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44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Jun 30 23:55:34 2012

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Little Ones, the Subway and the Law
Attention, parents: You may not realize it, but if you have a 7-year-old or a willowy 6- or 5-year-old, you are likely breaking the law.

Yeah, you with the pig-tailed, 7-year-old daughter with the Hello Kitty backpack who just oh-so-cutely ducked under the subway turnstile. She's a fare-beater.

Little-known and -enforced city rule: if your kid is eye-to-eye with the top of the turnstile—44 inches, to be exact—he or she is supposed be a full-fledged MetroCard-bearing New Yorker.

Didn't know? You're not alone. Many parents and children are unaware (Even Metropolitan Transportation Authority board member Charles Moerdler says he didn't even know the rule existed until this week).

Even those in the know don't necessarily abide by the rules.

"Ninety-five percent of the time, they don't do it," said Althea Outten, an MTA agent working at the Bowling Green subway station this week, referring to parents and youths taller than 44 inches who don't swipe.

"We tell them if they're taller than that turnstile, they should pay," she added.

The issue of fare-beating made headlines this week, when the MTA estimated it could lose roughly $100 million this year due to fare-beaters on buses and subway lines.

Stepped-up enforcement by the New York Police Department has resulted in a more than 100% increase in fare-beating arrests in the first six months of the year, (Brooklyn, that beacon of biking, was the only borough that did not have an increase in such arrests.)

The MTA's focus was on adult fare-beaters on buses.

But what about the children? The authority wouldn't reveal how much of a factor children play in the fare-beating problem.

Last year, the Daily News reported that an agency staff report presented at a conference found that 43% of fare-beaters were kids taller than 44 inches ducking under turnstiles. At the time, the Daily News said the authority was considering placing signs near turnstiles to make riders aware of the rule.

Bowling Green is the only subway station that has one: Near the turnstiles at every subway entrance is a blue sign with a yellow ruler. The 44-inch point is marked and the sign says: "When accompanied by an adult, up to 3 children under 44 inches in height, ride free."

Hmmm. So if you have four babies in tow, you have to pay for one. Who knew? But it doesn't clearly spell out that if a parent has even one child over 44 inches, he or she must pay (though that information is posted on booths).

A spokesman for the MTA said the Bowling Green sign was part of a pilot program that began last year to inform commuters that the requirement exists. He said the agency is studying whether it's feasible to put them up across the entire system.

The signs seem to go unnoticed by most. Within a 30-minute span, I witnessed the following:

• A girl at least a foot taller than 44 inches complained to her guardians that her back hurt too much to duck under, and so one of the adults she was with opened the emergency door to let her through.

• A man watched three boys he was with—all taller than 44 inches—duck under the turnstile after him.

• A woman had her children double up: swiping to get her two children in for the price of one.

I approached two ice-cream-eating boys who had just ducked under a turnstile. I asked them how old they were.

"Twelve," they both said.

I asked them how often they duck under.

"Most of the time," one of them said.

A police officer came sauntering over.

"You need to pay your fare, young men," he said sternly.

The kids seemed stunned as he asked where their school MetroCards were. One said he gave it to a friend.

"This is how you start your life the right way," he continued. "What I can do right now is I can take you as a juvenile delinquent…."

I couldn't hear the rest of the conversation, but it ended with them boarding the subway and the officer telling me that he gave them a warning and to call public affairs for any information.

The situation over at the Roosevelt Island Tramway is a bit different. Operated by the Roosevelt Island Operating Corp., the tram formerly required fares for children over age 5, according to a spokeswoman, but when it reopened after an overhaul in 2010 the corporation started using the 44-inch benchmark.

Now, both stations have unassuming yellow stickers marking the 44-inch level at the turnstiles. And most passengers—largely tourists and Roosevelt Island residents—seem to swipe for their children.

Most tram employees say they enforce the height rule within reason. If a kid is a few inches over or a tourist has a gaggle of kids and not enough swipes for one, they're not going to go call the jack-booted guards.

But Matt Hernandez, a station attendant on the Manhattan side, said he has to remind people every day and deal with resisting adults.

Many people argue that their kids get on the subway just fine, he said, falsely believing that the MTA rules are governed by age.

It's hard to complain about the MTA not cracking down on child fare-beaters. In fact, we should probably applaud them, though one has to wonder why the rule exists to begin with.

Surely the barrier should be higher—50 inches, maybe—or be tied to age. (Why should the little people get a free pass for life?)

I, for one, have a 4 ½ year old and at the rate he's growing he will likely hit the 44-inch mark in a year or so. My husband and I already sign away more than $200 to the MTA every month, so I have no intention of paying full fare for him until he can pay for it himself.

But I'm a New Yorker. The tourists we should be hitting up. Dan Riley of Atlanta was wandering around the Bowling Green station with his daughter when I asked if he had paid for her. Actually, he said, he was prepared to pay fare for the two of them when the attendant said his daughter could just duck under. Sophie is just 6 and the attendant obviously didn't have a measuring stick.

But because the sign was present, we had her stand up against it.

She was a good inch or two taller: a fare-beater at the ripe age of 6.

---http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303649504577494901612577964.html

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 1 00:09:05 2012, in response to 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Jun 30 23:55:34 2012.

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So MTA's not normal, eh. Lots of agencies have the rule about over a certain age and under a certain height where they charge a half-fare for children, and over the height is full fare.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 1 07:04:01 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 1 00:09:05 2012.

