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Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012


SEEEEEEEE YA!

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 21:41:10 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

Going to Naparano I believe? Just like the R10-R30 cars went in the late 1980s to early 1990s.





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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Jun 5 22:49:45 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

WTF!!!

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by 7 Local on Tue Jun 5 23:08:49 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

Abate and scrap has begun?

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 23:44:17 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

5417 was also filmed a lot as there are a lot of videos of that car in action.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jun 6 00:01:45 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

*Pours Out Some Seltzer for the fallen*

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 6 15:15:36 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 21:41:10 2012.

They're probably being trucked out for scrap. Ironically, this was on Broadway, running *over* where they used to run on tracks....

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by mike cruz on Wed Jun 6 17:13:49 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by CJ on Tue Jun 5 21:41:10 2012.

Heh all those roll signs.............. =(

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by mike cruz on Wed Jun 6 17:14:44 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

No SBK this year?

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 6 18:29:08 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

Well,i guess the end has indeed come for them then.I will miss them and i have fond memories of operating and photographing them.GOODBYE R-44s!!!(Pouring out the Seltzer in their memory)...

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Widecab5 on Wed Jun 6 21:31:07 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jun 6 15:15:36 2012.

It looks like a specialty trailer used by Silk Road Transport (Arkport, NY), which runs these kind of jobs for just about all the transit operators in North America. The SIR moves were a different trailer painted blue and required that the bodies be loaded on a set of trucks. This thing appears to be adjustable in length and has recepticles for the kingpins to hold onto. No trucks beneath.

The address for Rosario's Salon is 4977 Broadway just north of 207 Street station. Looks like the picture was taken at some kind of currency exchange.

There are a number of possible destinations--time will tell us which is correct.

Regards,

George Chiasson Jr.
(Widecab5@aol.com)



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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Jun 6 22:38:03 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Jun 6 18:29:08 2012.

and away we go,,(Pouring out the Seltzer in their memory)

WE-44

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Stef on Wed Jun 6 23:09:14 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Widecab5 on Wed Jun 6 21:31:07 2012.

Currency Exchange? Looks like the inside of a check cashing firm, Mr. Widecab.

-Stef

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by bklyntekgeek on Thu Jun 7 08:47:13 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Westcode44 on Wed Jun 6 22:38:03 2012.

Same here. I'm pouring out a glass of wine in their tribute. I still miss them.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jun 7 09:51:17 2012, in response to Speaking of R-44s...., posted by G1Ravage on Tue Jun 5 19:57:28 2012.

Interesting. I guess they found the money to get reid of them...some TA employees had posted on here thatit was lack of funds them kept them laying around this past year or so...

Well, if they're not going to run, they should go, as room will be needed in the yards...

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jun 7 10:10:42 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Stef on Wed Jun 6 23:09:14 2012.

Not just any check cashing firm, but the Pay-O-Matic across the street from the address listed previously.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Widecab5 on Fri Jun 8 13:35:50 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Stef on Wed Jun 6 23:09:14 2012.

OK. That's a Chicago term.

Evidence so far suggests these R-44's might be going down to the COSTCO Yard in Brooklyn before heading off to Jersey and disintegration.

Why not by rail I dunno?!?

Anyone care to take a "stab" at it?

Regards,

George Chiasson Jr.
(Widecab5@aol.com)

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Jun 8 14:24:30 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Widecab5 on Fri Jun 8 13:35:50 2012.

.... before heading off to Jersey and disintegration.

I knew the air was bad in some parts of Jersey but OMG!! :)

--Mark

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 14:57:13 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Widecab5 on Fri Jun 8 13:35:50 2012.

I'll throw a question back at you: Is the entire SBK Track from the West End Line to Costco out of service? That could be a possibility. I know that the flat car and the old ramp used for putting GOH Cars on the rails no longer exists. Next question: is the new alignment from what was the old SBK Yard to 1st Avenue in service? It would make no sense to drop cars by Costco if there's no track connection in any direction.

Silk Road MIGHT be taking the 44's directly into Bush Terminal.

Why not have Silk Road go all the way to the scrapper instead? Would that be a money saver? It costs money to ship by BOTH truck and rail.

-Stef

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 8 15:01:16 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by bklyntekgeek on Thu Jun 7 08:47:13 2012.

Where was all the love BEFORE they were unfairly retired?

I loved the R44 before it was cool, you know ...

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Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 15:05:08 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 14:57:13 2012.

Will there be a "purge" of sorts at 207th St? I'm sure the suits would like to see other cars (besides the 44's) leave the property.

-Stef

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 8 15:13:12 2012, in response to Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 15:05:08 2012.

What's there that are revenue inactive, besides the museum train(s)?

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 16:09:01 2012, in response to Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 15:05:08 2012.

Those R-44s that were scrapped off the property were taken from Pitkin Yard. Prior to being moved up town, all freon was removed. After sitting idle for 2 years, the HVAC was still working.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 16:10:04 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 8 15:13:12 2012.

Unused R32's, R42's, R110B, School Car R30's. The R12/14/22 trio slated for the Museum were broken up so their future is uncertain as one car (7486) was stripped. Something's going out.

-Stef

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 16:11:28 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 16:09:01 2012.

Thanx for the info, Steve!

-Stef

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 16:20:00 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 16:11:28 2012.

Not a problem.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 16:21:01 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 16:10:04 2012.

Some school cars are being converted to "flagging quarters" for forthcoming G.O.s

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by CJ on Fri Jun 8 19:41:01 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 8 15:01:16 2012.

I still liked them before they were retired in 2010. They accelerated pretty fast on the A line back in 2000. That was a rocket ride from Broadway Junction to 14th Street.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Jun 8 21:02:59 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 8 15:01:16 2012.

