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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 27 17:05:59 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Mar 26 23:13:28 2012.

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There are limited capital funds. Put back the mezzanines they ripped out on Jamaica Avenue to distribute the loads better and rebuild the disgusting stations like Chambers. That has to take precedence.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 27 17:08:41 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:52:58 2012.

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So the Charlie would be similar to the 3 line, where the trains would be stored at 207 Street but BO trains sent to Pitkin for maintenance or trains needed for inspection. Does Pitkin have the ability to service the HVAC for HTT?

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:09:35 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 17:05:07 2012.

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CBTC was tested on the R-68 with E-cam controllers in the lat 1990s . It can be done if the car is shifted to a CBTC line. Since the Concourse line was re signaled in the recent past, don't look for CBTC there any time soon.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 27 17:12:22 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:28:04 2012.

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Ok, so Jamaica gets 40 R179's to shove R46's off the F.
Do they then send 32 R46's to SIR ?

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:13:22 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 27 17:08:41 2012.

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One of the things I had in the capital Budget was an overhead crane for 19 & 20 tracks. That order was approved. Keep in mind that Pelham Shop does not have an overhead crane and AC repairs are done in the diesel facility where a crane is available. So then the answer is, Yes, the operation would be very much like the #3 line. Trains would be staged out of 207th St for A & C service as is done now but all maintenance & inspections would be done at Pitkin.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 27 17:14:10 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:01:59 2012.

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I shudder to think the massive amount of GOs and the time it will take to resignal Queens Plaza to Jamaica and rewire and put a new tower at Forest Hills or build a massive new Master Tower somewhere along the Queens Corridor.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:14:31 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 27 17:12:22 2012.

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They could but Staten Island (management) did not want the R-46s. They were holding out for R-68s.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 17:15:20 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:01:59 2012.

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Ahhhh..I got you.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:16:03 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 27 17:14:10 2012.

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Have no doubt, following the #7 line, the Queens Blvd Corridor will be next - Then on to Brooklyn

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 17:18:41 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Amtrak guy on Tue Mar 27 06:01:13 2012.

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yeah..he's pretty cool ..his politics suck though..but overall hes okay.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 27 17:18:53 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:13:22 2012.

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So Westchester Yard gets an expanded Maintenance Facility for the 6 line fleet. Pitkin maintains the entire A/C fleets. 207 becomes basically a Main Shop and Diesel Facility. Will the 207Y Wheel Truing machine still be used though at 207 as apart of the A/C fleet maintenance cycle?

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 27 17:19:00 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:14:31 2012.

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Who usually wins those battles ?

Whatever they send, do they absolutely have to be de-linked and couplers installed ?

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 27 17:21:04 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:16:03 2012.

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the F line is the big test for CBTC if they go that route. I think the E would be the easier option especially if the C has R179s equipped.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 17:23:02 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by randyo on Tue Mar 27 14:26:20 2012.

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evening QJ service to Broad st after 730 pm was always 6 cars..Sat/Sun service to Broad st was ALWAYS 6 cars.



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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:24:44 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 27 17:18:53 2012.

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It would have to remain. Much like Coney Island Shop relies on the wheel truing machine in Coney Island Overhaul Shop. Iw as not until the late 1980s or early 90s that wheel machinies were used in Maintenance Shops other than Concourse Shop which at one time, had 2 wheel truing machines. The 2nd one is now at 239th St IIRC

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:28:26 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 27 17:19:00 2012.

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Engineering was looking into the reworking of the R-46s to see if they could adapt their cab signaling system to the SCM-1 controller. I never felt that it was feasible, myself.

I never try to predict politics but I suspect that the Staten Island R-44s will die a slow death there until new cars are purchased - Perhaps an R-179 or R-211 option order.

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Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 17:30:37 2012, in response to Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract, posted by J trainloco on Mon Mar 26 19:51:34 2012.

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ahhh....lest of a spare factor..but overall the same service requirement.

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Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:32:34 2012, in response to Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 17:30:37 2012.

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It would be hard to expand C service south of 59th St without possible impact on the E service given the current signaling issues. Once the 8th Ave Corridor gets CBTC, that will change.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 27 17:45:26 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 17:23:02 2012.

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!4 St Line service was also 6 cars till sometime around 1970 when it went o 7 R-9s and eventually 8 60 footers.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Mar 27 17:50:38 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:09:35 2012.

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But TD, all new signal that are going in, incloudigng Concouse Line are CBTC Ready. They have of couse have to put in the rest of these of the system to run it.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 27 17:55:01 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:28:26 2012.

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If SIR gets hand me downs, R-68s would probably make more sense than R-46s since the existence of transverse cabs at the #1 ends of all the R-68s makes it easier to re equip them for operation and possible reconfiguring them as 2 car married pairs or even converting some of them back as singles for odd numbered car consists. Some of them could even have the #2 corner cabs control equipment reinstalled so that they can be made into single units for the same purpose. AFAIK, the brake valves are still in the decommissioned cabs although they are capped, so all that would be necessary would be to reinstall the master controllers or depending on SIR administration mindset, install the cineston controllers that could be either removed from STR's R-44s or purchased brand new if they don't want to go to 2 handle operation.

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Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract

Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 18:38:18 2012, in response to Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:32:34 2012.

