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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:47 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. Heading to Rock Park Yard |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Sat May 26 08:34:21 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. Harry? |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:38:50 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Fulton Frank on Sat May 26 08:34:21 2012. (H) is the symbol for the Rockaway Park Shuttle. The map shows (S) but for those of us who work down in the railroad the correct symbol is (H). |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Sat May 26 08:42:16 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:38:50 2012. Ob yes yes. Years ago.Anyway thanks for the good info. Gotta do an rfw run to the sea. Something I never did in my days living in Brooklyn or LI. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat May 26 08:46:45 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. Yeah and those R46's already got their signs changed to Charlie over at Pitkin im sure the rainfanners are out and about now snapping away.. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 08:51:34 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Railman718 on Sat May 26 08:46:45 2012. Obviously the air conditioning issues with the R32's are not being resolved with the SMS.Sad. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 08:56:03 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 08:51:34 2012. The idiocy of premature scrapping the R-44s, will come back to bite the current TA execs in the ass every summer until the R-179s are delivered and the inevitable problems are worked out. This is what happens when you allow equipment decisions to be made by non-equipment people. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat May 26 08:57:23 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 08:56:03 2012. This is what happens when you allow equipment decisions to be made by non-equipment people.Word... |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:57:29 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 08:56:03 2012. Its not like some cant be put back in dervice, a few of them still have their organs. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat May 26 08:58:18 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 08:51:34 2012. Bill take it from me..SMS=SMH.. I see no difference in operation than than they are a bit more quiet.. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat May 26 08:58:53 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:57:29 2012. Then some bean counter will say it costs too much to put a car back in service they plan to scrap.... |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 26 08:59:55 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 08:56:03 2012. How many R44 sets are still operable? If it is a low amount, would the costs of maintaining a small oddball fleet AND the R32s still be lower than the cost of continuing to run all R32s? |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 09:10:35 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:57:29 2012. Prior to their early retirement, there was a $19 million investment in 172 R-44s. By 2009/2010, the performance of those cars had exceeded their historic highs and surpassed the R-46s. There were three options on the table.1) Continue the Pitkin Shop enhancement program, which was succeeding. 2) Mothball the non-enhanced 100 cars and retain the 172 car fleet. 3) Scrap the 60 R-44s which were identified as having suspected compromised frames and retain a fleet of 212 enhanced cars. Since the (C) needed just 144 cars + 24 to 28 spares, virtually any of the three options would have allowed the R-32s to be mercifully put down. Instead, it seems that certain people came in with another agenda and were not confused by the proven results of the fleet. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 09:16:14 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Dj Hammers on Sat May 26 08:59:55 2012. None! There are roughly 80 cars that could be restored and pressed back into service but since it was the "enhanced" cars that were cannibalized first for their wheels/axles and controller parts (for the R-68 SMS Program) the 80 restore-able cars would not have been enhanced and would not perform well enough to make their resurrection worth while. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 09:51:50 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. 4 10 car sets are currently sitting at Rockaway Park Yard. Most likely they will only see Shuttle service this holiday weekend and hit up the (A) Tuesday AM rush in Service out of Rockaway Park. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 09:56:39 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 09:51:50 2012. At this time there is a set in Service to Far Rockaway. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by monorail on Sat May 26 10:05:25 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. so where are the 42's going??????????? |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 10:14:58 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by monorail on Sat May 26 10:05:25 2012. The IRT!!!!! |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 26 10:19:47 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. Time to saddle up the camera!!! :-) |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 10:32:35 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 26 10:19:47 2012. YEP!!! Time to get the slide film ready...R32s and R42s on the "A" and "Heritage" units on NS to look for-This Summer's going to be a busy one photography wise... |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 10:32:45 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 09:10:35 2012. 32s LIVE FOREVER! |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 26 10:33:16 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by monorail on Sat May 26 10:05:25 2012. The R42's are also probably going to the A. The R32's were only in 8 car trains so more cars are needed for the A to make 10 cars. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 26 11:12:07 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 09:56:39 2012. Woohoo! RFW's over the Flats and up the CPW dash! Here we go! :) |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 11:45:25 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 26 11:12:07 2012. what they need to do is just send them R32 at least half of them to the (B), maybe that would be smarter, instead of doing the same shit every year, why is the TA is so damn stupid, they do stupid things all the damn time, this is why we need someone that makes sense because if they do this every summer for the next 5-7 years, then theres something wrong |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 12:02:52 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 11:45:25 2012. I think the summer fleet should remain all year round until new equipment arrives. Ut keeps the (C) full lentgh which is needed during rush hour. