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Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 21:41:42 2012

This couple is suing after being arrested and locked up for 'impeding the flow of traffic', disorderly conduct, and one of them was cited for not having proper ID.
Of course, there's the "contempt of cop" angle--when they tried to film their encounter with the cops, the cops radioed for backup, and they were hauled off to jail, adding "resisting arrest" to their other charges--all for dancing to a steel-drum band on the platform!

Although all charges were later dropped, the couple filed a federal lawsuit against the city.

Moral: Do not test the authority of the police, because they can--and WILL--make your life difficult. During my time in EMS, I watched cops come up with all kinds of creative ways to charge people with things. There are LOTS of "catch-all" offenses with very, very broad definitions, that can be used to lock up anyone for virtually any reason.

Freedom in NYC is a very ephemeral thing.

InB4 the word-humping begins...

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 21:45:34 2012, in response to Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 21:41:42 2012.

What date did this happen and what time?

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by joe c on Sun Jul 8 21:51:57 2012, in response to Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 21:41:42 2012.

They should sue and i hope they win.



til next time

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 21:55:03 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by joe c on Sun Jul 8 21:51:57 2012.

I agree. And the money should come out of the police budget and therefore reduce coverage in the precincts where the police are not supported anyway.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:01:29 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 21:45:34 2012.

According to the article about the couple's lawsuit, which was in today's online Post, the incident itself occurred last year around midnight during the Jazz At Lincoln Center Midsummer Night's Swing festival, which was held on from July 14-16. According toi the plaintiffs, the platform on which they were dancing was virtually empty. However, there is an item in the NYCT Rules Of Conduct prohibiting the "obstruction of free movement".

I see people "obstruct free movement" every day in the subway, as when they stop dead in their tracks at the tops and bottom of staircases and/or escalators, and immediately after exiting a train, as if they've never seen that particular station before...but I've never seen anyone thrown in jail for it, which is why I'm guessing there is a "contempt of cop" element to this story.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:04:16 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 21:55:03 2012.

The NYPD enjoys community support in each of the city's 76 precincts, just not from the ENTIRE community. Incidents like the one described in the OP don't do anything to mitigate the image of some cops as astonishingly heavy-handed.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:05:45 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:01:29 2012.

Does sound like selective enforcement but an "Okay, officer, sorry about that. " might have averted the entire broo-ha-ha.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:08:59 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:04:16 2012.

I still believe that if the city is sued because of the actions of the police, if the courts rule against the city, the costs should come out of the police budget. If then, the police force has to make cuts because of its own improper conduct, then the cuts should be made in areas where police are viewed least favorably.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:10:43 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:05:45 2012.

You're probably right. But then, I've seen cops turn a violation into a felony just by the way they did verbal judo with the person they were dealing with. Jeff Rosen once posted here that he would lock up anyone who cursed at him, and that the definition of "disorderly conduct" is very broad.

What I think he was getting at, is that you WILL lose if you challenge a cop's authority, or even if the cop THINKS he's being challenged.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jul 8 22:11:15 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:08:59 2012.

And how would you determine that?

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train2104 on Sun Jul 8 22:13:18 2012, in response to Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 21:41:42 2012.

In my mind, they should sue and they should win.

The officer(s) found to be at fault should have to pay the entire settlement and be fired. Neither other cops nor public safety should suffer due to their actions.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:13:31 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:08:59 2012.

Wouldn't that punish an entire community because some of its people view the cops negatively?

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 8 22:14:08 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jul 8 22:11:15 2012.

Subchat posts of course. :)

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jul 8 22:18:15 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 8 22:14:08 2012.

Heh.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jul 8 22:27:07 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 21:55:03 2012.

And the money should come out of the police budget

Nope. The cops involved should be forced to pay out of their own funds. And once they're done paying, fire them and revoke any pension rights.

My blog

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:41:32 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:13:31 2012.

yup,

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:46:15 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:10:43 2012.

