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The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 12 17:33:12 2012

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Mr RT on Tue Mar 13 08:01:00 2012, in response to The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 12 17:33:12 2012.

I think you are a bit confused about the difference between money obtained by a fare increase vs. money provided by the State for Capital improvements, i.e. you seem to be mixing these subjects in your editorial.

A better argument would be … what percentage of the fare increase money will go to increased service ? If they are dedicating it all to raises and benefits as a result of the new union contract, then maybe the increase isn’t high enough ?

Service increases … from Brooklyn to Manhattan … why, because the Chairman rides the subway every morning !

Investing in new technology to improve service to the public vs. eliminate staff ? Is that a rhetorical question ? Why even ask the question, you know the answer !
These rider groups should be fighting hard to retain Token Booth Clerks & Conductors, because if you wait for the first lawsuit to occur, there will be no possibility of restoring that staff !

Next staff target for the MTA will be the subway engineer (AirTrain doesn’t have one), how about electronics in the street so they can get rid of bus operators ? Just think of the benefits … no more jay walkers, that is after a few are run over … no more buses being cut off by dollar vans, after a few are totaled in a crash.

Where is all this going … more folks working from home ! Maybe the MTA should think about that ?


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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 12:11:16 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Mr RT on Tue Mar 13 08:01:00 2012.

I realize the difference between capital and operating funds. I mentioned that even if the tablets are provided for free, it will still take operating costs to maintain them. However, I'm not sure the MTA is taking that into account or is underestimating it. To back up that statement I refer you to the person who convinced the MTA to switch from roll signs to digital back around 1980. Although the new electronic signs cost $3,000 each as compared to the roll signs then in use which cost only several hundred dollars each, he was able to convince the MTA to switch promising them they woud save on maintenance costs which the roll signs required, and the electronics did not. He also made it seem that if a route would change you old magically press a button and everything woud be updated. Since he was their resident expert, no one questioned him, when the roll signs were far superior to te digital available at that time

What actually happened was that updating the digitals was much more labor intensive than promised a while it took 6 maintainers to repair all the roll signs, it required 20 electronic maintainers to repair the digitals and the first set suffered from frequent breakdowns.

Service increases are necessary at least for the weekends which now have record high ridership despite all the weekend repair work. You shoud not have to suffer the same crowded riding conditions on weekends as on weekdays.

The MTA wants a leaner meaner system. No matter how high you raise the fare, they will resist any service increases. A major new land use the Racino) is built at Aqueuct and the MTA only reroutes one local bus route inconveniencing through riders.

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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 13:24:18 2012, in response to The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 12 17:33:12 2012.

I disagree with a number of points you made. One is the "safety" argument for keeping staff around. As has been proven, MTA employees have no obligation to help people being victimized. A help point would allow a bystander to have access to call the same help that a station agent could call for. Additionally, having more cameras would help things too.

The other point I disagree with is your stance on buses. I don't think it's the MTA's mission to try and provide everyone with a direct ride to as many points as possible. They need to allocate their assets in the most efficient way possible. If that means abandoning some bus routes to improve others, then that's what MTA should do, unless MTA is going to either raise fares to a level that will support these under-used routes, or receive a guaranteed subsidy to cover these costs.

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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 15:03:10 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 13:24:18 2012.

I read the link you cited. The employee did what he was required to do, push a button to get assistance. The victim wanted more, but he did all that was required and help arrived. The hypothetical situation I stated was a little different. I stated if the Help Point was broken, and if there were no station attendant, help woud have never arrived. So a judge could make a big award if there was a lawsuit. The situations were not comparable.

Regarding buses, the MTA has an obligation to serve all neighborhoods, not leave some without transit access. If we were willing to accept that, we might as well let private companies run the bus system.

There is no logical rationale to provide service every 5 minutes on a north/south route to Plumb Beach and 20 minute or no service on an east-west route when both routes will only carry a half dozen passengers. That is what the B44 SBS proposes. If you need to go east west, a north/south route does you no good.

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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 13 15:46:32 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 13:24:18 2012.

