:12 2013. It's definitely 231/Bway since you can see which way the curve goes and I'm familiar with the neighborhood because my uncle lived there. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Nov 9 16:34:23 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:06:43 2013. RANDY,IS IT NATE G. YOUR REFERING TO? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 9 18:49:05 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 9 15:41:53 2013. Now you've done it. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 9 18:52:36 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:06:43 2013. Go with DJ Hammers' solution ... save picture from email to desktop, go to site, send file from desktop, post url from imgur.com, profit. :) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 11 12:32:44 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Sat Nov 9 16:25:58 2013. So did you upload and/or forward the photo to anyone yet? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 11 13:58:41 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 16:08:12 2013. Are you sure it wasn't 221st and Broadway? There was a temporary station there.Based on the New York Times article on 226th Street's opening, it seems like it was commonplace to open a temporary wooden station as soon as the steel reached a location, rather than wait for the permanent station to be completed. It may very well be that the temporary 231st Street station was at 230th Street. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Nov 11 20:45:41 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 20:34:33 2013. so post it already! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 12 09:38:35 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 9 16:08:40 2013. 
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 12 09:52:59 2013, in response to 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 31 21:31:58 2013. I wonder if the new book, "The Routes Not Taken", will have anything on Bailey Ave? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 12 12:21:26 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 12 09:38:35 2013. Something's amiss here. If this station was the one we've been talking about, -- i.e., the terminus if the line -- then why do the tracks keep going after the platform? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 12 12:22:36 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 12 12:21:26 2013. Oh, never mind. I realize this is at Broadway, not Bailey. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Nov 12 12:31:51 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 12 12:22:36 2013. THE 242ST.ST STATION IS THE 230ST STATION.IT WAS MOVED THERE.I HAVE THE PHOTO&INFO ON 230ST,YES IT DID EXSIST.MY FRIEND ASKED ME NOT TO POST IT FOR A FEW DAYS SO THAT HE CAN CORRECT SOME MISTAKES IN THE TEXT,SO HANG ON & DON`T PESTER ME,YOU WON`T BE DISAPOINTED. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Nov 12 12:52:09 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 12 09:38:35 2013. WHOOOPS ON ME,THATS THE PHOTO MY FRIEND SENT ME.REMEMBER THATS A TEMP.STATON,NOT THE END OF THE LINE.SORRY I MISSED THIS POST THIS MORNING. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 12 12:57:33 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by tunnelrat on Tue Nov 12 12:52:09 2013. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1257726You said it was Baily Ave. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Nov 12 16:27:31 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 1 21:49:41 2013. From what I've read on this thread - and I haven't read it all - nobody mentioned the Moscotta Ave stop that appears on the 1904 IRT map Kevin showed us. Looks like it was about at the present 225 St stop. What happened to Moscotta Ave? Bialey Ave, at least, still exists. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Nov 12 16:28:38 2013, in response to 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 31 21:31:58 2013. Sorry, meant this here..From what I've read on this thread - and I haven't read it all - nobody mentioned the Moscotta Ave stop that appears on the 1904 IRT map Kevin showed us. Looks like it was about at the present 225 St stop. What happened to Moscotta Ave? Bialey Ave, at least, still exists. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 12 16:42:04 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Nov 12 16:28:38 2013. Might Moscotta Ave. simply be an old name for what is now 225th St? That would also make it the street that the "Free Bridge" was on when the Harlem River still followed its original course. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Nov 12 16:42:18 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Nov 12 16:28:38 2013. What happened to Moscotta Ave? Bialey Ave, at least, still exists.Muscota Street is West 225th Street east of Broadway. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 12 17:01:29 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 12 09:38:35 2013. Very interesting. The streetcar on the extreme right would seem to be coming from the area of Riverdale Ave., along 230 St., and the open cut just behind it would be the former route of the Hudson Line, some track remnants of which were visible in the U-Haul parking lot until not so long ago. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 12 17:12:43 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Nov 12 16:27:31 2013. Strangely, never knew it existed and I *lived* there. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 12 17:13:24 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Nov 12 16:42:18 2013. Thanks for that! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 12 17:32:34 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 12 17:01:29 2013. The open cut could also be Spuyten Duyvil Creek. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Tue Nov 12 17:50:30 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BROADWAY temporary station.., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 12 17:01:29 2013. Track remnants in the U-Haul parking lot have been tied by proff to belonging to Kingsbridge Railyard (now the site of the schools sprung in JFK High School's front yard). |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Nov 12 20:26:27 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Nov 12 16:27:31 2013. What happened to Moscotta Ave?It was and is the present 225 Street Station. It was originally called Muscoota Street when the subway opened and was re-named at some later date. Muscoota was an Indian name for the Harlem River. It means "river along the green sedge". Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 12 22:22:15 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 1 21:49:41 2013. I know that the book is rare, but does anyone, besides me, have a copy of, "A History of the New York City Subway System, Part 1 (The Manhattan Els and the IRT)? Page 30 says that a temporary station was opened on March 12th, 1906 at 221st St/Broadway on the northern tip of Manhattan.Now, go to page 33 to the "1907" section. The line was extended over the river to the current 225th Street station on Jan 14th, 1907, using the new Broadway Bridge. Service was extended to a TEMPORARY station at 230th St/Broadway, reusing the same structure that had been at 221st St. EXACT QUOTE- "It was decided not to run to Bailey Ave., but to continue to 242nd Street and Van Cortlandt Park". Tunnelrat, the station never existed at Bailey Ave. And it was never moved to 242nd street. Your friend is confusing the temporary station at 230th/Broadway with one that was NEVER built at Bailey Ave. The temporary station at 221st St/Broadway was dismantled and moved to 230th St/Broadway, not to 230th St/Bailey Ave. I hope this solves this mystery once and for all!!! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 12 22:39:52 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 12 22:22:15 2013. I forgot to note that service from the new new 225th St station was opened on 01/14/07. It was extended to the temporary station at 230th St/Broadway on 01/21/07. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Nov 13 11:21:08 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 12 22:39:52 2013. send me a private email& i,ll email you what was sent to me&post it for me. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Nov 13 11:33:14 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Wed Nov 13 11:21:08 2013. FYI:the mineola had her trucks scrapped out,not the interior.computer time is up,so i,ll see youse guys 2-morrow.oh yeah,the mineola DID run on lirr rails to various race tracks on long island,i,ve posted on this several times with proof. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 13 17:32:53 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 12 22:22:15 2013. Sounds like the answer! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 13 20:55:07 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 13 17:32:53 2013. Well ... looks like partial credit is due here at least ... there WAS a station at 230th after all. Just wasn't over on Bailey. :) |
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