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Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon May 7 17:09:15 2012, in response to MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 7 15:21:28 2012. For decades, the lockout time has been 18 minutesHow clueless is this media? It isn't even 15 years yet. |
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Posted by monorail on Mon May 7 19:20:59 2012, in response to MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 7 15:21:28 2012. yeah!!! |
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Posted by LA Scott on Mon May 7 19:46:32 2012, in response to MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 7 15:21:28 2012. It seems to me like the number of swipe sellers has gone way down since the 1 day pass was eliminated. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon May 7 20:03:25 2012, in response to MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 7 15:21:28 2012. The best solution would be for MTA to do like WMATA and require swipe-out of the system. It would simultaneously provide much more accurate ridership numbers. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon May 7 20:14:53 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon May 7 20:03:25 2012. That's a horrible idea. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon May 7 20:29:51 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon May 7 20:14:53 2012. Absolutely not. It took a little getting used the first few days I was here, remembering to have my farecard at the ready. Now it's second nature, and a breeze with SmarTrip. I remember the sheer delight when SmarTrip first came along and I could just cruise past the turistas and Luddite regulars who thought the smart card would be a dismal failure.Only the terminally stupid couldn't cope with it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 7 21:17:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon May 7 20:29:51 2012. It's more a terrible idea for volume. People generally arrive at the station to board at more spaced out intervals than when a train arrives. -Example 1: The 3-4 turnstiles at most queens stations will get swamped when an afternoon rush hour train arrives. People simply use the emergency gate to exit, defeating the purpose.-Example 2: Imagine rush hour at Herald Square. Three trains just arrived on the 6th ave line, and everyone's running upstairs to walk to Penn Station or PATH so they're all using the 32nd st mezzanine, at the same time local office workers are trying to get in. Someone will push open the emergency exit gates and people will use it for both directions, and they will be able to get away with it since their home station is an "example 1". The sheer number of exasperated people doing it would make enforcement virtually impossible. If you want to institute a system like that in NYC it needs to be like Japan (which has swipe/tap in/out even at the busiest stations): -Mainly Tap Cards -The turnstiles DC/Boston style but are open at all times. They will close on you and sound an alarm if you attempt to go through without presenting a proper fare instrument. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon May 7 22:02:35 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by LA Scott on Mon May 7 19:46:32 2012. Well now they should bring the fun pass back. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 8 00:30:56 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon May 7 17:09:15 2012. It's also not a scam...its like the guy in the office who buys snacks in bulk at Costco and then resells the individual items at a profit. for those of us who don't ride the subway that often it can be a great savings over PPR and single fare cards. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 8 01:27:24 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon May 7 20:29:51 2012. The PATCO line in Philly-South Jersey has had swipe out cards for many years. If they can be doing it since the 1980s, I think New York can as well. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 8 01:31:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 7 21:17:54 2012. True about some stations, but I would think the main purpose would be at stations that are prone to fraudulent use of MetroCards. |
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Posted by znufrii on Tue May 8 09:11:52 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 8 00:30:56 2012. what, the ones that say "This item not labeled for individual sale"? |
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Posted by Mike Cruz on Tue May 8 10:47:18 2012, in response to MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 7 15:21:28 2012. Gee with TOKENS this didn't happen.............. and yes some people used slugs so I already thought of that. Back to basics for once. They are in such a hurry to be on top of things they are forgetting the reasons people use the Subways. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 8 19:18:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 8 01:31:31 2012. ... Except the fraudulent use is on entry. Requiring swipe out at only the stations with illegal swipers makes no sense - you need it at the destination stations, which are either 'all of them' or only the busiest stations, which has the exact problem I described. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 8 19:26:48 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 8 01:27:24 2012. Six turnstiles handling the people exiting a four car train every 10 minutes is very different than having 12 turnstiles handling the exits of two 600' trains every 2 minutes.Plus with PATCO & DC as long as you get the card in the slot with the proper orientation, it will work. NYCT, you need the right orientation, swipe speed, and to not pull the card back while swiping... it's easier to fuck up the swipe. And now, you have double the chances of someone clogging up a turnstile while fumbling with their card. So now in addition to needing new turnstiles to accommodate the opposite direction (ie: st george) you need new turnstiles in general to better handle the swiping. And if you're going that far, may as well change the design entirely. It *can* work with NYC level crowds, as shown in the video below, but I doubt people can be "trained" to handle it: |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed May 9 09:04:55 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 8 19:26:48 2012. They can use PATH's turnstiles which can take all three kinds of cards (although you only need two in NYCT). Less chances for failed swipes. But they have to speed up the smart card recognition. Having to stop half a second is irritating. You need walk through speed like Tokyo.Or like in Paris, they can mandate to carry the card used for entry until exit and have card checking agents. Then, most people would stop buying swipes. |
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Posted by B1bus on Thu May 10 21:48:15 2012, in response to MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon May 7 15:21:28 2012. So, tourists, and others, who enter the wrong direction on a platform on the 6 or N line can't switch in 18 minutes if that is the side with no Agent.Or someone who forgot something at the office or store can't get back in either for 1 hour. |
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Posted by jabrams on Thu May 10 22:47:25 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by B1bus on Thu May 10 21:48:15 2012. Maybe then, the second swipe should be 18 minutes, and no other swipes at that station for 1 to 2 hours. If it is a legit reason, an unlimited card user can always take a bus to the next station. (assuming there is one). |
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Posted by B1bus on Fri May 11 13:28:19 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by jabrams on Thu May 10 22:47:25 2012. THAT I agree with. Most tourists don't know about the buses and may not know where the next station is. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri May 11 19:51:13 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by jabrams on Thu May 10 22:47:25 2012. Most stations are within walking distance of another station. The only one I can think of that isn't is Broad Channel. |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun May 13 20:13:49 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by merrick1 on Fri May 11 19:51:13 2012. Roosevelt Island. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 13 22:02:49 2012, in response to Re: MTA going to great lengths in stopping subway scammers...from 18 mins to 1 hour, posted by B1bus on Thu May 10 21:48:15 2012. My favorite use that would be impacted by this: walking through the paid area of a station for a dry way to walk down the block / across a busy street, patronize some business at the "far" end (ie: bank, food), then re-enter to actually ride the train... |
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