I disagree with you. Everybody in this city pays the same taxes. The city of Paris has somehow seen to it that every address within Paris is within a short distance of a metro station. While I understand the City of New York has long since blown it and it is very unlikely there will ever be ubways service in those areas that missed out in the first go around, then the next best thing is access to buses. Every address in this city should be a short distance (100 yards or so?) of a bus line to take them to the subways that were never built for them. Everybody pays the same taxes and is entitled to the same public services of which one of the most important is public transportation.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 13 16:08:56 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 13 15:46:32 2012.

Everybody pays the same taxes

No offense, but the single mother in Brownsville with two children in public housing isn't paying the same taxes as the middle class married couple with two children in Little Neck or the rich couple that owns a brownstone on the Upper East Side.

While I understand the City of New York has long since blown it

FWIW, there's a sizable chunk of the city that wouldn't be able to sustain a station every 100 yards or so. One must remember that Paris is smaller than New York...

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 13 16:17:00 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 13 15:46:32 2012.

Every address in this city should be a short distance (100 yards or so?) of a bus line to take them

That's theoretically achievable, but you'll have to look at the following options to pay for it.

1) Increasing the subsidy for said bus service.
2) Increasing fares.
3) Pay and benefit cuts/freezes, and layoffs.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 13 16:27:20 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 13:24:18 2012.

A help point would allow a bystander to have access to call the same help that a station agent could call for. Additionally, having more cameras would help things too.

Arguably, cellular phone access in the underground stations would probably help considerably. Cameras are great for recording what happened and in finding the suspect, but questionable in stopping crime given that they're dependent on somebody watching the cameras, and getting help to that person in time. One could argue that the MTA is admittedly at mercy of NYPD's budget and practices as well.

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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 13 17:55:56 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 12:11:16 2012.

And that Racino is why we had all the argument about sending the (C) to Lefferts full-time and have ALL (A)s run to the Rockaways. This, along with the Convention Center that may get built at Aqueduct might very well be what leads to the old LIRR Rockaway Branch being re-activated for subway service.

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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 13 18:18:23 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 13 16:17:00 2012.

...but isn't that the true role of government...to provide essential services such as public transportation for all of its citizens.

Look....the city was forced to abandon the second system of the IND because of the war..I get that but ever since the end of World War II, how much new subway construction has there been?

The second Avenue subway is simply a replacement for the Third Avenue el, isn't it?

We had the connection of South Brooklyhn IND to the Culver line...a new subway of what length?

Archer Avenue but then again that's a replacement, isn't it, for tearing down the end of the Jamaica el.

the 63rd Street tunnel although it's partly there because of train traffic as well as rapid transit, isn't it

The connection from Euclid to the remnants of the Fulton Street el and then the connection to Rockaway

Christie Street...although that really for the most part didn't bring new subway service to areas that didn't have it but rather to make more effective use of the subways we already had, right?

That's it...for the most part, those areas of Brooklyn east of Nostrand Avenue, south of the junction (except for a small portin of Canarsie close to the L) all of South east Queens, all of Staten Island have never gotten subway service and we all know never will. Yet Paris has built several new metro lines. Even London, a system older than NY's has built some new subway lines since the war. NYC which one prided itself on its subway system has made the decision not to build any more subways. Now there might be a justification for this (NIMBY) but millions of New Yorkers have been setence to a life time of two fares and while one has to commend the city for at the very least eliminating the double fare to a degree, it still means that for example if I live in Bergen Beach say and wish to attend a Broadway show and don't want to get nailed for $50 for parking, I have to use a bus and a train and while subway servicde is reasonable at 2300, bus service is not often meaning a wait of 40 minutes.

Or am I being unfair?

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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Mar 13 18:19:41 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 13:24:18 2012.

Good post.

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Posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 13 18:35:32 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 13 18:18:23 2012.

Paris isn't surronded on almost all sides by water.

Paris doesn't have Manhattan schist to dig through.

Paris doesn't have to deal with Albany.

Paris is a European city built by Europeans with a European mindset, little of which gels with what works for New York.

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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 13 20:16:29 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 13:24:18 2012.

I agree about the safety complaints. If subway stations are dangerous because of crime, what is needed are more police officers, not token booth attendants, public relations staff, or other faux security personnel.

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Posted by Mr RT on Wed Mar 14 07:31:24 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 12:11:16 2012.

What happened in the 80's in ancient history now, so I don't except your using it to justify your editorial.

The water went under the bridge and is out to sea by now ... move on.

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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 14 07:58:12 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Mr RT on Tue Mar 13 08:01:00 2012.

