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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:09:23 2012 Thought folks might enjoy this pic, shows how it looked before it was done ...
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Posted by mike cruz on Wed Aug 15 21:39:54 2012, in response to Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:09:23 2012. Amazin isn't it. I love how things like this can stand the test of time after bein built soo long ago. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:57:05 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by mike cruz on Wed Aug 15 21:39:54 2012. Amazing what skilled people, dedicated to doing things properly, can do. :) |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Aug 15 21:58:47 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by mike cruz on Wed Aug 15 21:39:54 2012. Same here! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 15 22:59:16 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:57:05 2012. absolutely true. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Aug 16 04:27:25 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:57:05 2012. IAWTP |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 16 06:22:14 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Aug 16 04:27:25 2012. +1 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 07:04:03 2012, in response to Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:09:23 2012. Mike: What a great picture. Note the Catherine Street Ferry Terminal at the foot of Main Street.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 11:39:55 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by mike cruz on Wed Aug 15 21:39:54 2012. When the USA was respected at home and by the world! |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 16 12:32:11 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:57:05 2012. Question is, how many people died or were seriously injured in the building of it? Safety of the workers was not of particular importance at that time (read up on the building of the Brooklyn Bridge). |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Aug 16 12:58:03 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Aug 16 12:32:11 2012. Indeed. As an electrician, safety comes first. That said, a few of the regs are silly--example; in CA if working on a roof over SIX feet from the ground, one is required to be safety harnessed. Makes for really slow work on a flat roof w/a parapet (common Bay Area SFD). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Aug 16 14:29:01 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 07:04:03 2012. Catherine St. in Brooklyn or Manhattan? In Manhattan, Catherine St is south of the bridge. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Aug 16 14:31:21 2012, in response to Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:09:23 2012. Nice photo!!! Thanks for sharing! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 16 14:53:39 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by 3-9 on Thu Aug 16 14:29:01 2012. Most definitely in Manhattan. It's located directly in between the Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 15:41:23 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by 3-9 on Thu Aug 16 14:29:01 2012. Catherine St. in Brooklyn or Manhattan? In Manhattan, Catherine St is south of the bridge.That's correct. The sign on the ferry terminal building indicates that this is the ferry to Catherine Street in Manhattan. The ferry building was located at the foot of Main Street in Brooklyn. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 16:37:44 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 15:41:23 2012. One of the Manny B's first victims was the Catherine Street Ferry, which closed on July 28th, 1912. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 16 16:53:21 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:57:05 2012. Amazing what skilled people, dedicated to doing things properly, can do. :)Also amazing was primitive construction equipment like steam powered cranes etc. to build this Bridge. Also, no computers to help make the project easier. I heard that when the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge was built, construction of the towers had to compensate for the curvature of the earth. Amazing ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 16 17:36:59 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 16 16:53:21 2012. Same thing with the Golden Gate. Complicated math existed before computers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 17:54:52 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 16 16:53:21 2012. Slide rules were pretty close. :) |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 18:08:18 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 16:37:44 2012. One of the Manny B's first victims was the Catherine Street Ferry, which closed on July 28th, 1912What was really amazing was that the Fulton Street Ferry managed to co-exist with the Brooklyn Bridge for forty one years. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Aug 16 18:16:24 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 16 17:36:59 2012. Thanks to the slide rule, in High school in the 1960's we learned to use the slide rule and I still have the one we were issued and I use it on occasion just for fun. Karl |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Aug 16 18:16:47 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 16 17:36:59 2012. Thanks to the slide rule, in High school in the 1960's we learned to use the slide rule and I still have the one we were issued and I use it on occasion just for fun. Karl |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 19:49:53 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 18:08:18 2012. Even more amazing was that rush hour Fulton El service continued to Fulton Ferry until 1940! The ferry closed on 01/19/24. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 16 19:52:40 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Aug 16 18:16:24 2012. They're also MIGHTY handy on the top of a TV tower when you're trying to calculate the tilt angle before locking down the slot ports on a UHF antenna array. :) |
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Posted by numbersix on Thu Aug 16 20:32:07 2012, in response to Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:09:23 2012. The bridge looked like this in 1980's after years of deferred mainentance. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 20:52:58 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Aug 16 18:16:24 2012. I acquired a circular slide rule in high school and may still have it somewhere. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 20:54:55 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Aug 16 12:58:03 2012. Common sense has been legislated out of existence. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 20:56:56 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 16 16:53:21 2012. The towers of the VNB are 1.65 inches further apart at their tops than at their bases. They are both perpendicular to the earth's surface. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 20:58:30 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by mike cruz on Wed Aug 15 21:39:54 2012. Especially after years of neglect. Now if they'd only put the subway tracks in the middle... |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 20:58:56 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 19:49:53 2012. The ferry closed on 01/19/24.Did someone forget to notify the BMT that the ferry was closed? I believe that you said that the Fulton Ferry service was cut back to rush hours only at some point. There was probably just enough industry on the waterfront to keep the trains running until 1940. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 21:02:11 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by numbersix on Thu Aug 16 20:32:07 2012. I couldn't help but picture this newspaper headline back in the day:Bridge Disaster in New York: Main span collapses plunging subway trains into the East River... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 22:49:02 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Aug 16 18:16:24 2012. Mine was made from bamboo. More accurate because it did not expand/contract as much as other woods. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 23:02:42 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 20:58:56 2012. Years ago, I had a thread on Fulton Ferry. Nobody really knows why the BMT continued service there, even during rush hours, after the ferry closed. i remember seeing the ridership figures for the BMT for either 1927 or 1920, showing 33,000 fares paid. Breaking that down to a 5 day work week, that works out to about a little over 100 fares per day. WOW, they actually made only $5/day with the nickel fare? Was that really worth it? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 23:03:35 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 23:02:42 2012. 1927 or 1928 ridership. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Aug 17 00:23:06 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by mike cruz on Wed Aug 15 21:39:54 2012. Amazing when bridges were intentionally over-engineered. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 17 01:04:25 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 23:02:42 2012. Maybe they needed the terminal to turn trains around? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 17 01:07:08 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 16 15:41:23 2012. Ah, OK, I thought that was the terminal at Catherine St., which would have been in the wrong place relative to the Manhattan Bridge. I think the only thing left at Catherine St. is some wooden pilings, the entire neighborhood has been completely changed since then. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 02:38:14 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 16 20:58:30 2012. That was the problem in the first place. I was reading something on the construction of the Manny B and the NYC bridge commissioner at the time realized that the bridge could not safely hold the trains it was being designed to carry. He was promptly replaced. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 02:40:50 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 17 01:04:25 2012. I was about to say the same thing. It may have been that the Fulton St el had so much service operating on it that some trains had to be routed away from both Sands St and Park row since the Myrtle, Lex and 5 Av els also had to used those facilities. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 17 05:55:32 2012, in response to Manny B before the BMT, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 15 21:09:23 2012. But why were the tracks placed on the outer roadways of the bridge? |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Aug 17 07:34:52 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 17 01:04:25 2012. Perhaps the PSC, which acted like the ICC for all of the rapid transit companies, would not let them discontinue the service. |
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Posted by geoffc on Fri Aug 17 08:20:00 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by mike cruz on Wed Aug 15 21:39:54 2012. I find driving on the Brooklyn Bridge moderately disturbing, when you consider it was built before cars were invented!The amazing resiliance of some of the NYC infrastructure truly amazes me! 100 year old bridges (Brooklyn, MannyB, Williamsburg, Koch?) and others. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Aug 17 09:14:44 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 17 01:07:08 2012. Actually, the building on the left of the picture is still there today. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 13:27:38 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Aug 16 18:16:24 2012. Slide rules got us to the moon and back. Damned kids and their reliance on computers. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 13:30:16 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 19:49:53 2012. This was done because Park Row could not handle all rush hour service on the Fulton St line and the el itself did not connect to the upper level loop. Those trains had to go somewhere. I am shocked it lasted until 1940, though because the lower traffic demands after 1920 should have allowed it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 13:35:42 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 16 23:02:42 2012. These trains made money east of Tillary Street. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 13:43:05 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 17 02:40:50 2012. Trains from Myrtle, Lexington and 5th Ave/Culver could use the upper loop to terminate trains that could not be run to Park Row. Fulton St could not. Fulton St was jury-rigged into Sands St at a later date, with the Tillary St connector allowing access to the lower level. That meant trains not running to Park Row had to use an extension on the southern end of Sands St for passengers transferring here. This was a thru station, not a terminal and so it was probably just easier to turn the trains at the nearby Fulton Ferry terminal. I would imagine demand at Fulton Ferry after 1924 would have reversed, with westbounds more crowded in the AM (for people who lived at the foot of the bridge to access Sands St and other trains to Park Row).This overhead shot shows the Fulton St el's platform at Sands St underneath the loop track south of the station: 
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 17 13:55:57 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 13:30:16 2012. Also, there was no eastbound platform at Sands Street on the Fulton Ferry spur, so you had to change at Court & Myrtle, if you wanted to go back to Sands St. Plus, the westbound platform at Fulton ferry was torn out after the ferry was closed in 1924. I have never seen pictures of that station with any passengers on the platforms. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 17 14:02:10 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 13:43:05 2012. No westbound platform from Fulton Ferry. Also, the loop tracks have been torn out. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 17 14:08:03 2012, in response to Re: Manny B before the BMT, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 17 14:02:10 2012. I know, but it gives you an idea of what it looked like when fully operational. This picture probably dates to 1938 or 1939. Trains from Fulton St not headed for Park Row could not turn on the loop, so they had to turn elsewhere. |
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