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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012 From the rumor department, I just heard from a pseudo reliable source that the pick after next, rush hour J service will be operating to 9 Ave and the T/D office that was formerly used for midday M service is being rehabbed. My source didn't say whether it would be all Js, selected intervals or if the Zs would be involved in the mix. Any further info out there? |
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Posted by caine515 on Fri Apr 6 14:25:24 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012. 9th Avenue would be a bit extreme and is there a demand for rush hour local "J" service?? And how long would it be?? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 6 14:30:58 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012. The Winter Pick? HHHmmm well its just a "rumor" that has been going around since the Mikey went the way of Queens.If they got the cars for it thats one thing.. Not sure if they got the cars for it... |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 6 15:06:33 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 6 14:30:58 2012. Perhaps they would, if it were just the "Z"s-w- |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Apr 6 15:53:25 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 6 14:30:58 2012. They will most likely take a few R32's for the extra service including that one from FP, they do have extra R32's in 207th that are rarely used and about 12 R42's that can still run |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 6 16:01:07 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by R32_3671 on Fri Apr 6 15:53:25 2012. They will most likely take a few R32's for the extra service including that one from FPIm not sure the one from FP is good for customer service. they do have extra R32's in 207th that are rarely used and about 12 R42's that can still run Its been a minute since i been to 207th yd so i cant comment on that. Now what 12 R42's? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Apr 6 16:08:08 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by caine515 on Fri Apr 6 14:25:24 2012. There was a demand for West End M service - - not midday or evening but definitely rush hours. Brooklyn R trains are crowded between 8-9 AM. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Apr 6 16:08:44 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Railman718 on Fri Apr 6 16:01:07 2012. 207th uses 144 out of 220 R32's for the (C), there were 14 R42's that have been stored (now at CI yard) i think about 10 or 12 of them are still good while a pair was stripped |
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Posted by joe c on Fri Apr 6 16:23:14 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by R32_3671 on Fri Apr 6 15:53:25 2012. Those R32 cars at FP are done,they are just there for storage and will not go back into service.if they go ahead with this,i see them using the current cars they have on the road now.til next time |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Fri Apr 6 16:30:30 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by joe c on Fri Apr 6 16:23:14 2012. I Know, but they can if they wanted to put in back on the road, all one of the cars need is a new compresser but i hardly doubt they will run but yea they would use what ever they have on the road |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 6 16:56:54 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 6 15:06:33 2012. But, if the "Z"s were delayed for some reason between Broad and 9th Ave, it would screw up J/Z skip-stop service. They would both have to run to/from 9th Ave to insure alternate service on the Eastern Division. Unless they are going to make the "Z" an express between Essex and B'way Jct and keep the "J" all local. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 17:08:45 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012. MTA board keeps voting to turn down restoring service cuts. How can they pul this off ? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 6 17:16:42 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 17:08:45 2012. it would make sense to restore it,at least during peak hours..Canal st is a horror show now since ALL Brooklyn south transfers are shifted there..[especially since Fulton st is cut off from other lines for Transit Center construction]..AND the R is doing a HORRIBLE job of maintaining 4th avenue local service alone. It was a BAD IDEA to remove the service. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 6 17:17:38 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 17:08:45 2012. They had been trying to get rid of that service for years and now they want to restore it after finally getting rid of it? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 6 17:20:30 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 6 17:17:38 2012. LOL..!Thats the thing..the demand for it is there..and most likely.."someone" wants it back. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 6 17:23:50 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 6 17:16:42 2012. And canal street's platform is very narrow. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 17:24:27 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 6 16:56:54 2012. If they are to do it, call it a W, run Bay Pkwy or 9th Ave to Chambers and stash the trains in the old approach tracks to the Manhattan Bridge. Then the J/Z doesn't get messed up with the thru-running. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 6 17:28:43 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 17:24:27 2012. That would make more sense than the J/Z. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 6 17:33:03 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 6 17:28:43 2012. Sounds good to me! I remember when some of the old "TT" trains ran between 9th Ave and Chambers St. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:06:33 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 6 17:28:43 2012. Well we finally agree on something.Now we have to find 40 cars that can make 5 * 8 car trains. That is generally what they run for these oddball rush hour services, like Rock Park A. We can bust down some 5 car sets of R160's to 4 cars, inflate as many other sets to 6 cars, put them on the G, which needs lengthened trains anyway, but that blows away OPTO economies by union contracts. