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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 16:56:42 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Feb 3 16:53:47 2013. 100% of the trains (15TPH) for 38% of Brooklyn/Culver riders doesn't fit my definition of screwed over. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Feb 3 17:03:11 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 16:56:42 2013. Every other train is terminated at Kings Highway during rush hours. Battery runs are frequent. At least 2 trains end up terminated at Church Avenue/Avenue X due to delays.What actually happens on the Culver does not match the schedule at all. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Feb 3 17:12:48 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 1 14:13:09 2013. In other cities, they just paint "Mind the Gap" along the edge of the platform:
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 17:18:21 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Feb 3 17:03:11 2013. South of Church Ave is over-served with 38% of the ridership. There is little ridership beyond King Hwy, while W 8th and C.I. are served by other trains.It's called reallocation of resources for lower South Ferry, and the Culver Line is low-hanging fruit. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Feb 3 17:32:29 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 17:18:21 2013. But do they really need that much service? Ws were empty by 14th st. The only good thing about the w is the n doesn't need to do an additional switch at prince st to run local. Now when the sas to 96th st open, then I can see the need for the w then, which should be covered by the r179 order. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 18:08:23 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Feb 3 17:32:29 2013. Yes, but now the #1 is castrated at Rector, so the W might be more attractive. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Sun Feb 3 18:18:25 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 17:18:21 2013. As DJ hammers points out, Almost ever other F in the AM short turns at KH. At what point do you think reducing service further makes sense? Is the R currently overburdened? Do you really think a brand new station will just be abandoned? Do you think that $600M won't come from the federal money? |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Feb 3 18:34:36 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 18:08:23 2013. Well it's only stopped short 1 stop and still turning back on the loop, so no major decrease in 1 service. I don't think it is fair to steal from one line to plug another. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 18:47:24 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by J Trainloco on Sun Feb 3 18:18:25 2013. The current R sucks for Staten Islanders if they are not walking up to Rector to take the #1. Its reliability as always is sporadic.Brand new station is 3 years away. No I do not think federal money will make it all whole. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Sun Feb 3 20:50:20 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 3 18:47:24 2013. The R doesn't suck anymore for Staten islanders than it does for 4th avenue riders. It's also not the only option, the 4/5 is available as well. Putting the F on a double digit frequency in southern Brooklyn just because the R isn't reliable enough for the tastes of some doesn't make sense.Federal money will definitely cover the bulk of the costs for rebuilding SF. It's covering most of the costs for non disaster related capital projects currently under construction. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 3 22:34:38 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Feb 3 11:06:59 2013. Enough that the state was willing to put down the money for a brand new station to replace the "dangerous, obsolete" one instead of closing the old one and saving a bundle either way. Reopening it means we don't have to jerk around other lines to do it either. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 3 22:40:48 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by J Trainloco on Sun Feb 3 20:50:20 2013. Whay about turning More F trains at Church? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Feb 3 23:49:03 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by J Trainloco on Sun Feb 3 18:18:25 2013. Its more than "almost every other F"... it's usually 3/5 trains terminating at KH. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Feb 4 04:28:16 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Feb 3 11:05:47 2013. From South Ferry, the #4 and #5 are good for traveling up the Eastside of Manhattan, and for travel to/from Brooklyn. At the Fulton Street station the #4 and #5 have important transfers to the A and C trains. In addition the #4 and #5 provide travel to/from the Atlantic Avenue-Pacific Street complex and downtown Brooklyn business and shopping areas.From the South Ferry-Whitehall Street station, the R-train is good for travel up the Eastside of Manhattan, travel to/from Brooklyn. At the Jay Street/Borough Hall/MetroTech station the R-train has a very important transfer to/from and A, C and F-trains. In addition the R-train from South Ferry-Whitehall Street provide travel to/from the Atlantic Avenue-Pacific Street complex and downtown Brooklyn business and shopping areas. From the South Ferry, the #1 train provides travel access to/from the Westside of Manhattan - lower, middle, and upper westside sections of Manhattan - which none of the other lines that meet at South Ferry do so directly. The new transfer between the #1 and the R-train provide added flexibility for getting around. I travel often between the lower westside-Chelsea and South Ferry, where the #1-train provides the direct route. There is no other simple - direct pathway. While there are two other stations at or near South Ferry - #4 and #5 at Bowling Green, and the R-train - some trips are simply just a lot easier to manage, and less time consuming by taking the #1 train directly to and from the Ferry. Mike |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Mon Feb 4 12:45:59 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Feb 3 23:49:03 2013. Going by the schedule, in the AM, it's never more than every other train. I'm not out there, so if what actually happens is different, I'll take your word for it.What's really interesting is that the Put ins in the AM originate at Ave X, but after a certain time, there are no more put ins and the trains from Queens turn at KH. From 655 to 750, Avenue X and U see 12 tph scheduled, but from 754 to 853, only 8. