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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Apr 1 00:56:38 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 29 00:44:23 2012. I totally agree. Long Island drivers (Queens and Brooklyn) must unfortunately go thru Manhattan if they need to get to Jersey City or some area strait across the Hudson River via the Holland or Lincoln tunnels. If anything a thruway/bypass in Lower Manhattan would be way better than multiple intersections clogged up because people must use the local Manhattan roads [some fairly narrow or totally congested] and adds to the pollution in the area.If anything a tunnel or overpass would allow riders not stopping in Manhattan a strait shot to/from Jersey and Long Island and free up the intersections for Manhattan. More people would benefit from it. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Apr 1 00:58:05 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 29 00:46:22 2012. +1 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Apr 1 21:36:36 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 29 03:48:49 2012. And I thought Robert Moses was dead! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 1 22:14:21 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Apr 1 21:36:36 2012. Robert Moses was a great man. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 1 22:16:35 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by grand concourse on Sun Apr 1 00:56:38 2012. The approaches to the Holland Tunnel are just pathetic. If most of those cars were blocking up a grade-separated expressway, it would be BETTER for the surrounding roads. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 1 22:19:13 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 29 03:48:49 2012. Which is why I call for increased spending to improve rail and other public transit all over the urban metros. However, "starving" the highway system is actually an act of both national and planetary survival. Acres of concrete and tarmac do not sustain life on this planet. Further, as was shown in a multiyear project to relieve crowding on I 70 north of Rockville once the widening was finished, the LOS/delays were no better than before, but involved more cars crawling at substandard speeds. So, yes, we shouild refuse to expand the supposed throughput of freeways. Rather, we need to radically alter land use regs so as to decrease sprawl so fewer humans have a need to drive dozens of miles for errands and work. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Sun Apr 1 23:19:08 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 1 22:16:35 2012. Totally 100% agreed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 00:51:53 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 1 22:19:13 2012. Human life is superior to all other life. It's nice if we try to conserve wherever possible, but human needs come first.Those extra cars constitute added economic activity. Making the widening a SUCCESS! Unless it took passengers off of mass transit. Was that the case? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 2 02:14:05 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 00:51:53 2012. I don't know, though possibly Sand Box John has some info. As to the superiority of humans...see John Donne. Whether one believes in some supreme being or not, the rest of the flora/fauna have some claim on this planet. And, even if you deny an ethical claim, the ecological realities still rule. If we f^&% this place up beyond repair, then we all buy the farm. Bottom line paving the whole place is a loser. Not all "economic activity" is automatically useful--think loan sharking, ponzi schemes, embezzlement... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 05:41:26 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 2 02:14:05 2012. As to the superiority of humans...see John DonneI don't get the reference. Whether one believes in some supreme being or not, the rest of the flora/fauna have some claim on this planet. They can fight back if they want. They often do. And, even if you deny an ethical claim, the ecological realities still rule. Such as? If we f^&% this place up beyond repair, then we all buy the farm. Bottom line paving the whole place is a loser. Nobody's talking about "paving the whole place." This discussion started about a highway that would have run through an already developed, 100% paved area. It would not have resulted in the destruction of even one square inch of natural land. Not all "economic activity" is automatically useful--think loan sharking, ponzi schemes, embezzlement... So you're saying all of those extra cars on I-270 are driven loan sharks and embezzlers? In any case, nobody ever mentioned CRIME. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 2 12:48:43 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 05:41:26 2012. No man is an Island as in we are all in this together.In case you haven't noticed, overfishing not only wrecks the balance in the given waterways, but ultimately ruins the economy/food supplies for those dependent on the fish for protein. Call me a tree hugger if you wish, I believe we already have more than enough highway mileage. Whether for passengers or freight rail is capable of vastly greater throughput per acre of ROW. In my solar utopian view of a future, most rail will be electrified, cars the same, Ocean going oil tankers will be history and Gas stations historical sites. As to who drives on I 270, mostly just cogs in the system, however, my comment still stands that not all economic activity is socially useful. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 2 18:25:12 2012, in response to Re: The Connection Between WTC and Cortlandt St, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 2 12:48:43 2012. In case you haven't noticed, overfishing not only wrecks the balance in the given waterways, but ultimately ruins the economy/food supplies for those dependent on the fish for protein.Which is why overfishing is wrong. I never said "fuck the environment." Manage the environment for the benefit of man. In my solar utopian view of a future, most rail will be electrified, cars the same, Ocean going oil tankers will be history and Gas stations historical sites. Electric cars and trucks still need roads. Gas stations would not be historical sites as they would be replaced with quick-charge stations, or battery swap stations. As to who drives on I 270, mostly just cogs in the system, however, my comment still stands that not all economic activity is socially useful. But I specifically brought up economic activity that in all likelihood is socially useful. |
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