Mr RT I got a bridge to sell you if you think these trains will run without anybody in them in yours and my lifetime... Here's a word for you..

Accountability....

Who would you blame? A Effed up faulty system or a human? Think about it.

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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 10:24:00 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 13 17:55:56 2012.

Let's hope so but I wouldn't count on it. NIMBYs are still very powerful and the MTA has yet to show any interest.

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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 10:24:42 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Mr RT on Wed Mar 14 07:31:24 2012.

However, some things don't change.

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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 10:28:13 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 13 16:08:56 2012.

The people in Plumb Beach and elsewhere also pay taxes. And isn't it considerate of you to believe that people on assistance don't deserve public transit. Did it occur to that if she had more public transit options, more jobs woud be available to her so she might get off assistance some day?

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Mar 14 10:45:49 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 10:28:13 2012.

And isn't it considerate of you to believe that people on assistance don't deserve public transit.

I guess one hasn't noticed my posting history where I've implicitly argued that the high wages and benefits of transit workers is what makes it difficult to extend transit services to more marginal areas or allow for increased railway services. As I've noted before, transit isn't exactly some magical free service that costs nothing to run, and if we're going to run more transit, either we're going to have to increase the subsidy to transit and/or reduce some of the operating costs of said transit, and in most cases, said operating costs are mostly from paying the salary and benefit costs of the the employees. The question one should ask is even if transit workers are hard-working, should their benefits come at the cost of service to the poorer citizens.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Mar 14 10:54:36 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 13 18:18:23 2012.

Or am I being unfair?

Yes, but you'll also have to understand that one must be willing to *pay* for said service as well. I simply want an admission to this approach that providing high levels of service into the night into somewhat marginal areas with low passenger counts isn't going to be particularly cheap, especially at what it costs NYCTA to run a bus. Mind you, I'm the type of person that cringes when I see man on the street opinion stories about fare increases, so I want there to be a certain degree of public understanding that fares or taxes will go up to pay for the level of service that you'd like unless there are changes to the cost structure of public transport.

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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 14 10:58:00 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Mar 14 10:45:49 2012.

I guess one hasn't noticed my posting history where I've implicitly argued that the high wages and benefits of transit workers is what makes it difficult to extend transit services to more marginal areas or allow for increased railway services.

More like the high wages of a lot of useless managers, beakies and waste on things that could be done cheaper and quicker but i wont blow yer head up with that stuff.Now as for our benifits they arent roses either they have gotten worse every contract blame the health care industry for that one...

Let me ask you a question..

What in your terms in this day and time be a "reasonable hourly wage?"

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Posted by Fytton on Wed Mar 14 11:11:19 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by MATHA531 on Tue Mar 13 15:46:32 2012.

Paris had two advantages: it is a compact city, and the Metro was essentially designed 'all of a piece' rather than being built by a number of competing companies. However, while NYC and London each have large populations (about 8 million in each case) under a single metropolitan government, the City of Paris is just the small area inside the Peripherique highway, and it within this area that the 'station within half a kilometre of every house' rule applies. The 'banlieu' of other boroughs outside the city limits of Paris have the RER and other SNCF suburban rail services, which are far less intensive.

Although the list provided of NYC areas unserved by the subway is accurate, in fact the proportion of the NYC population served by the subway is quite high (over 75%, I'd guess, given that some of the unserved parts of Queens are of relatively low population density). The proportion of the Greater Paris population well served by rail rapid transit (Metro + RER) may well be little higher.

As for London, the Tube probably serves little more than half the Greater London population well - which is why other rail systens have been provided in recent decades, such as the Docklands Light Railway, the Overground, the Tramlink, Thameslink, forthcoming CrossRail, and some national rail lines now provided with metro-level service frequencies.

One important point about Paris and London - and other European cities - is that ticketing systems allow the use of all rail rapid transit within the metropolitan area seamlessly. The fact suburban rail (MNCR and LIRR) have different fare structures despite belonging to the same MTA hinders people from using what might be their most efficient means of getting from A to B, in some cases.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Mar 14 11:27:54 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Fytton on Wed Mar 14 11:11:19 2012.

and some national rail lines now provided with metro-level service frequencies

Nah, we can't do that in America. We want big heavy trains that accelerate like slugs with lots of conductors on board. Ask Jersey Mike and Olog.

is that ticketing systems allow the use of all rail rapid transit within the metropolitan area seamlessly

How dare you speak of such evil thoughts! Next thing you know, we might have usable regional transit!