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Mon Feb 4 12:49:27 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 3 22:40:48 2013. I'm not sure what benefit is gained from doing that. Since everything's on the local track at Church, you would only muck up the railroad. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Feb 5 05:39:00 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Feb 3 02:15:58 2013. +2 |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Feb 5 08:14:42 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by J Trainloco on Mon Feb 4 12:45:59 2013. What you see on the schedule tends to differ from what actually happens.It's mostly an issue during the PM rush. Delays that originate in Queens/Manhattan and/or caused by late/early G trains cause some extreme bunching issues and lead to a complete mess of service south of 7th avenue. |
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Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 5 18:56:38 2013, in response to South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jan 17 23:50:37 2013. For what it's worth, we have an emergency G/O out of nowhere taking place Tuesday night and Wednesday, shutting down the (1) line below Chambers Street for a "survey of old South Ferry Station".A friend of mine who works on the (1) line also reports that crews have been stripping tiles and cleaning up on the platform, as well as doing some sort of work on the gap fillers. Take that as you will.... |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 5 19:24:41 2013, in response to Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 5 18:56:38 2013. Anything about stairs ? |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Tue Feb 5 19:51:14 2013, in response to Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 5 18:56:38 2013. From what I've heard, no decision has been made on this. But it is being studied. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 02:44:58 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by J Trainloco on Tue Feb 5 19:51:14 2013. Sounds more like what I thought might happen, there being political pressure to get the old station back up and running as quickly as possible. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Feb 6 03:45:46 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 02:44:58 2013. What is your source that there is actual political pressure to reopen the old station? |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Feb 6 04:12:47 2013, in response to Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by G1Ravage on Tue Feb 5 18:56:38 2013. And so once again we have PROFF that the MTA listens to Wallyhorse... |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Feb 6 12:15:17 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Feb 6 04:12:47 2013. Well, let's not get TOO carried away. I haven't seen them tearing down the bricked-up openings at the inner loop station yet. :-p |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 6 12:22:06 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Feb 6 03:45:46 2013. When politicians started going to the media about reopening the station? |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Wed Feb 6 15:00:23 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Feb 6 03:45:46 2013. There have been links to articles posted here about political pressure mostly from Staten Island. Everyone here gives alternatives to lack of 1 at South Ferry but for those with long commutes from SI, an extra 5-20 minutes added is a big deal. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 15:48:03 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Snarf368 on Wed Feb 6 15:00:23 2013. Right!Even before those came out, I felt there would be political pressure to get the old station open, and I still think we could see the MTA taken to court to force it. For people coming from Staten Island, that extra time walking is a big deal, plus in bad weather it makes it a bigger problem. It might be easier to instead of rebuilding the current SF to first see if it's possible to extend the old station to accommodate 10-car trains. No one could have realistically thought a storm like Sandy was possible even at the time it was planned to shut down the old (1) station at South Ferry, but as said many times, the lesson learned from Sandy is that everything that might have been discarded years ago needs to be put back on the table (and that includes potentially rebuilding some of the demolished EL lines in ways to make them both quieter than their predecessors and to better withstand storms like Sandy). Like I also said, I would NEVER have shut the old SF station down in the first place, instead, looking to update it and Bowling Green to ADA standards so I could have the Lexington Line operate on it after the (1) moved to the much-needed current SF (BG-SF shuttle weekdays until 4/5 to Brooklyn frequencies are reduced, (6) all other times, (5) when not running to Flatbush Avenue). The main side benefit of that as noted before would be increased Lexington Avenue Line service between Brooklyn Bridge and Bowling Green outside of weekdays since the (6) would at all other times also go there as opposed to terminating at Brooklyn Bridge, which would be a big help given the huge jump in residential population in lower Manhattan since the BG-SF shuttle last operated in 1977. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Feb 6 15:56:29 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 15:48:03 2013. That record's a bit scratched... |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Feb 6 17:13:30 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 15:48:03 2013. (and that includes potentially rebuilding some of the demolished EL lines in ways to make them both quieter than their predecessors and to better withstand storms like Sandy).True. This South Ferry station would never have flooded:  Perhaps the MTA should rebuild it so we can all ride the Coenties Slip curve... ;-) |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 6 19:20:47 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 15:48:03 2013. Like I also said, I would NEVER have shut the old SF station down in the first place...Like you never stop saying... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 6 19:47:25 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Snarf368 on Wed Feb 6 15:00:23 2013. It's not as if there is NO SERVICE from South Ferry..there's plenty of service..the R is right there..the LEX is further up the street...the J/2/3 at Wall st. understandably,there will be some distress about travel times..but come on..seriously..there a train running RIGHT OUTSIDE THE TERMINAL. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 22:35:34 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 6 19:47:25 2013. Oh, there is, but for some, they are either:1. In that big of a hurry coming off the ferry to where a couple of minutes makes a big difference. 2. Are too lazy to want to walk to Rector for the (1), Bowling Green for the (4)/(5) or Whitehall Street (actually I believe Stone Street) for the (R). 3. Are not comfortable walking the distance between any of those stations and the terminal, especially late at night. 4. Have physical ailments that make walking to any of those stations difficult. 5. Any combination of the above. 6. ALL of the above. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 22:36:28 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Feb 6 04:12:47 2013. LOL!!To me, it simply made sense there would be political pressure at some point to re-open the old loop, nothing more. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 6 23:15:05 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 22:35:34 2013. Oh well..the nearest train station to me is blocks away..if I have to put up with it..and I'm sure there are many others that feel the same way..so do they.. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 7 03:52:51 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 6 19:47:25 2013. True but think about going back to SI... the extra 5 minutes could add a full half hour to your trip home outside of peak hours... so for those people the closure of SF has added 40 minutes to their daily commute (30 minutes for the boat and the extra 5 minutes each way on the subway). |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 7 03:54:19 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 6 23:15:05 2013. Except they have already walked their extra blocks to get to their home SIR station / bus stop. It's like if suddenly your normal transfer station decided to add five minutes of walking on a treadmill to cross the platform. Would you be ok with that? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Feb 7 05:24:32 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 6 22:35:34 2013. 1. In that big of a hurry coming off the ferry to where a couple of minutes makes a big difference.Leave work or wherever on time to catch the ferry. If a whole boatload of people (pun intended) can manage to do it, why can't the stragglers? 2. Are too lazy to want to walk to Rector for the (1), Bowling Green for the (4)/(5) or Whitehall Street (actually I believe Stone Street) for the (R). Tough luck. If they want door to door service, take a taxi, bike, or drive. 3. Are not comfortable walking the distance between any of those stations and the terminal, especially late at night. This might hold some merit, but it is only 1/10 of a mile from the ferry terminal to Whitehall Street on the R, Bowling Green is 3/10 of a mile. If the area is as up and coming as you claim every time you push for increased service on the Lexington Avenue line from Brooklyn Bridge to Bowling Green, are there not enough people around to make the area feel safe enough for some? Maybe you need to rethink your whole reopen the inner loop plan. 4. Have physical ailments that make walking to any of those stations difficult. This argument makes the most sense, but seeing as anyone would have to navigate stairs to get to the old SF platform most likely, I know few people with physical ailments who prefer stairs over walking, even longer distances. 5. Any combination of the above. 6. ALL of the above. I don't need to address these. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Feb 7 05:27:46 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 7 03:52:51 2013. Adjust the way the rest of us do when transit schedules change slightly? |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Feb 7 07:13:07 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 7 03:52:51 2013. Leave work a few minutes earlier. I don't think very many places have time clocks anymore. I haven't punched one in 28 years. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Feb 7 07:59:04 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 7 03:54:19 2013. I do a lot of walking when possible, so it wouldn't bother me, but I also see where others would be. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Thu Feb 7 09:14:23 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Feb 7 05:24:32 2013. Walking 1/10 mile to Whitehall may be nothing but say a rider wants to take the 1 to a stop between Franklin and 28 street? Taking the R is hardly a good alternative. If all riders we going to say Times Square then R is a great option. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Thu Feb 7 09:17:41 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by merrick1 on Thu Feb 7 07:13:07 2013. Tme clocks or not, many work places frown upon workers leaving a few minutes early especially if employees a paid by the hour. Straying off topic but if a manager let's one person leave early, it would be unfair if to others that have to stay. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Feb 7 10:21:17 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Snarf368 on Thu Feb 7 09:14:23 2013. R to the L. Not a good situation, they need to get SF open again, but until then, people are going to need to deal with some inconvenience. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Thu Feb 7 11:40:17 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Snarf368 on Thu Feb 7 09:14:23 2013. What about taking the 4-5 from Bowling Green to the Fulton St. complex and change for the 2-3? |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Feb 7 12:00:25 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Gene B. on Thu Feb 7 11:40:17 2013. That's quite an annoying transfer to do on a daily basis. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by michael549 on Thu Feb 7 16:22:18 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Feb 7 10:21:17 2013. Look at this situation from another perspective for a moment.In 1991 the old Manhattan Ferry Terminal burned and destroyed the main waiting room, and about half of the ferry structure. Leaving riders spending a summer in tents beside the terminal, while a small temporary ferry terminal was built out of the remains of what was left standing. The first temporary terminal enclosed and used the roadway under the terminal as a waiting space requiring riders to board, and dis-embark on only the lower level of the boats. When the construction of the main level of the terminal was complte, it was quickly realized that what was basically the entrance to the old terminal had to suffice was the whole temporary terminal. Meaning that the whole waiting room area was SMALL. Add in the usual cuts in service under Mayor Dinkins, their lare restoration, and the usual G.O.s meant that travel could really suck, especially when one had to wait an hour in those spaces for a boat. Continuing in the next message. Mike |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 7 18:04:18 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Feb 7 05:27:46 2013. A schedule change is a different beast - you can shift your schedule to fit in with new times. However, this is a change in the duration of the trip which can affect a transfer. In this situation, lets say someone simply needs to leave work 5 minutes earlier to make their usual boat. Well, now they have to arrive at work 5 minutes earlier. It's just as likely that in order to reliably arrive 5 minutes earlier than their previous time (in addition to coping with the 5 minute added time of the additional walk) they will need to take a boat a full interval earlier than their normal boat. This simply moves the location of the extra "dead time" to the beginning of the trip.You can't say that adding an extra 20-40 minutes commute for the hundreds of thousands who use the ferry for 3 years is acceptable, when the old station could be pressed back into service in 6 months (seriously replacing some motors and knocking out a poorly located room is not a billion dollar multi-year capital project). |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 8 01:21:05 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 7 03:52:51 2013. HAH..I lived on Staten Island for years,on both the North and south shore..I KNOW the routine..I've been there late at night waiting..early in the day..weekends..especially on sundays when the little boats ran on an hour schedule after 7pm...the same walk I made from Bowling Green,is the same walk hundreds do everyday..even getting off the R train is a crap shot when trying to catch the ferry. Living on S.I is a crap shot..the city does care enough about you to do the right thing and build a direct connection to the rail system..the residents fuss like hell..but dont actually WANT it..but the DO want some kinda easy way to get into the "city".. easy is NEVER gonna happen by car since the MTA/PA uses SI as a cash cow,nor by bus since they refuse to operate a limited/BRT service into Manhattan..but WILL operate an overpriced "express bus"..most of them operating lopsided one way rush hours. CDTA operated a "semi express" bus service,using a hybrid=express/local type nova buses that could be used on all lines even when it wasn't in EXP service..[interlining the 35x with the 22 and or other routes].. the problem here isnt south ferry..the PROBLEM HERE is the fact that Staten Island needs a subway connection..whether its a full B DIVISION ROUTE or LRT. AND PLEASE,PEOPLE..LETS not GET INTO THE "IT CAN'T BE DONE" ROUTINE.. The Narrows Bridge can handle more than this weight..modern LRTS can HANDLE THE GRADES WITH LITTLE PROBLEM..And the Battery tunnel traffic can share the road with LRT's if PROPERLY EDUCATED..West st is more than able to integrate a LRT row.. the ONLY thing stopping the MTA from building this link is greed..lack of balls to step out of its overcharging comfort zone. |
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Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!) |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Feb 8 01:30:53 2013, in response to Re: Well, this is interesting... (Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!), posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 8 01:21:05 2013. Well it certainly won't be a subway tunnel from manhattan to SI as it'll be insanely expensive to connect just two boroughs while arc was going to connect two states and look what happened to that cuz of costs. So rail option is limited to SI at best. I also think that it should be the SIrt that gets extended to Brooklyn as I don't see the worth in extending the other subway lines down there and extending all the platforms to be used for basically rush hours only. |
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