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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 21 16:54:47 2012 Video of the City Subway in its unadulterated form before it gotNewark City Subway 3/94 And another, film project type, done in 1982 - the cars still have TNJ logos and paint scheme: |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Jul 21 18:07:38 2012, in response to Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 21 16:54:47 2012. A+ for u and both videos.it is to foam. chud1 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 21 19:16:25 2012, in response to Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 21 16:54:47 2012. It used to be a fun ride......... |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 21:50:58 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 21 19:16:25 2012. Isn't any more? Why? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 21:52:43 2012, in response to Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 21 16:54:47 2012. Very nice. I'm especially impressed with the 1982 film--gives much more the feel of really riding it than I'm used to seeing in railfan footage. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 21:56:49 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 21:50:58 2012. My own take after trying it a couple of years ago with the new equipment ... first off, the PCC's *flew* down the line, secondly the motorpeople were very nice and once the car emptied out, they'd talk with you about life and interesting things. It was much more personal then. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 21 22:09:26 2012, in response to Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 21 16:54:47 2012. Ah, that brings back memories. Thanks for finding these! |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 22:33:49 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 21:56:49 2012. Why would the new equipment be slower?I've got to get out there, though. I still haven't had the experience of going past Franklin Avenue. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 21 22:36:32 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 22:33:49 2012. timid bosses. I, too, had ridden the PCCs then the newer stuff which creeps along. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 22:48:52 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 22:33:49 2012. I suppose NYCT managers made it over there. The PCC's went along at a pretty good clip even on the curves. The Kinki's, not so. I had a cousin who lived out in Leonia and his friend's dad was one of the motorpeeps out there. So on Saturdays, once the car emptied out on the way out to Franklin, we'd often get "pedal time" on the PCC's.The new cars seem slow ... very slow. And other riders said that the old cars got you where you were going in half the time and I have no reason to doubt them. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 22:58:47 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 22:48:52 2012. For a line with exactly one grade crossing (until you get to the new section) it's amazing they would be so slow.Do the City Subway cars and the cars to the ex-EL station use different tracks at Pennsylvania? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 23:05:45 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 22:58:47 2012. Yes. At Penn Station, the original 7 route is still separate from the street-running above between the two stations. More info here:http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Newark,_New_Jersey_Light_Rail/City_Subway |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 23:34:56 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 23:05:45 2012. Thanks, Selkoik! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 23:36:37 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 23:34:56 2012. You're welcome! Gotta be useful sometime, just to keep folks off balance. :) |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 22 00:11:26 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 22:48:52 2012. It actually is longer. The old scheduled running time from Franklin Av to Penn Station was 12 minutes. Now it's 15. It's 20 from Grove to Penn.Under the old system, if nobody wanted on or off at a stop... the car didn't stop. Now? Stop, open doors. Wait. Close doors. Lumber away. And yes, as someone else said, it was much more personable with the operator out in the open like a bus operator. NJ Transit basically took something that wasn't broke and "fixed" it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 22 00:22:35 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 22:33:49 2012. Why would the new equipment be slower?Signals. Before they installed the crappier new signaling, the Kinki-Sharyo cars actually were faster than the PCCs. They still are, in a sense of ability. But the PCCs were far nicer either way; you now have POP Cops on the subway system, and the motorman is sequestered away in the front. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 00:22:42 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 22 00:11:26 2012. I guess we should all be really grateful that they didn't just trash it entirely. But it sure was a lot more fun with the PCC's all around. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 22 00:28:52 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 22 00:11:26 2012. Good old NJT. Turned something good into something nondescript and crappy. Even blew extra money for no reason on that ridiculous island platform at Orange Street, never mind that annoying ramp that replaced Heller Parkway station. And getting rid of flag stops was inexcusable, especially since the Kinki-Sharyo cars have stop request strips. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 22 00:35:43 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 00:22:42 2012. correct on both points |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 22 03:31:51 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 22 00:22:35 2012. Signals. Before they installed the crappier new signaling,And you know about the quality of the signaling system how exactly again? It couldn't possibly be that the signaling system will readily support an operation in all respects equivalent to that provided by the old system you pine for, but that the management does not want to accept the liability if they allowed such practices to continue, right? It would have been just as easy to implement the same operational changes on the old signaling system, as NYCT's installation of copious speed restrictions on a nearly obsolete fixed block wayside system demonstrates. you now have POP Cops on the subway system Which also serves to speed up the operation. One need only look at the nightmare on the MBTA Green Line before they introduced rear-door boarding for Charlie Card holders to see just how bad the City Subway could have been if they hadn't improved fare collection while implementing those other changes which increased run times. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 22 04:43:43 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 23:05:45 2012. The timetable is all route 7 (notice the "T0007" code; all bus division timetables have the route number included, and this goes back decades).Hudson-Bergen light rail is coded as route 100 and the River Line is route 343. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 22 04:49:33 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 00:22:42 2012. It was Public Service that wanted to get rid of the rails; they once looked at making it part of their "dual-mode" All-Service Vehicle bus network, having it run on wires underground only though. Imagine these on route 7 instead of PCC cars . . . |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 05:02:46 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 22 04:49:33 2012. Aside from the rubber tires, it's amusing how much GM wanted their beese to look like PCC's. "Public Service" is what I remember with the 7, that "New Jersey this and that" came later. Some pyramids are OK in my book. :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 05:03:49 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 05:02:46 2012. Of course, the whole concept of "public service" is what Karl Marx was talking about. :) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jul 22 05:48:14 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 21:50:58 2012. Isn't any more? Why?The PCC's made the ride fun. Especially in warm weather with the windows open and their signature bouncy ride. The 10 min. ride seemed to short. You wished it could be longer. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 22 10:56:34 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 05:03:49 2012. "Public Service" isn't a euphemism for prostitution? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 22 11:59:32 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 22 03:31:51 2012. the management does not want to accept the liability if they allowed such practices to continueLiability issues didn't start in the past few years, they've been around when the PCCs were still running, but they didn't choke the speeds then. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 22 12:06:19 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jul 22 05:48:14 2012. Agreed. The acceleration and deceleration were great, and the train noises were exhilirating but not too loud. Even in warm weather, the cars didn't get uncomfortable, unlike NYCTA cars without air conditioning. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jul 22 12:39:34 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 21 22:33:49 2012. What ran on this line before PCC types?Was there anything other than PCCs? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 22 13:27:11 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jul 22 12:39:34 2012. Earlier PSCT equipment ran before they picked up the used PCCs, and there were also a batch of routes, not just line 7. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 22 13:32:37 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 23:36:37 2012. You tell 'em, Kev.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 22 13:34:09 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 21 22:48:52 2012. Sounds as if they've adopted the, "you'll get there - eventually" mentality there. I just hope RTD doesn't adopt that on light rail in Denver. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 22 13:37:48 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 22 03:31:51 2012. Come to think of it, I boarded at the rear of that Green Line train three weeks ago and I had a Chahlie Cahd. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 22 14:46:07 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 05:03:49 2012. Public Service was and still is a private company. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Jul 22 15:00:04 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 22 14:46:07 2012. The parent company PSEG is a public company traded on the NYSE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 22 15:02:48 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by merrick1 on Sun Jul 22 15:00:04 2012. Not in the meaning that most uninformed people think of "public." |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 22 15:21:12 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 22 15:02:48 2012. PSEG stands for Public Service Electric & Gas,An integrated generation and energy services company headquartered in Newark, NJ. It's no longer involved in transit operations |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 22 15:24:34 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 22 13:27:11 2012. The cars before the PCC cars were wooden closed cars used. When the PCC cars arrived the City Subway (Route 7) was the only rail line left. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Jul 22 15:28:54 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 22 15:02:48 2012. Perhaps they are thinking of a public benefit corporation. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 22 15:32:22 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 22 14:46:07 2012. yes and "public service" was part of several other utilities corporate names. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 17:23:30 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 22 10:56:34 2012. Nah ... that's "competitive bidding" ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 17:24:32 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 22 14:46:07 2012. I was thinking more "Public Service COMMISSION" where I once worked. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 22 17:28:07 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 22 13:34:09 2012. Getting there is good too ... but it used to be a fun ride as well. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 22 18:00:38 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by merrick1 on Sun Jul 22 15:00:04 2012. The Public Service Corporation had two main operating companies. One was Public Service Electric and Gas (PSE&G) which still exists today. The other was Public Service Coordinated Transport (formed when Public Service Railway and Public Service Transportation Company merged in 1928). That was the "Public Service" that ran buses and trolleys.In the 70's, PS changed the name of the transportation division to Transport of New Jersey and in 1982 sold the entire transport system to the State of New Jersey, which had recently formed NJ Transit. The PSEG building on Park Place in Newark is, IINM, on the same site that the old PS building was which contained the trolley and bus terminal. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 22 18:02:04 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sun Jul 22 18:00:38 2012. Source... ;-) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 22 19:39:26 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 22 15:21:12 2012. And is going to manage LIPA's electric system. |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sun Jul 22 20:14:14 2012, in response to Newark City Subway, posted by JohnnyMints on Sat Jul 21 16:54:47 2012. Newark City Subway was my first and for decades [until 2004] my only non-Philly [SEPTA] PCC ride.In 2004 I finally got the chance to ride the Ashmont-Mattapan line in Boston on their PCC cars. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 22 23:08:04 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 22 11:59:32 2012. Of course, but the resignalling provided ample opportunity for the management to meddle in the operation's affairs. Without the resignalling they would have had to wait for some other pretense to enact the same procedures with the old system. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 23 00:57:55 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by WillD on Sun Jul 22 23:08:04 2012. Eh, but they could have just done that with the old signalling, quietly "tweak" it, so to speak. OTOH, with time, comes new management, new POV's, maybe a new bunch who was more liability-conscious... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 23 03:18:21 2012, in response to Re: Newark City Subway, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 23 00:57:55 2012. Shows that he never rode the Newark Subway, doesn't it? But if anything like this ever happened to SEPTA's subway-surface, he'd be the most vociferous in slamming them . . . |
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