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The E runs fewer trains than the A does at peak...

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 18:47:46 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:16:03 2012.

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I've heard that the next CBTC project after Brooklyn is either the 8th avenue or 6th avenue trunks.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 27 18:54:02 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 18:47:46 2012.

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Which trunk in Brooklyn is getting CBTC? the IRT?

It would be nice to see it on the Nostrand Ave branch with all the congestion @ Flatbush.

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Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 18:57:55 2012, in response to Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 18:38:18 2012.

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true..but the E doesn't operate alone anywhere except a few places.
And it doesn't take into consideration the fact that there are 3 services operating under the A IDENTIFICATION...

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Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 27 18:59:18 2012, in response to Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon Mar 26 11:45:05 2012.

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Meh, we gotta until late 2014 just to see the test train?

I'm meh'ing at the fact that the first of these cars is over two years away..

The (C) getting NTT before the (A)... crazy! Looking forward to that since in my time the (A) always had nicer cars than the (C) ( A had 44/46s wheres the C always had 32/38).

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Mar 27 19:03:02 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by randyo on Tue Mar 27 14:30:58 2012.

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Ah, heh you got me there. I forgot everything was flipped.

But in relation to the station itself, the switches should be moved further south to accommodate the extended platform.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Mar 27 19:06:17 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 27 17:05:59 2012.

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In the meantime, there won't be a change, but ideally the future, the MTA should invest in Eastern division and extend all the platforms and eliminate this separation. The L really should be 10 car trains.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Mar 27 19:09:51 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 27 18:54:02 2012.

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I hope there won't be a problem with the computer driving the train into the bumper at the end of that station. FB should have tail tracks past the station and cross under tunnels to connect both platforms.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Mar 27 19:14:14 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by randyo on Tue Mar 27 17:55:01 2012.

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Totally agreed.

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Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 19:18:21 2012, in response to Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 18:38:18 2012.

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True but the E and A do not share the same tracks except on the Midnight tour. The A runs Express and the C & E share the local tracks on the AM & PM tours

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 19:20:29 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Mar 27 17:50:38 2012.

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I cannot say either way but even so, the Concourse line will not see CBTC until after the Lexington Line and that's many years away


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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 19:22:51 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by randyo on Tue Mar 27 17:55:01 2012.

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Agreed plus the E Cam controllers make it easier to interface with the SIR signal System. The problem with reconfiguring the R-68 is the shortage of H2C couplers.

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Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract

Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 20:14:06 2012, in response to Re: Little more info on the R-179 Bombardier contract, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 19:18:21 2012.

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Yes, but if the A and C can share tracks with the A running 18 tph and the C running 7, then it would seem that the E with its 15 tph could manage with a few more C trains. Of course i'm simplifying things, but the B division is able to accommodate 28tph on the CPW express, so i'm assuming they can accommodate at least that much on 8th avenue's local tracks.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 20:17:56 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 18:47:46 2012.

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That's wrong. It should say:

"I've heard that the next CBTC project after Queens Boulevard is either the 8th avenue or 6th avenue trunks."

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 27 20:18:38 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by grand concourse on Tue Mar 27 19:09:51 2012.

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Do they have a problem with it on Canarsie?

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Mar 27 20:25:25 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 19:20:29 2012.

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Of couse, I think the first line out side Queens E,F,R and M. Well me Lex. Even the singal at WTC and JAY are CBTC ready. If you look and the model boards in the tower there a switch that say CBTC mode.


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Re: Staten Island North shore cars (Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....)

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 27 20:29:42 2012, in response to Re: Staten Island North shore cars (Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....), posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Mar 24 20:24:05 2012.

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... You do know that satellite view is updated every 2 years or so, right? Even more frequently in major cities...
With pictures taken from the actual world! The very same one you see outside!

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Re: Staten Island North shore cars (Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....)

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Mar 27 20:49:09 2012, in response to Re: Staten Island North shore cars (Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 25 18:01:09 2012.

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Looking at what you posted, it's low floor!!

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:09:56 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Mar 27 20:25:25 2012.

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Can't get in there any more. They have my picture posted with orders to shoot on sight :)

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:12:11 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:09:56 2012.

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I wonder why???

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Re: Staten Island North shore cars (Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 21:12:19 2012, in response to Re: Staten Island North shore cars (Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....), posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 27 20:29:42 2012.

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Excellent post! SMDH!

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Mar 27 21:23:50 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:09:56 2012.

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Dame TD, what did you do to the TA before you left.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:36:47 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Mar 27 21:23:50 2012.

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Just remember what Arnold once said!



Just keep it to yourself!

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:37:36 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:36:47 2012.

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You are telling the wrong person that! LOL

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:40:20 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:37:36 2012.

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Hahahhahha

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:41:20 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:40:20 2012.

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Trolling on vacation bump...

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:53:19 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:41:20 2012.

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you or me? My travel season begins 3 weeks from tomorrow.

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:55:09 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 21:53:19 2012.

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Me..

In for the night "Playtime" was most of the day.....

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Re: And the R-179 contract goes to....

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 22:04:26 2012, in response to Re: And the R-179 contract goes to...., posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:55:09 2012.

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Good for me. I'll be in working on the home railroad tonight if I ever get away from this damn computer. For the record, the Weebles send their regards.

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