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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 21 15:47:10 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by merrick1 on Thu Jun 21 06:49:04 2012.

What do these linear induction trains really accomplish that a 2 or 3 car train of R142's or R143's could not ?

TTC is replacing their Scarborough things with LRV's.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 21 15:55:16 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 21 11:35:37 2012.

And have maybe 2 non-airport stops at Ditmars/Steinway and Hazen/21st Ave, then on to LGA.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 21 16:09:50 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 21 15:55:16 2012.

Yes. Of course. Maybe also another stop on Steinway at 30th Ave.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Gene B. on Thu Jun 21 19:06:15 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 21 09:33:13 2012.

La Guardia is more of a commuter and light luggage airport than JFK. People would be more apt to use the subway for a direct run into Manhattan if they do not have a lot of luggage to carry.

I think the 111 St. route is much more feasible because of the lack of residential NIMBYs, but the taxicab lobby would be hard at work.

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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by merrick1 on Thu Jun 21 19:20:45 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 21 12:03:26 2012.

Isn't Seattle two separate tracks with one train on each?

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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jun 21 20:16:24 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by merrick1 on Thu Jun 21 19:20:45 2012.

Correct. Though sometimes, things go amiss:





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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 21 21:24:45 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 21 12:47:47 2012.

What I meant was use those tunnels for LIRR GCT access, not for subways.

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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jun 21 22:12:10 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by merrick1 on Thu Jun 21 19:20:45 2012.

My mistake about Seattle, but the technology existed in the 1950s and was used for Tokyo in 1964, only two years after Seattle's opened.

Tokyo Monorail even added passing loops later for express service.

Also in Japan, the Shonan Monorail (1970) has always been a single track operation with passing loops at most intermediate stations and runs 8 tph each direction most of the day.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Jun 21 22:34:45 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Jun 21 14:53:57 2012.

NIMBY'S would have fought anyway, but they didn't even get a bone. Imagine the Airtrain going down Guy R. Brewer Blvd not making a single stop.

I would build a new Astoria Blvd station as close as possible to the old one so it would seem like only losing on stop. But the community would gain with regularly spaced stations going to LGA and Flushing Main St. Ditmars is only a minor destination station. It's just as busy as Astoria Blvd. Ridership on the Astoria neighborhood portion of the line would go up with an extension.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 22 07:55:25 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 21 11:35:37 2012.

Can the Queens Blvd line accomodate any more pax and/or interchanges, though?

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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jun 22 08:44:20 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 21 15:47:10 2012.

Why does it have to accomplish something that a more conventional approach could not?

Ars gratia artis. Or maybe engineering for the sake of engineering.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Jun 22 09:19:58 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 22 07:55:25 2012.

Not the express tracks. But I don't see why the local tracks can't.

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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Jun 22 09:40:58 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 21 15:47:10 2012.

Climb and descend higher grades more easily than conventional traction.
Smaller underbody equipment=smaller tunnels underground while keeping capacity.
Less moving mechanical parts=less maintenance.

are usually mentioned, but all the lines in Japan that use the technology are underground lines so I don't know why JFK Airtrain adopted it.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jun 22 11:31:03 2012, in response to Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jun 20 16:13:56 2012.

Keep dreaming, Ms. Crowley. People have been dreaming about that extension to LaG for a long, long time.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 22 11:32:18 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jun 22 11:31:03 2012.

What, the 7 train in particular?

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jun 22 12:15:35 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 22 11:32:18 2012.

Oddly enough the extension wouldn't be in the new 6th congressional district which is where she is running.

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Re: M Train to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jun 22 13:04:58 2012, in response to Re: M Train to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Jun 21 14:10:11 2012.

Absolutely, which is why I would look at having the (M) and (J) swap terminals if you extended the current (M) from Metropolitan to LaGuardia, with the (J) taking over that stretch.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jun 22 14:45:54 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 22 11:32:18 2012.

Or the Astoria line.

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Re: M Train to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jun 22 14:46:29 2012, in response to Re: M Train to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 21 11:45:29 2012.

The Queens blvd stops "north" of Roosevelt NEED 2 locals that go to Manhattan... you would be undoing the purpose of the 63st tunnel by taking the M away. If they could have just "added more Rs" they would have done so...

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 22 16:12:13 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 21 16:09:50 2012.

Okay, if it's needed, we'll add 30th Ave. Is there a bus on Steinway St?

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 22 21:36:37 2012, in response to Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jun 20 16:13:56 2012.

I was at a candidates forum last night. It was Grace Meng who was suggesting an extension of the Flushing Line to LGA.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jun 25 22:37:02 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 22 16:12:13 2012.

Yes, the Q101. It has crap headways.

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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jun 25 22:46:25 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jun 20 23:59:02 2012.

Yes, that is a severe engineering issue. The Hell Gate viaduct blocks any proposed subway line running in the median.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jun 25 22:51:08 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Jun 21 22:34:45 2012.

Eliminating Ditmars will never happen. Have you ever been there? The whole commercial activity of that area revolves around the subway station. Literally hundreds of businesses would close.

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Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 26 02:05:28 2012, in response to Re: M to LGA is Easier Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jun 20 23:59:02 2012.

Subway..or more the elevated to the service road..

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 26 02:19:07 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by E and F and sometimes J on Thu Jun 21 22:34:45 2012.

Hah..guess you dont use Astoria station much,do you?
if you did..you wouldnt think it was a "minor" stop.

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Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?

Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jun 26 05:53:41 2012, in response to Re: Crowley Wants (7) Train to LaGuardia Airport ?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Jun 21 11:35:37 2012.

I thought extending the (M) to LGA would have it go through Metropolitan, which is why in my version, I proposed having the (J) and (M) swap Queens terminals and have the (J) be the line to LGA so it isn't as roundabout. Plus, it would serve lower Manhattan, which is much more residential now than years ago.

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