We all know that there are some cops who will sometimes over-react to a given situation - and that over-reaction may not have to do with the incident at hand. I just think that discretion is the better part of valor and once you are arrested, right or wrong, you are at a disadvantage.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:47:36 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jul 8 22:27:07 2012.

But then the police department wold have little incentive to change some of the alleged "heavy handed" policies you object to.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 00:33:42 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:10:43 2012.

Then said cop needs to adjust their tude...and remember that there are law of this land that protects its citizens AGAINST THEM,and their issues dealing with the public.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 00:44:26 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Jul 8 22:11:15 2012.

yes..thats a VERY good question..and Id love to hear his explaination for that very off the cuff statement.

My view of police has always been less than stellar,due to the various encounters with some racist bitches wearing/hiding behind that uniform..some with very bad attitudes..

I say..send the "white cops" to WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS..and likewise send people of color to police their own..since they obliviously don't know HOW to deal..

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 00:48:23 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:08:59 2012.

Very smart of you.

I don't need to worry about problems or issues...

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 00:49:16 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:08:59 2012.

Very smart of you.

I don't need to worry about problems or issues...since We are well equipped to handle ANY PROBLEM.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 9 09:33:21 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:08:59 2012.

That wouldn't be Fair to the community because of a few morons then..

Your Opinion i dont agree.



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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 9 11:39:11 2012, in response to Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 21:41:42 2012.

The point is some cops are down right ARROGANT about the power they possess over the public. Alot of times it really goes to their heads and the professionalism goes right out the window. Just the other day at night, I was traveling in my car minding my own business when I see a dark car with dark tinted windows. The car didn't new either so I never would figure it was a cop car. The cop pulled up next to me cause he felt I didn't let him go by as the street was narrow. He was pissed they I decided to play "chicken" as he called it. How the fuck was I to know who they people are driving a dark car with tinted windows? I am not a mind reader nor do I have x-ray vision. There was total lack of professionalism here.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jul 9 12:03:34 2012, in response to Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 21:41:42 2012.

Of course you're only going by what the couple perps said what happened. It just can't be that there's more to the story. I mean, cops always tackle people to the ground for no reason.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 9 12:38:28 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 22:01:29 2012.

NYPD cops have more stringent summons quotas than they did, years ago. The City is turning them into glorified meter maids, so it can earn more revenue. You are used to see this down South, not here!

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 9 13:12:29 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jul 9 12:03:34 2012.

Sometimes, Sarge, cops DO tackle people just because they can. Not all the time, but it has been known to happen.

Trust me on this, we live on different planets, when it comes to how the police perceive and deal with us.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 14:05:24 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 9 09:33:21 2012.

we arent talking about "fair"..or at least Steve isnt...
besides..HE,you and i both know its bait for fodder..SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL?

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by umbrellaman55 on Mon Jul 9 17:14:39 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:47:36 2012.

Say it aint so Mike!

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 9 19:14:15 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 00:44:26 2012.

Tangentally related, is there any statistic of the racial distribution of "bad cops"? Admittedly this is only an impression but it seems every bad cop we hear about is white...

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by merrick1 on Mon Jul 9 20:13:50 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 9 19:14:15 2012.

Aren't almost all NYPD cops white? I walk by a precinct house every day on my way to work and almost all the cops I see are white.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 9 20:37:18 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by merrick1 on Mon Jul 9 20:13:50 2012.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576066302323002420.html

NO!

"At the end of 2010, the New York City Police Department had the most diverse force in its history, with a majority of rank-and-file police officers coming from minority communities, officials said.

"Of the 22,199 officers on patrol, nearly 53% were black, Latino or Asian, marking the first time minorities outnumbered whites by any significant measure, according to police department statistics reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Minorities had been in a dead-heat with white patrol officers since late 2006, and began inching toward a majority in 2008.

"The trend has brought the department's racial breakdown closer to the overall ethnic makeup of the city.


