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CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jun 20 01:43:36 2012 http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/13273323-418/cta-plan-would-not-have-happened-on-the-brown-line.htmlA small skeptical crowd turned out Monday night — for the first of five planned community meetings — to raise concerns about the Chicago Transit Authority’s five-month shut down of the south leg of the Red Line for reconstruction next year. The use of extra buses to help make up for the loss of Red Line stops between 95th and 63rd appeared to be a major concern among the 70 or so people who showed up at the South Shore Cultural Center. Queen Parker, 74, a Roseland resident, was skeptical about the CTA’s plans, given how bad the existing bus service is. “The bus service we get out here is atrocious,” Parker said. “It’s really time consuming.” Parker suggested that whatever the number of extra buses the CTA plans to add on the South Side, they should “quadruple” it. Lionel Walker, 67, a South Shore resident, said he was disgusted with his previous experience dealing with shuttle buses during work on the Red Line in 2006. “This would not have happened on the Brown Line or any line serving the white community,” Walker said to a smattering of applause from the audience. CTA Board Chairman Terry Peterson told Walker that 100 extra buses will be added to help serve the areas affected by the Red Line project. The CTA will completely rebuild the Red Line track from Cermak Road to 95th Street — a 10-mile stretch of tracks built in 1969. During the $425 million project, the agency will offer commuters alternatives that include taking shuttle buses from closed stations on the Red Line to the Green Line at Garfield. The meetings are intended to educate the public about the project and to collect feedback to “fine tune” bus routes and transit options, said Molly Sullivan, a CTA spokeswoman. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 20 02:06:11 2012, in response to CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Dand124 on Wed Jun 20 01:43:36 2012. Well, CTA is already racist for having a Brown Line. What do they expect? |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 20 02:42:02 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 20 02:06:11 2012. cute. Fact is, the complaints are valid. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 20 02:55:54 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 20 02:06:11 2012. cute..and typical. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jun 20 07:44:38 2012, in response to CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Dand124 on Wed Jun 20 01:43:36 2012. Wouldn't preference given to the Brown Line be the exact opposite of racism? |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 09:20:39 2012, in response to CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Dand124 on Wed Jun 20 01:43:36 2012. I'm bothered by the trend to shutting down entire lines for rehab. Yes, it gets a lot of work done faster, but how eseential is transit, if you can feel comfortable not supplying service for such a long time?The Manhattan El was very proud of themselves for building the express tracks on the 2nd, 3rd and 9th without any interruption longer than (IIRC) 20 minutes, or so they claimed. When Manhattan Junction was rebuilt into what is now Broadway Junction, they ran trains through a loop in East New York Yard to maintain service. When the CTA moved the (now) Blue Line to the center of the Eisenhower Expressway, they ran the trains on a shoo-fly in the street rather than interrupt service. Not any more. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 20 11:13:47 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jun 20 07:44:38 2012. The CTA is racist against Aboriginal Americans (yes, that's the term I use, live with it). |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 20 11:36:15 2012, in response to CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Dand124 on Wed Jun 20 01:43:36 2012. With these typical northerners, they should just shut it down and point to the GM dealership. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 20 12:23:28 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 09:20:39 2012. I strongly second your POV. As a transit dependent person, full shutdown makes getting around difficult--why we built these things in the first place. This is also why I resent overnight closures which are in effect curfews for those of us not able to drive. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 12:39:56 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 20 12:23:28 2012. It's kind of like government saying: "Look how nice things will be at the end, even though we'll make your life Hell Light for five months."The only long shut-downs I thought were justified was the Williamsburg Bridge because the alternative could have been cars and trains in the East River, and the Franklin Shuttle, because it was in that bad shape, there was no place for a shoo-fly, and it looked like the alternative would have been abandonment. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 20 13:11:27 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 12:39:56 2012. Right, but having ridden the Garfield Park "shoe-fly" while the Congress median was being built, I know it can be done.Frankly, if CTA had balls, they would take over the express lanes of the Dan Ryan for the buses to guarantee decent service. The other option which I have advocated elsewhere is the Gray Line proposal for restoring short headway service on the underused Metra Electric which has stations connecting to many of the same crosstown buses WITH CTA fares. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 13:37:01 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 20 13:11:27 2012. Or, they could take over one express lane at a time for the temporary track. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 20 13:47:55 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 13:37:01 2012. right. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 20 16:47:30 2012, in response to CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Dand124 on Wed Jun 20 01:43:36 2012. Analogies aren't there. The Lake and South Side el had to be structurally rebuilt end to end.All they did with the Ravenswood Branch and local North Side L south of Belmont is extend platforms 100 feet, though the Fullerton and Belmont stations were rebuilt from scratch with 3 tracking thru a short area. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 20 16:48:40 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 09:20:39 2012. They could leverage use of Metra Electric and Rock Island with a little thought. Both are under-used. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jun 21 00:08:57 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 20 11:13:47 2012. Just as long as they don't cut service on the Shanghai Swift or the LBGT Line. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 21 07:57:43 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jun 21 00:08:57 2012. What is "LBGT" line ? Do you mean "LGBT" ?In any case "Boystown" runs between Belmont and Addison on the Red line. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jun 21 12:33:08 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jun 20 12:23:28 2012. We build them, they get old, and if we don't fix them, they become worthless.CTA has precident, didn't they shut the entire Green Line for 2 years in the 1990s... |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 21 13:24:18 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by The Silence on Thu Jun 21 12:33:08 2012. yes,and by the time that happened, ridership had migrated to the Red because the Green was very slow and had longer headways. Also, if you go around along the Green line today, there are many vacant lots where businesses and housing used to stand. The South Side is seriously in need of investment both financial and human. |
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Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism) |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jun 21 14:08:26 2012, in response to Re: CTA plan ‘would not have happened on the Brown Line’ (CTA accused of racism), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 21 13:24:18 2012. and that investment starts with good transportation. If the network is not up to spec, what's the point? |
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