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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013 http://www.bkbureau.org/2013/05/24/how-the-m-train-is-gentrifying-bushwick/ An interesting article from May 24th, 2013 on how the rerouting of the M train to Midtown has caused a burst of ridership and migration to the neighborhoods it serves. Central Ave received the largest increase of any station in all of Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 17 15:33:31 2013, in response to How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013. I hate the term "gentrification". The USA has no gentry. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 17 16:18:32 2013, in response to How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013. The article points up (unintended, I suppose) the fallacy of saying that ridership drives service more than service drives ridership. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 16:25:01 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 17 16:18:32 2013. As was said for so long, this was a service that was needed for years. Most people had no idea that it was even possible to run trains uptown after Essex. It's very ironic that finally after all the years, this service finally came back, and in the form of a "cut". But it was perhaps the best change to the subway system in perhaps 50 years.There was complete silence along the line when all the public hearings came up to discuss the proposed "cuts". The only reaction was "and this is bad for us how?"....and they wanted the service to keep the M letter instead of V. THAT IS ALL. Now that the neighborhoods got a taste for this wonderful service, it would be next to impossible for the MTA to ever try and take it away. The same quiet neighborhoods that were dead silent when this change went into effect will be like Tigers let out of a cage. Ridership exploded at those stations the first full year after the change. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 17 16:42:22 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 16:25:01 2013. I would suspect a lot of the new riders are people who used to take a bus to Queens Blvd. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 17 16:49:33 2013, in response to How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013. I think its cool as heck! its something we've been talking about for years since the KK/K was discontinued.The ONLY nitpicking I see is the fact that the line does not run on weekends. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jun 17 17:25:47 2013, in response to How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013. From the article: median home prices in Bushwick have more than doubled, from $300,000 in the third quarter of 2010 to $625,000 in the first quarter of 2013, according to MNS.There's no doubt that home prices there have shot up over the past few years, but I'm skeptical of that $625K figure. Other sites I checked put the median in the $400K-$450K range. Maybe some are including or excluding apartment sales, but that's bound to cause confusion if left unstated. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:30:21 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jun 17 17:25:47 2013. Even those rickety old 3-story railroad flat houses?wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:31:04 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 17 15:33:31 2013. Wanna bet? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 19:35:09 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 17 16:42:22 2013. ????No.. go all the way through manhattan? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 17 19:45:40 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 19:35:09 2013. In that they used to take a bus to QB and then take that train to the city, now they take the M train to the city. They used to get off at the downtown platform now they get off at the uptown platform.I am not certain if that is true for any notable number of people. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 17 19:54:02 2013, in response to How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013. When does the "M" train run? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:57:32 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Jun 17 17:25:47 2013. There's no doubt that home prices there have shot up over the past few years, but I'm skeptical of that $625K figure. Other sites I checked put the median in the $400K-$450K range. Maybe some are including or excluding apartment sales, but that's bound to cause confusion if left unstated.Building sizes can vary greatly from block to block in that area and so will prices. You'll see some old 2 family wood frame, then a block of 8 family tenements, then the traditional railroad room 6 families. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:57:40 2013, in response to How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013. I was in Bushwick over the weekend.People are calling it Nooklyn. Don't know when that started. There's a health food supermarket called Hana @ Jefferson and Wycoff. I think the burst in ridership coincides with the explosion of multi-unit co-ops and condos around Central Ave. That construction started even before the M was rerouted via 6th Ave. Bushwick was going to gentrify regardless of the M. But the new route is going to make the area even more attractive. They are also calling the industrial area of Ridgewood SOMA(South Of Myrtle Avenue) and they're trying to give it official industrial park status. Ridgewood Times had a story about it. It's the area around Halsey Street on the L. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 20:04:06 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 17 16:49:33 2013. Yes....it should be weekend days too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 20:04:31 2013, in response to How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 17 15:29:38 2013. What part of Bushwick would you say is most gentrified?I'd say it's around Jefferson Ave on the L. The least gentrified is around Halsey. I guess Central is gentrified but it does not seem as hip at Jefferson. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 17 20:08:44 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Jun 17 18:31:04 2013. You saying that Article 1 Section 9 Clause 8 of the US Constitution is being subverted? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 17 20:20:29 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 17 20:08:44 2013. Yes ... it's called the "one percent" ... the ones that make the laws that Congress puts through for them. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 20:51:34 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 17 19:45:40 2013. Your last sentence.....exactly. no real huge numbers |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 20:53:47 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:57:40 2013. All the stations on the M surged....the Ridgewood ones too. And there was nothing to gentrify from there. Central....is a combination of both. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 20:54:50 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 20:04:31 2013. Morgan and Jefferson....but its moving east |
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Posted by j trainloco on Mon Jun 17 21:34:43 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:57:40 2013. They are also calling the industrial area of Ridgewood SOMA(South Of Myrtle Avenue) and they're trying to give it official industrial park status. Ridgewood Times had a story about it. It's the area around Halsey Street on the L.Good. They need to protect what little industrial jobs remain in the city. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 01:06:12 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by j trainloco on Mon Jun 17 21:34:43 2013. Here's the article about bringing industry back to that part of RidgewoodIt's no surprise that area was so industrial. They even had a single freight track running parallel to Wycoff. By the 1950's when my family was growing up on Knickerbocker they called it "The dummy track". |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jun 18 01:55:44 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 01:06:12 2013. The tracks are still there, at least by Halsey Street on the Larry........ |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 02:15:12 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jun 18 01:55:44 2013. Interesting. I figured all signs of the tracks had been removed or covered at this point. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue Jun 18 05:15:43 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:57:40 2013. That might catch on about as much as SoBro did for the South Bronx or RAMBO for north of the DUMBO area. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 18 09:58:26 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 02:15:12 2013. There used to be a railroad crossing with tracks on Cornelia St, but it's long gone now too... Here's a photo I took of it around 1991...