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by CJ on Sat May 26 12:07:19 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 09:10:35 2012. So that's what really happened to the R44s? Wow just wow. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 12:14:43 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. So, will the H run with R32's also? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 26 12:31:01 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 12:02:52 2012. The problem is the remaining R32 and R42 cannot hold up on a 24/7 line like the A until new equipment comesI wondered why they did not move the R32/R42 to Jamaica to operate on the R and move R46 from the R to the A/C |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat May 26 12:44:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 26 12:31:01 2012. The (R) would have the same issue as the (C) line as the (R) doesn't go outside on its route. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Amtrak guy on Sat May 26 12:44:56 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat May 26 10:19:47 2012. Dumb question that may have been answered but how do you run opto with r32 equipment? Thanks in advance. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 12:50:39 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Amtrak guy on Sat May 26 12:44:56 2012. You don't |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 26 12:54:03 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat May 26 12:44:44 2012. duh - my brain is a little slow todaylooking at lines that run outside only the B really makes sense as they really would not be any help to the M on weekends with OPTO in a swap with 4 car R160 sets |
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Posted by Amtrak guy on Sat May 26 12:55:37 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 12:50:39 2012. Ok thank you kind sir...........one more question then are they running in 10 car sets or 5 or 4? Thanks again |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 12:56:31 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 11:45:25 2012. Because they keep the cars assigned to the same barn since the shop (207) has the spare parts and most importantly, the shop forces know the cars since they work on them all the time. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 13:01:19 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 12:14:43 2012. That's up to the dispatcher on duty @ Rock. Pk. since full length trains are run on the weekend shuttle from Memorial Day to Labor Day. All they need is 3 trains.Why not run R46's if available? Safer for the c/r. R32's in the yard can take the weekend off and be used on the Rock Park "specials". Half trip, then lay up. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 26 13:20:25 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 09:10:35 2012. "Instead, it seems that certain people came in with another agenda and were not confused by the proven results of the fleet."Raifans took over the MTA and made sure they had their R32 railfan windows? :) |
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Posted by monorail on Sat May 26 13:33:43 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Amtrak guy on Sat May 26 12:44:56 2012. only able to open doors on the t/o's side... |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 26 13:38:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 08:56:03 2012. Truth.A riders are going to be pissed when they have to ride sweltering R32's. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 14:32:29 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 13:01:19 2012. Not this weekend, they out in full force to the Rock. I mean full force. Today is the day to get a run on the flats............Until layup time...... |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat May 26 14:43:31 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 26 13:38:44 2012. A line riders rode the 32s last summer. I don't recall any massive protests. Not every 32 car has bad A/C. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 14:51:56 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat May 26 14:43:31 2012. It wasn't massive, but they were bitching. Experienced it firsthand..............Im expecting the same this go around...... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 15:04:34 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Amtrak guy on Sat May 26 12:55:37 2012. On the A, they will be running R-32s in 10 car consists. On the (H), I believe that will also be the case. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 15:05:29 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 26 13:20:25 2012. That could be. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 15:06:52 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 12:56:31 2012. You wouldn't know it by the way their cars perform :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 15:08:32 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 26 13:38:44 2012. As long as the 32s run outside for part of their run, the compressor motors will not overheat and shut down. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 15:08:58 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat May 26 14:43:31 2012. I don't think the Rock Park branch riders were and will remain too happy when they get an R32 every day to and from work.These are ideal since an R32 can make a half trip up in the morning and make a half trip back in the afternoon. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:15:10 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 11:45:25 2012. The problem with putting the R-32s on the B is that the current side route signs read "Wash Hts/6 Av/West End" or "6 Av/West End" so the signs would be wrong since the B is now Concourse/6 Av/ Brighton and I doubt that the MTA is interested in installing new signs of a type that can only be used on that type of car and will not really be lasting that long. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 15:15:46 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 15:08:58 2012. Sounds like that's going to be the plan. Rock Park specials and dropouts from Far Rock.This is what they did last summer..... |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat May 26 15:23:57 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 15:15:46 2012. The Big Swaping has begun.chud1 |
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