Yeah. I liked em too, and they were absolutely HATED on here when they were in service.

They were my idea of what a subway car should be.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 21:22:38 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by J trainloco on Fri Jun 8 21:02:59 2012.

Personally, I was always partial to the R-46 - growing up in Jamaica but after I inherited the 44s, I developed a strong appreciation for them.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Jun 8 21:35:50 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 14:57:13 2012.

Behind the Costco lot is full of parked cars

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Jun 9 09:40:33 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Widecab5 on Fri Jun 8 13:35:50 2012.

If Frontier is taking them, they should get them directly. When the PA1-4 cars went out, they went with all the typical EPA No-Nos as Frontier is a compliant scrapper. In the late 80s or at least before overhaul, I remember some of the R44s getting abatement for their overaul projects at 207 main shops. Did the one pictured (5417) make it to Costco? Maybe somebody else is disposing of the cars, or even Kawasaki or other builders are responsible for scrapping in the contracts. For every PA5 KAW delivered, they were required to remove one car off the property.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by mike cruz on Sat Jun 9 18:15:26 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Stef on Fri Jun 8 14:57:13 2012.

Actually Stef the small yard and "NEW" ramp are cleaned & in place right outside the fence for the live system.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by mike cruz on Sat Jun 9 18:16:24 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 16:21:01 2012.

Flagging quarters?

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Stef on Sat Jun 9 18:29:14 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by mike cruz on Sat Jun 9 18:15:26 2012.

Good to know boss, thanks! And now for a side note:

FYI, OL912 is still testing on the IRT, it came out last night. It was coupled once again with N2, a rider car, and a flat car as an addition. The new loco is now facing north rather than south from previously.

I wonder when the loco will be permitted to run on its own? I think the true test will come when another loco arrives in the system, then Transit could see how a new pair of R156's perform. Wonder if another diesel is headed in?

-Stef

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by bklyntekgeek on Sat Jun 9 20:20:37 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 21:22:38 2012.

I was always fond of the R-44's. Been here on the A line since I moved from the city as a kid to marriage life. I still got a photo of me and my wife with the R-44 in the background for her birthday.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by J trainloco on Sun Jun 10 07:59:54 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Stef on Sat Jun 9 18:29:14 2012.

Still testing on the IRT? There have been recent GOs posted indicating that it would be testing in and around the 38th street yard.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by 7 Local on Sun Jun 10 09:32:03 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 8 16:09:01 2012.

I wonder if they're going to salvage some parts, like the rollsigns or side signs for memorabilia sales.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 10:26:18 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by 7 Local on Sun Jun 10 09:32:03 2012.

The side signs need a 37 VDC power supply and several other components to operate. I doubt that the average railfan would have the technical know-how. Besides, those parts are compatible with R-46 side signs so I'm sure that they are being stock piled at Pitkin and Jamaica Shops.

The End Signs are mechanically compatible but the wiring for the light has to be changed to get a (44) sign to work on a (46). Those might pop up at foamer shows but again, you need 37 VDC for them to operate.

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by mike cruz on Sun Jun 10 11:23:48 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by J trainloco on Sun Jun 10 07:59:54 2012.

Isn't this a long time to test? or are they just testing it when needed on jobs?

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 10 11:35:49 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 10:26:18 2012.

With a variable voltage power supply and some crimps, it shouldn't be that difficult to get a End sign working at home, or I there something I am forgetting?

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jun 10 11:49:32 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Jun 8 14:24:30 2012.

I knew the air was bad in some parts of Jersey but OMG!! :)

--Mark


If left on their trucks, and towed down to the "chemical coast" by the NJ Turnpike, they'll disintegrate before your eyes !

Bill Newkirk



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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 12:13:21 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 10 11:35:49 2012.

Not in the least. There is a 3 pin connector.

1) Motor
2) Lamp
3) Ground

If you can handle that then it should be okay. But that's the end sign. The side signs need the same power supply, the ODK (operator's display Keyboard), An SCU (sign control unit) and at least one LCD sign. and the wiring between all 3

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 10 12:36:46 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 12:13:21 2012.

So a DPDT switch for the motor, an on/off toggle switch for the lamp would suffice for the end sign, right?


For the side sign, maybe it could be made to operate with an Arduino instead...

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 12:47:01 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 10 12:36:46 2012.

SPST for the light. No switch for the motor is necessary. There is a rocker switch on the sign that allows the motor to run forward or reverse w/center off.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 10 12:52:28 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 12:47:01 2012.

Even more convenient in that case!

Any idea what amount of current the thing draws?

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Re: Speaking of R-44s....

Posted by Stef on Sun Jun 10 12:56:59 2012, in response to Re: Speaking of R-44s...., posted by J trainloco on Sun Jun 10 07:59:54 2012.

Testing on the IRT from 239th St (nights) continues through 06/16.

Testing on the Dyre Line (Track Y3) continues during the day through 06/29.

-Stef

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 12:58:41 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 10 12:52:28 2012.

No but I'd guess 3-4 amps would be okay. The inverter ballast for the light may be and amp or two and the motor maybe another 2 amps at full load. But keep in mind that the sign will function down to about 26 volts so even if the motor loads down the power supply the light should remail lit for the brief time that the motor is turning.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 10 13:02:31 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 12:58:41 2012.

Seems simple enough then. Just need an SPST switch for the light and a variable voltage power supply that can supply enough current to do so.

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Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Jun 10 13:06:45 2012, in response to Re: Next Up (Re: Speaking of R-44s....)?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 10 12:47:01 2012.

If those are the same motors, I got an R40's box to run off a MRC Tech II with low level lighting

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