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 18 10:00:39 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 17 19:54:02 2013. Weekdays, except late nights. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 18 10:30:39 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 17 19:57:32 2013. That is correct. They each hold their own value, depending on what they are. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jun 18 10:33:02 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 17 20:20:29 2013. You beat me to it. These plutocrats OWN Congress.wayne |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jun 18 10:34:10 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 20:04:06 2013. Like the "C" does.wayne |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 18 14:03:55 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 20:04:06 2013. I don't disagree. I think the problem is, at least from MTA's standpoint, is that there is no good option to terminate the M on the weekends. I assume they don't want to send it out to CTL (does Queens Blvd need a second local on weekends?). 57/6 and Queensbridge are out b/c of the F. I think Queens Plaza has been mentioned (it could relay on the track north (east?) of QP, but that potentially could delay the E (unless the E would go local on weekends, but that's a whole other can of worms)). 145th St is a possibility, but that would require a switching move south of 42nd St, since only the 6th Ave express tracks access CPW. I dunno... |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 18 14:04:38 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 17 19:54:02 2013. It actually runs 24/7 but it only goes to Manhattan and Qns Blvd from about 600 AM to 12 Mid. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 18 14:06:32 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 18 14:03:55 2013. Even if the E ran lcl on weekends, the M would still block it since they have to share common track in the 53 St tube anyhow. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 18 14:30:29 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 18 14:03:55 2013. 145th street. Switching from local to express track on 6th Ave is no problem. It's not as though 6th Ave is teeming with D and F trains on the weekend.Also satisfies the grumbles about lousy service on CPW on weekends. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 18 15:57:29 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 18 14:03:55 2013. If just the "E" train is running express on weekends, why couldn't they turn the "M" train on middle track D5, east of Queens Plaza. Like the R-9 Holiday train did on the center track. Only one express train on weekends and no rush hour trains. What's the problem with this? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 18 16:20:24 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 18 10:00:39 2013. Runs to about 10 PM. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 18 16:22:13 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Jun 17 20:54:50 2013. And pushing the poor people into my area. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 18 16:38:21 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jun 18 16:22:13 2013. It's doing the opposite to my old neighborhood (Ridgewood)....while it never got bad, the neighborhood has much higher income people now than back in the 90's when I still lived there. I don't mean "high income", just "higher income" than what they replaced. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 17:27:12 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue Jun 18 05:15:43 2013. Nooklyn probably won't catch on. I think there's a real estate agent using the name because I saw their sign on a few buildings.I just got back from that neighborhood again. I even witnessed a BIE on a Manhattan-bound L train at Dekalb at 1:45pm. T/O walked around his train and found nothing. BIE happened about a car length before the 8-car marker. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 18 18:11:55 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 18 16:38:21 2013. Is your home in the little historic district bordered by Catalpa, Woodward, Madison(?) and Onderdonk? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jun 19 01:32:28 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 18 14:03:55 2013. Queens Blvd could use a second local on weekends. Since the G was cut back to Court Square, I have never seen an R train that wasn't crowded on the weekend. Also, crowding conditions on the platforms at Roosevelt can and do get quite dangerous. It's only a matter of time before the inevitable "more people than the platform can hold" scenario… |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jun 19 01:37:28 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 17 16:42:22 2013. I'm sure many of them were transferring to the L train before the change went into effect. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 19 07:02:10 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 17 16:49:33 2013. "Midtown Direct" service from North & Central Brooklyn was long overdue... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 19 13:36:36 2013, in response to Re: How the M-train is Gentrifying Bushwick, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 19 07:02:10 2013. absolutely...I thought it would have been the Jamaica line that made the switch..but its all good. |
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