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:10:11 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 6 17:17:38 2012. I knew it would come back. But if you look at station loadings along the West end and 4th Avenue lines, they were completely unscathed by removal of the M. But that does not show the abuse some people go thru at the Pacific Street/Atlantic Ave mixing bowl stuffing themselves onto the IRT to get to Wall Street. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 18:45:57 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:10:11 2012. The M running to Midtown is a much better use of the M line. That was an enormous success.That said, as mentioned, I didn't think they would really miss the M in South Brooklyn, and they haven't. Also, the J handles the Nassau line by itself very well. I do believe it wouldn't be a bad thing to have a rush hour service that comes in from South Brooklyn, as perhaps some people would use it. But only if money was available. I think there are better services to use valuable transit money on that that service. I am not against it, but I also don't think it should be high on the list either. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 18:55:32 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 6 17:33:03 2012. The only TTs running between 9 Av and Chambers were the returning AM 4 Av bankers' specials and the trains to be used for the PM 4 Av bankers' specials. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 6 18:57:02 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:10:11 2012. Rector on the R is around the corner from Wall on the 4/5. Why would you get off the R to get on the IRT if going to Wall? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 20:10:13 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 6 18:57:02 2012. R = Rarely. Trinity Place is also too far west.There is also the 2 & 3 territory along William Street, like Chase Plaza, and a lot of buildings along Water Street. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Apr 6 20:25:16 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012. Whhhhhaaaaaaatttt???????NO WAI |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 20:31:09 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012. Just thinking. Could this just be a temporary extension for a West End Line Fastrack, with D service cut and rerouted via Sea Beach ? |
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Posted by joe c on Fri Apr 6 21:10:38 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by R32_3671 on Fri Apr 6 16:30:30 2012. They don't want to put it back on the road,period.til next time |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Apr 6 21:43:52 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012. This was posted exactly one year ago today. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 6 22:19:00 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:06:33 2012. Here's a twist: send 40 R32s East, and replace them with an equal amount of R44s, if there are any still road-worthy.wayne |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:07:40 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 6 15:06:33 2012. Yeah, sZemp could handle it by himself. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:09:01 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 6 22:19:00 2012. Run the R-32s on the Curly. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 7 00:16:31 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 6 18:45:57 2012. Maybe they could make all Z trains go to 9th av and run up to Broadway Junction (skip-stop with the J)*? I do agree it's best to leave the M alone, but dunno if they should extend the J down several more stops in southern Brooklyn.*J then makes all stops past BJ to Parsons-Archer. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 7 00:20:16 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:06:33 2012. Or if the new R179 order requires 8 car trains for the C, those could be put to use for eastern division for this BJ to 9th av service.But as for now, they could take R32s to run on the J, as I assume the rollsigns are accurate, and put the R160s on the 9th av bound line. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 7 00:28:49 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:09:01 2012. :) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 7 02:51:41 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Apr 6 21:43:52 2012. ..............by Chipper 10.That makes it real legit, doesn't it? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:28:00 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 7 02:51:41 2012. Bill, I always joke with you about you saying the MTA would never consider running such "railfan fantasy" as the M train running through the Chrystie connection to Midtown....but now on the other side of the argument and the other side of the line (literally, haha), I have to agree with you on this one.The MTA was trying for years to get rid of that Nassau-Montague Tunnel service, and they finally succeeded, and now "rumors" of it returning (without any real reason to do so, as South Brooklyn handled the loss of the M train really without a cough at all), so I myself see this is some "railfan fantasy" rumor at this point. While I would never say never on it coming back one day, I surely don't see it right now or in the near future. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:34:31 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 7 00:16:31 2012. The J line used to run all the way from 168th St in Jamaica to Coney Island via Brighton, so I don't see that as a hinderence at all. Furthermore, having the Z or the J go through would really mess up the skp stop service on the J's real purpose....the Jamaica line. Skip Stop works very well on this line, and that's mainly because they both start and end at the same terminals, so if there are any problems, they would both be messed up so it wouldn't matter. Having the Z or J at the mercy of whatever problems happen south of the Nassau line will destroy a very well run skip stop service. I can picture 3 or 4 J's in a row because a Z is stuck somewhere in South Brooklyn. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:39:50 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by grand concourse on Sat Apr 7 00:20:16 2012. Broadway Junction? Chambers is as far as I would see remotely viable for this service. While sending a South Brooklyn Train to BJ may sound interesting, as they could then run the J and Z full express on the Broadway El, would a service like this really be necessary? It sounds like a dream to a railfan (I love the idea), but realistically, I don't see this as some great use service, just so the J and Z can skip two extra stations each between Bway Junction and Myrtle-Bway, and to have the Nassau-Montague service the MTA had spent years trying to get rid of. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:45:04 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 20:31:09 2012. That sounds like it would be a more reasonable answer to this rumor, as I don't see them restoring regular service on that route at this time.Although, speaking of "temporary reroutes", I remember back when the Manhattan Bridge was being rebuilt in the mid 80's, that they decided to "temporarily" put take the M line off the Brighton and put it on the West End El to Bay Parkway to supplement the fact that the Manhattan Bridge was going to be closed for repairs. That "temporary" reroute turned into 24 years, lol. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 7 07:17:54 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:34:31 2012. Which is why you would need to have BOTH lines doing it if you did so.If they really want to restore 4th Avenue service via Nassau, they could have a few "Brown D's" run from Essex Street-Coney Island via the West End. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 7 07:22:24 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:28:00 2012. Maybe some elected officials are privately pressuring the MTA to restore it because they have constituents who work on Wall Street and want it restored? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 07:25:50 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J/Z to 9 Av, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 7 07:17:54 2012. With all three tracks being used at Essex now (because of the Midtown M), they couldn't terminate trains there, and especially not rush hours. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Apr 7 07:27:10 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:34:31 2012. Couldn't trains be assigned to be J trains or Z trains as they left Broad Street heading towards Queens? You would need cars with electronic signs. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 7 07:49:09 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 7 07:22:24 2012. MTA Board keeps voting no-no-no on any restorations, so how could they be doing bids next week, unless it was for something temporary ?The clue is 9th Avenue, not Bay Pkwy, which hints of a West End line blockage for equipment movement. If they are going to steal equipment from ENY, then I could see the Z train going away for the summer, with J running 7 minutes intervals rather than J/Z 5 minutes. That R32 set is still dead in F.P. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 7 09:00:44 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 7 06:28:00 2012. Let's see, NYCT hasn't made a decision if the G will continue to Church Ave. or not once the viaduct work is completed.Yet wouldn't there be some pretty pissed of people over there if the G is cut back to Smith 9th and the J goes to 9th Ave. in the rush touted as a servcie improvement? The problem with that is if a n/b train is late arriving at Broad St. in the PM rush, that messes up the every 5 minute J/Z reliability, same would happen if the Z went to 9th Ave. instead. The schedule always works out nicely on paper. But beyond all that, I have to repeat what I've said in the past: they don't have the cars. The R44's are still around but they are retired and must be made road worthy again if resurrected, the equipment savings and the G, if it does cut back,would be 12 cars so that's miniscule. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 7 09:03:22 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by merrick1 on Sat Apr 7 07:27:10 2012. Huh, that's what they do now with the R160's. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Apr 7 09:23:20 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by R32_3671 on Fri Apr 6 15:53:25 2012. The R-32s at Fresh Pond are going to be scrapped. Their road days are over!! The R-32s at 207 are used for C service, and from the last time I passed there (last Sunday), the only things I saw there B Division-wise are the Museum trains and a helluva lot of R-46s and R-44 scraps!! Maybe 2 trains of 8 cars of R-32s where there, and I even took a second to watch the yard guys switching and setting up an R-32 train consist for service. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Apr 7 09:46:21 2012, in response to Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:18:09 2012. I had heard Bay Pkwy, not just 9th Ave.I was surprised, especially with the 4 min. headway that would be used. (The Z would be replaced, and not really needed with such frequency). I thought that Nassau connection was lightly used. Though on the other hand, eliminating it still dumps people on the already overcrowded IRT. I would have thought they would just bring back the Banker's special. If they did the 4 min headway ans Z elimination for the rest fof the J, then the new "(TT)" could be the "(Z)" (Which would now have its own identity as a line). It would continue to ENY after the AM, and then head back for the PM, just like it does now. And then, Brighton or 95th could also be an option again. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Apr 7 10:03:49 2012, in response to Re: Rush hour J to 9 Av, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 7 09:00:44 2012. I totally agree with you. And that was my point exactly....I am not against it...but theres much more important services that should be done first with scarce...valuable funds...such as keeping the G train at church. |
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