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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 16:59:43 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 13:59:19 2013. Relax, bro ... I was coming around to your opinion in my own way. Aside from the new info (and photo!) that RIPTA posted today, the interesting part about the street railway was that the PSC had NOT hit up the Interborough for geological data which they most certainly would have had any construction actually occurred there.Be patient, bro ... I'm not stubborn. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 17:10:42 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 16:59:43 2013. I didn't say you were. I was making a very dry statement of facts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 17:12:41 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 17:10:42 2013. Just wanted to be sure, guy ... :) |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 18:41:52 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 16:42:31 2013. Why would the Put be on a curve there? Why wouldn't it be the mainline as I assume RIPTA implied? In what year was the mainline rerouted? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 18:50:21 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 18:41:52 2013. Don't know other than you can see that there was once a station there, and those apartment buildings follow Bailey Avenue. The main line ran along the water's edge similarly to how it does now. Back in the 1950's, those apartment buildings were about all there was at the time. Not also the big billboard on the top of one of the tenements which would be facing the Marble Hill stop. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 4 19:10:33 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 18:50:21 2013. At that time, there was an electrified branch of the NYC that ran to Yonkers and was parallel to the Put for a bit. I don't recall where it branched off though. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 19:12:55 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Mon Nov 4 19:10:33 2013. That was before MY time ... it would have had to have been there though, the Spuyten Duyvil yards didn't have any trackage north of 230th. But no mistaking those apartment buildings in the background of that photo along the Sedgewick ridge. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 4 19:19:29 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Mon Nov 4 19:10:33 2013. The Yonkers branch was a branch of the Put, not the NYC, and it branched off within Van Cortlandt Park, in the northern section. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 4 22:29:25 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 12:26:36 2013. Might the top photo be facing south?The caption says north and would be consistent with the rest of the series as they all appear to be facing up-station, to the north. But i that is the power plant at 207th, then obviously the caption is wrong. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 22:35:11 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 4 22:29:25 2013. The Bronx _is_ foreign territory to most. :) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 4 22:35:20 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Mon Nov 4 19:10:33 2013. There appears to have been a branch to Riverdale right at 230th. From nycsubway.org:
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 22:40:47 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 4 22:35:20 2013. That branch there was the original route of the Hudson line around the old boundary of the creek prior to it being filled in and realigned to its present route south of Marble Hill. But that's the Hudson River Railroad of the NY Central there as the old alignment. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Nov 5 02:44:34 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 4 22:29:25 2013. Broadway looking south from just north of 230 St curves to the right so the photo is probably looking south. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Nov 5 03:57:44 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 22:35:11 2013. not to me, born and raised in da bronx.chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 09:13:25 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 22:40:47 2013. That's what I'm taking about. That's on a curve. That could be what is in the photo and not the Put. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 09:21:59 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 4 22:29:25 2013. As Victor just wrote, I was basing it on the fact that the el would be curving to the left at that location if the photo was looking north. |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Tue Nov 5 09:28:00 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 1 21:49:41 2013. FYI, the Kingsbridge (230 St.) station of the NY Central's Putnam was in operation until the end of passenger service on Thirsday, May 29, 1958. I have original Putnam Division timetables to prove this. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 09:58:35 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by UTC Bus Roster on Tue Nov 5 09:28:00 2013. Yes but not the (shared) Kingsbridge station of the Hudson Line. The line was rerouted and a new station built at Marble Hill. That left only the Put stopping at the Kingsbridge station. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 10:01:25 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 1 21:49:41 2013. Maybe the IRT was more interested in connecting with the Hudson Line vs. The Put. So when the Hudson Line was rerouted, that allowed for the connection to be made at 225/Marble Hill. So then there was no longer a need to cozy up to the Kingsbridge station. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 13:58:52 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 4 19:19:29 2013. The Put was a division of the NYC. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 14:06:27 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 4 19:19:29 2013. The Put was a division of the NYC. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 14:47:13 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 18:41:52 2013. In fact, based on the wealth of information provided by Joseph Brennan's website, I don't see how this could be anything other than the newly rerouted NYC Hudson Line. That is, if this photo was actually taken anywhere near the area in question. Because it looks more to me to be showing a subway portal. Which would mean the caption is completely wrong. |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Nov 5 15:30:15 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Nov 4 18:41:52 2013. This is a photo of the IRT West Side line as it goes down into the subway portal at 149th Street and Bergen Avenue. Before the Bergen Cutoff was constructed. Take a look at Google Maps. The light color brick building on the corner of 149/Bergen is still there, as are some of the tenements to its left. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 16:03:10 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Nov 5 15:30:15 2013. Thank you! Just as I suspected here: http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1257205 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 16:05:04 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 09:13:25 2013. The creek though bulged in that direction before it was fully filled in. Won't argue, but the position of the tracks vs the apartment buildings definitely says Putnam. That trackage was still active as was the Kingsbridge yards where JFK High is now back when I was a kid. They didn't add the yardage tracks over by the Put until after the Spuyten Duyvil yard closed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 16:07:27 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 09:58:35 2013. Correct. Along with the stairs coming right off the 225 bridge eastward to the platforms which were east of the bridge with four tracks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 16:09:48 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 10:01:25 2013. From what I gathered in the documents, the Put stop didn't have all that much traffic. But looks like PSC really wanted to get trains up to Van Cortlandt more so than over there. Haven't seen anything regarding Interborough's attitudes as to where the train went yet though. Given how long the trip time is for the IRT from there, if you were going to take the Central, might as well just stay on the train and save the 18 minutes. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 16:14:29 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 16:05:04 2013. No. The Put was not electrified back then. The Put was not on a curve there. And the Put would not have been located like that relative to those apartment buildings. As I later suspected, it's a subway portal. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 16:17:30 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 14:47:13 2013. Anything's possible, but the main line was four tracks at Marble Hill. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 16:50:05 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Tue Nov 5 16:14:29 2013. Yep ... entirely possible. In the other photo, they got the location correct but the direction wrong. Therefore, assuming that the second photo was also the correct location, then it would have to be the Put before the main line ran right at the water's edge. But if the location's wrong, all bets are off.Museums getting 0 for 0 ... unheard of. :( |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Nov 6 07:51:36 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 16:50:05 2013. Not unheard of. The NYTM has made at least 5 to 10 factual/historical mistakes in member or public communications in the past 9 months or so. I don't understand what their problem is. Their whole purpose is to educate. So why do they keep screwing it up? |
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Posted by Joe on Wed Nov 6 09:57:05 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Nov 6 07:51:36 2013. This may sound like a rant, but I have met at least three types of archivists, librarians, or curators:1) Those who are really interested in the contents of the files, but may not be trained in "library science." 2) Those professionals who assiduouisly follow the generalized and current theories of their profession, but are only mildly interested in the contents of collections. 3) Those whose chief aim is cull from the collection items that have not been looked at in the past year or two. --- I would prefer competent people, enthusiastic about the collection, and willing to keep stuff that might be of interest fifty or eighty years from now. --- We also have problems with people too young to know offhand what IRT means or who write books about railroads they never rode. That leads to the identification of photos miles away from the location (River Avenue vs. Marble Hill). Joe |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 6 15:18:19 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 4 19:19:29 2013. the yonkers branch was electrified in 1926/& abandonded in 1943 IT WAS NYC AS WAS THE PUT.PERIOD. |
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Posted by sloth on Wed Nov 6 19:34:48 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Mon Nov 4 19:10:33 2013. It branched off the Put in Van Cortlandt Park. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 6 19:44:06 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 13:58:52 2013. We know that. But your post seemed to make a distinction between the two. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Nov 6 21:48:51 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Nov 5 15:30:15 2013. Brilliant observation! Even that narrow alley between the light color brick building and the one next to it is still there more than a century later. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 6 22:05:42 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 4 10:49:19 2013. Greatt article. Not only is quite informative, seeming to disprove the existence of the 230th/Bailey Station (the old terminus of the line was 221 Street), the article is also quite humorous, with the unknown "Brother Peary" stumbling out of the train. He was probably drunk, and had no idea where he was or that he'd created transit history. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Nov 6 22:08:10 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Nov 6 07:51:36 2013. Maybe we should encourage the TM to first post their photos here to have us check them since our resident experts seem to be at least as good as theirs. |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Nov 7 02:53:29 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by VictorM on Wed Nov 6 22:08:10 2013. +9. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Nov 7 09:04:36 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 6 15:18:19 2013. PERIOD!Just thought I'd mention, you sound like someone else. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Nov 7 09:05:28 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 6 15:18:19 2013. But , we know we can trust you. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 7 11:11:39 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Avid Reader on Thu Nov 7 09:04:36 2013. who? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Nov 7 11:46:28 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Thu Nov 7 11:11:39 2013. If you have insurance, you can keep it. Period. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Nov 7 13:12:31 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by VictorM on Wed Nov 6 22:08:10 2013. Iawtp |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 7 18:08:54 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 6 19:44:06 2013. I can't see how! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 19:52:52 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 4 07:05:21 2013. I,ve got info on the TEMPORARY BAILY AVE.STATION coming in from an old friend,when I get the full details I,ll post them.p.s. you all now have a reason to live. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 19:53:47 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 19:52:52 2013. There was never a temporary station there. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 20:34:33 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 8 19:53:47 2013. WHEN I GET THE INFO I,LL POST IT. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 8 20:58:02 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 19:52:52 2013. This should be interesting. :) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 8 21:06:08 2013, in response to Re: 230TH/BAILEY AVENUE station.., posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 8 20:58:02 2013. HE does have a photo of the temp.station,I don`t know if he will email it to me,sure hope he does. |
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