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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 14 13:15:56 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Mar 13 16:08:56 2012.

why wouldnt she?

Everyone pays taxes...whether its making a purchase from any store..paying a damn bill or living next to a school..

you think social status makes a difference?
are you serious?

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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Mar 14 14:10:57 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 13:24:18 2012.

Agreed on all counts.

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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Mar 14 18:56:55 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 13 18:35:32 2012.

To me, New York is the only American city with sort of a Parisian mindset. I blended right in.

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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 14 21:44:09 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 13 15:03:10 2012.

I read the link you cited. The employee did what he was required to do,push a button to get assistance. The victim wanted more,but he did all that was required and help arrived. The hypothetical situation I stated was a little different. I stated if the Help Point was broken,and if there were no station attendant,help woud have never arrived. So a judge could make a big award if there was a lawsuit. The situations were not comparable.

They are totally comparable. What if a booth's communication system was temporarily down? How would that situation be any better/worse than an HPI being down? As pointed out by another poster, bringing wireless communication to subway stations would help the situation, but if someone else was present, they could run elsewhere for help anyway.

To be clear, I am not advocating for HPI's to replace SAs. I am questioning the entire argument made by certain members of the public and represented workforce that the presence of SAs makes a station safer.

the MTA has an obligation to serve all neighborhoods,not leave some without transit access.

Agreed. The question is what is an acceptable level of service.

There is no logical rationale to provide service every 5 minutes on a north/south route to Plumb Beach and 20 minute or no service on an east-west route when both routes will only carry a half dozen passengers. That is what the B44 SBS proposes. If you need to go east west,a north/south route does you no good.

So then is the answer to provide one east west line and one north south line which will both operate at 15 minute intervals? My point here is that the MTA doesn't have to provide, your words: "half a dozen customers" with one-seat rides in both the east/west and north/south corridors. Maybe the answer is that the entire bus network in that area should be re-organized. Maybe the 4 should replace the 36 in that area and people headed east should take the 44 to the 4. I'm generally of the opinion that bus routes are duplicitous in many areas. In my neighborhood, there are buses running parallel to each other on every street from Classon Ave to Malcolm X Blvd, save for Marcy and Stuyvesant aves. It seems to me that in many areas, the MTA could benefit by eliminating or consolidating routes, but the general consensus is that this is such a terrible inconvenience that it cannot be allowed. "MTA can't cut MY bus!" The 4/44 seems to be another one of those type of issues.

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Posted by EastSideRider on Wed Mar 14 22:07:47 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 14 13:15:56 2012.

He's right, social status does make a difference....the Brownsville mother and the middle class couple are probably paying MORE taxes (or are finding it harder to pay them) than the rich couple. :(

But yeah, everyone pays taxes.

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Posted by EastSideRider on Wed Mar 14 22:13:20 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 14 10:58:00 2012.

Heh. I know you're going with this....fighting over who deserves more, transit workers or the riding public, is just another way of putting the poor and middle class against each other for a piece of the pie that EVERYONE deserves, while the higher ups who should be held more accountable skate away unnoticed.

BOTH parties deserve more; the people in southeast Queens and Brooklyn, 2 Av in Manhattan and Third Av in the Bronx, AND the people who will run the service. People have their anger too easily directed at the wrong party...

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:06:24 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by EastSideRider on Wed Mar 14 22:07:47 2012.

the Brownsville mother and the middle class couple are probably paying MORE taxes (or are finding it harder to pay them) than the rich couple.

If you're low income with children and paying more in taxes than a rich couple, then you have a terrible accountant, or you're not maximizing your tax credits and deductions. Even as a single person in the 15% federal bracket, I manage to walk away paying an effective 10% tax rate.

OTOH, if you want to hit up some people who don't pay taxes, go chase the public sector employees who don't pay state taxes on their retirement benefits while their private sector counterparts pay taxes over any retirement income over $20K. Ooops.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:10:17 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 14 13:15:56 2012.

why wouldnt she?