"To be sure, the department's white members are still the majority, comprising 53% of the 34,526-member police force and holding an overwhelming majority when it comes to the higher ranks, especially in executive positions. Numbers from 2010 show only fractional increases in minority officers joining the ranks of detectives, sergeants, lieutenants and captains, bolstering critics' claims that the force is not making enough of an effort to diversify its command structure."


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RCMP Jamming in the Woods

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 9 22:09:52 2012, in response to Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 8 21:41:42 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KTnLVzI2q4&feature=youtu.be


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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 9 23:25:39 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jul 8 22:27:07 2012.

So the police should be fired, forced to pay out of their own pockets, and lose their pensions for enforcing a legit rule and reg and law? How crowded or empty the plat is is irrelevant.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 9 23:27:27 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train2104 on Sun Jul 8 22:13:18 2012.

And why is this? Because the police had the gall to tell a couple to stop dancing on the plat, a violation of the regs?

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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 10 00:49:38 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 9 19:14:15 2012.

Not so...I've come across a few "bad cops" who were people of color..once not too long ago sitting on my steps inside my gate of my home wanting to know why I was outside in my pajamas..!

"Take your ass in the house,put some real clothing on,get off my fucking street" does not sound like someone I'd want walking in my neighborhood carrying a firearm,with arrest powers.

By the way..my response was.."I paid for this fucking house with my money I EARNED..So If I want to dance naked in MY YARD...I'll do it..and there's nothing anyone can do about it!As for You..you need to learn to address people better and not be so damned rude,thank you very much.."`



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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 10 02:10:29 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jul 9 12:03:34 2012.

According to you, police NEVER do wrong.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 10 05:59:36 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 9 23:25:39 2012.

How crowded or empty the plat is is irrelevant.

It's completely relevant. If the platform is empty, there's no traffic to impede.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 10 06:01:40 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 9 11:39:11 2012.

How the fuck was I to know who they people are driving a dark car with tinted windows?

Because civilians aren't allowed to have tinted windows in New York.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jul 10 07:03:47 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 9 23:27:27 2012.

How is dancing a violation of any rules? They were charged with "obstructing" the platform, but they were NOT obstructing it. The charges were dropped, because it was clear there was no case.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jul 10 09:18:51 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 14:05:24 2012.

There is no Big Deal im just giving my opinion like he gave his..



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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 10 13:36:34 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:05:45 2012.

It usually does...

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 10 13:38:40 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 9 00:33:42 2012.

True enough. This part of why we rebelled against Great Britain (see Amendments 3, 4, & 5). At the same time, I;d rather avoid arrest, and file a complaint later....but that's just me.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 10 17:22:58 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 8 22:46:15 2012.

Any cop who has that kind of attitude needs to lose his job on the spot and the taxpayers need to make the victim RICH.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 17:48:20 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 10 17:22:58 2012.

Totally idiotic statement, mike.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 10 17:49:35 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 17:48:20 2012.

Would you prefer Stasi?

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 17:51:10 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 10 05:59:36 2012.

No it is not relevant. If you make it so then the law becomes subjective and unenforceable.

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 10 17:53:49 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 17:48:20 2012.

Is that unusual for him?

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 17:55:51 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Jul 10 17:49:35 2012.

I prefer sanity. "The taxpayers should make them rich" is hardly a rational statement. People should be made whole if there are damages. The fucking civil courts should not be a lottery. Where is making these people "rich" even remotely justified - even based on the one-sided version of the story we are privy to? We are the tax-payers. That includes you. Do you want your taxes to go for services or to pay for outrageous lawsuits? Are you willing to live without municipal water so these people can be paid? Or maybe fire protection for a year?

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Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 10 17:56:57 2012, in response to Re: Arrested For Dancing On Subway Platform, Couple Sues NYPD, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 10 17:53:49 2012.

I happen to like him personally but sometimes his views are a bit more than extreme.

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