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It would be kind of hard to implement a half-fare system for children on the subway. Are they going to sell special children's Metrocards?

It used to be based on age - I think children five and up had to pay. Or could five-year-olds get in free, meaning it was at age six that you had to pay? Certainly, seven-year-olds always had to pay. The three children per adult limit was imposed (I think) at the same time they switched to the height-based rule. I've never heard of it really being enforced, though.

How high are the current turnstiles? I think they are less than 44 inches (floor to the bottom edge of the bar), but not too much less. Meaning kids that have to duck their heads just a bit would be OK, but not those who really have to bend down.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jul 1 07:45:08 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 1 07:04:01 2012.

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There is also another issue - the "ease of ducking under the turnstyle". Little kids can easily and EFFORTLESSLY duck under the turnstyle, while bigger kids have to get down on their knees and crawl under in an obvious movement that requires effort - usually at that point, I say it is time that the kids (or their parents) start paying.

Mike



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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 1 19:26:11 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 1 07:04:01 2012.

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The rule should be as follows:

Up to three children may ride for free if:
* They are accompanied by a fare-paying adult at least 18 years of age,
* They have not yet reached their 5th birthday (For children born on February 29, March 1 of the calendar year 5 years after their birth is considered their 5th birthday),
and
* They are less than 44 inches (112 cm) tall.

Children who exceed either the age or height limits above must pay full fare.

Unaccompanied minors must pay full fare, except if:
* They are traveling to or from school or extracurricular activity, and
* They use a Free Fare MetroCard provided by the school they attend.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 1 20:56:18 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 1 19:26:11 2012.

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And are the accompanying adults expected to carry around a birth certificate for each child?

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 1 21:00:44 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 1 20:56:18 2012.

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It's sorta become a requirement the past couple of years ... and gotta be the LONG form. :)

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 1 21:07:57 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 1 20:56:18 2012.

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Proper pedigree papers would not hurt either.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Handbrake on Sun Jul 1 22:55:16 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 1 19:26:11 2012.

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Taken from a 1970's NYCTA train ad:
"Good enough to ride for free, good enough to ride your knee..."

From what I have seen, under 44'er have no problem taking up seats on a crowded subway car or bus while full fare paying rider stands.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 1 23:20:16 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Handbrake on Sun Jul 1 22:55:16 2012.

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Absolutely so!

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 2 01:04:01 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 1 21:07:57 2012.

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Wrong country.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule – WSJ article

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 2 01:08:51 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jul 1 07:45:08 2012.

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Not an issue in the case of full-height turnstiles.



Now the older-style turnstiles a baseball player could slide under . . . unless there's a transit cop playing umpire to declare that he's not safe at home . . .



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Re: 44 inches in height rule – WSJ article

Posted by WillD on Mon Jul 2 02:14:44 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule – WSJ article, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 2 01:08:51 2012.

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Not an issue in the case of full-height turnstiles.

Except that they're a dangerous impediment in the event of an evacuation and thus must be accompanied by an emergency gate which allows almost anyone to enter, then open the gate to let the rest of their friends in. After all, there is no need to keep the fare media, so once you let them evade they're literally home free.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Jul 2 08:18:47 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 1 20:56:18 2012.

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My Parents did, then again I was 6' tall by 6th grade and had been thrown out of children section of the Library two years before.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 3 00:53:18 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 1 20:56:18 2012.

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It wouldn't hurt...

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 3 07:44:03 2012, in response to 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Jun 30 23:55:34 2012.

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Well, this calls for a bit or reasonableness.

Id; clarify it morally, if not legally by putting it this way to parents: If you'd let your kid ride by himself (even to school), he needs to pay, whether or not accompanied by you. If you won't let him out of the house alone yet, there's room for reasonableness.

How to enforce that when a cop SEES a parent tell a child to duck under? I haven't figured that one out yet, LOL.

But if a cop sees a kid evade the fare unaccomapanied, formal action should be taken. Before you send your kids out alone, teach them about the fare.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 3 16:19:44 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 1 20:56:18 2012.

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And so the reason for the 44" rule comes up.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Jul 3 17:52:04 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 3 07:44:03 2012.

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"How to enforce that when a cop SEES a parent tell a child to duck under? I haven't figured that one out yet, LOL."


The parent is ticketed for fare evasion.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Jul 3 18:00:56 2012, in response to 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Jun 30 23:55:34 2012.

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A little off topic, but this city desperately needs an overhaul of the fare system. The MTA should have a family pass to make life easier. For example a day pass that cost $20 that can be used by five people, reinstating the $7 fun pass (stop fleecing tourist with pay-per-ride) and having all pay-per-ride fares last two hours regardless of how many times you re-enter the system, so no more of that fake OOS transfer where you lose your bus transfer.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by B1bus on Wed Jul 4 17:14:54 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Jul 3 18:00:56 2012.

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The tourists I see are usually using single-ride-tickets.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 17:20:31 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by B1bus on Wed Jul 4 17:14:54 2012.

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they are newbies... mta likes making $

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by B1bus on Wed Jul 4 20:54:13 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 17:20:31 2012.

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I try to explain sometimes, and they think I'm crazy or they don't speak english. Occasionally, I get through to them and get a thank you.

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Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jul 5 08:21:10 2012, in response to Re: 44 inches in height rule - WSJ article, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Jul 3 17:52:04 2012.

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Ok.

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