Since when do low income single mothers pay much in the way of taxes, even if one combines sales, excise, income, and the imputed tax that's paid via housing rents compared to significantly wealthy individuals? Yes she pays taxes, but the total amount is going to vary considerably depending on one's circumstances, and it's less likely that she will pay the same amount as a wealthy individual or even a typical middle class family.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:24:27 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 14 10:58:00 2012.

What in your terms in this day and time be a "reasonable hourly wage?"

That depends on real estate and living costs as what constitutes reasonable in once place is impossible in another. In New York, I'd argue that it hovers in the $15 to $20* range at minimum for entry level work. It doesn't exactly pay for a rental on the Upper East Side, but one could argue that it shouldn't and as a policy perspective, the transit system along with better zoning** should be used to increase housing opportunities elsewhere in the city with an effective transit system to minimize the opportunity costs of commuting, and arguably with properly funded services to ensure that all neighbourhoods receive a minimum level of service that's of good quality.

*I should note that one's ability to live on said income can also vary dependning on one's social support network. A married couple both earning $15/hr each with children has more income flexibility than a single mother*** with children even with various income supports, and a single person that lives at home with that income can live like a king, while those with no family may find that to be a struggle. FWIW, I've seen that perspective at my employer where the starting salary in my department is at $11/hr or so.

**In other words, flood the outer boros and arguably the suburbs with denser housing, while putting in the transit infrastructure to move more people around. So maybe some of those lightly used surburban shopping centres, one story shops, and old colonial homes should become modern townhouses and apartment complexes. In turn, some of those bus routes should become streetcars, subway extensions, and feeders to railroad stations with 3 tph off-peak and more "subwayish" rolling stock.

***Of course, one could argue that we should discourage single mothers in the first place.

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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 04:55:17 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:10:17 2012.

you've got to be kidding,right?
do you really believe how much money you bring IN will equal how much you pay in taxes?

typical "middle class...or wealthy individuals.." my ass...
you dont have a clue how this works in the "real world" do you.

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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 04:58:54 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:24:27 2012.

uhh huh...again..you really dont know how the "real world" operates..

you actually believe "that" is how people make money..!

try again,buddy...

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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 15 05:58:23 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 14 10:24:00 2012.

That may change if Gov. Cuomo and Genting (the Casino operator who will be building the Convention Center) get involved and Cuomo convinces Genting it's in their best interests to have it built for subway service (plus there are other politicians as noted in other threads who also want that branch activated for subway use).

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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 06:12:13 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:24:27 2012.

I'm sorry how old are you?

Seriously...

What world you live in? Can't be this one..

Can't believe what I just read...

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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 06:13:47 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 04:58:54 2012.

Edwards the brothers head isn't right can't be... www.shakingmyhead.com

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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 06:19:01 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:10:17 2012.

Do you personally know any low income Single Mothers?

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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 06:21:00 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:06:24 2012.

Not thier fault thier private counterparts Got those jobs in the frist place...

Nothing stopped them from getting those "lowly" public sector jobs..

THIW...

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 06:59:34 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 15 03:24:27 2012.

Excellent post. Way to view things economically and without a bleeding heart.

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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 07:10:40 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 06:59:34 2012.

I guess you live in the same world he does..

Oh wait...



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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:11:05 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 06:19:01 2012.

dont bother him with the details...he's got this whole econometrics thing down to pure science..

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:11:50 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 06:19:01 2012.

dont bother him with the details...he's got this whole econometrics thing down to pure science..

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:15:31 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 07:10:40 2012.

one funny guy..but hens usually are.
they just keep on cluckin' away...while the world waits to serve em on a plate with some potato's smothered in gravy...

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 07:17:28 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:15:31 2012.

"For Amusement Only?"

Sounds about right...

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:18:01 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 07:10:40 2012.

one funny guy..but hens usually are.
they just keep on cluckin' away...while the world waits to serve em on a plate with some potato's smothered in gravy...

they have no fuckin clue how the REAL WORLD works...

broken heart song books..

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 07:18:56 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:11:05 2012.

I think the brother needs a reality check...

Hey we all got em in some point in our lives...

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:21:38 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 06:13:47 2012.

yeah...im sure he knows..puttin on a front for the dweebs...

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Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Mar 15 07:24:46 2012, in response to Re: The MTA's Misplaced Priorities, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 15 07:21:38 2012.

His opinion i guess, dont agree with it...

*Shrugs*

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