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Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by gbs on Fri Feb 24 21:41:29 2012

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My 30-day unlimited MetroCard expires on 3/7, according to both the bus farebox and the token-booth card reader.

But according to the MetroCard Vending Machine "Get Card Info" feature (which I never knew about until the Refill brochure mentioned it), I have "Unlimited Rides until 03/08/12".

It looks like the first two displays tell the last date of use, the expected information, while the MVM display shows the first day the card won't work. (Since I haven't yet refilled the card, this is not some new refill problem.)

All three displays should show the same information, so there's no confusion about when the card will and will no longer work.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by The Silence on Fri Feb 24 22:33:43 2012, in response to Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by gbs on Fri Feb 24 21:41:29 2012.

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I was under the impression that the unlimitieds went to 3AM the next day, then again I never really used them much, so I might be confused.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by gbs on Fri Feb 24 22:37:21 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by The Silence on Fri Feb 24 22:33:43 2012.

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I believe they do go until a couple of hours into the next day, but regardless, all three displays should show the same date.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Feb 24 23:23:16 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by The Silence on Fri Feb 24 22:33:43 2012.

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I think it was only the one-day "Funpass" that was good until 2 AM the next day, with the other (all the current) passes being good only until midnight, at least according to MTA public statements.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Feb 25 01:01:55 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Feb 24 23:23:16 2012.

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Yup.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 25 12:59:54 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Feb 24 23:23:16 2012.

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3a.m. on the Fun Pass. Anybody know of any unofficial grace periods for the midnight expiration on the unlimiteds though? I remember I would sometimes be able to use my Student Card a few minutes past the 8:30p.m. deadline - but not too many minutes - I think 8:36 was the best I got.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 25 14:33:12 2012, in response to Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by gbs on Fri Feb 24 21:41:29 2012.

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Here is something else that someone pointed out to me. If you refill it on March 9th, after it expires, it will say that the last day of use is April 8th. But if you don't use it on March 10th or 11th because it falls on a weekend, when you use it for the first time after the refill on March 12th, the expiration date will move April 8th to April 11th. That is also confusing.

Also, is it correct that you can refill it only after it expires and not several days before?

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Feb 25 15:08:47 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Feb 24 23:23:16 2012.

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They should have kept the fun pass

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by gbs on Sat Feb 25 21:29:51 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 25 14:33:12 2012.

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According to the Refill brochure, you can refill it once it has been activated (used for the first time), so you can refill it in advance. The refill begins to be used after the original expiration.

We discussed the roving expiration dates here before, when I posted that exact situation. My card had expired on Wednesday, I refilled it (but didn't use it) on Thursday, and the reader immediately showed a new expiration date 30 days from that Thursday, even though I hadn't used it. I checked the reader each day, Friday through Monday, and the expiration date kept changing to 30 days beyond the day I was testing it. When I finally used the refill for the first time on Tuesday, the display showed the real expiration date, 3/7, but the MVM shows 3/8.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by R30A on Sun Feb 26 00:09:36 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Feb 25 12:59:54 2012.

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3 AM in theory. On two occasions I was denied passage with a funpass after midnight. I think they cut back the hours on the card a few years before its discontinuance, and didn't bother to change any of the literature.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 26 06:30:20 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Feb 25 15:08:47 2012.

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I would bring it back as a weekend pass, valid from 7:00 PM Friday-4:00 AM Monday for $8.50 (extended to 4:00 AM Tuesday when Monday is a holiday and on Thanksgiving weekend, a special version for $12.50 valid from 7:00 PM Wednesday-4:00 AM the following Monday). It would be perfect for tourists in particular who are more likely to use the system on weekends and help leave a positive influence on them.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 26 11:12:14 2012, in response to Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by gbs on Fri Feb 24 21:41:29 2012.

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I've noticed this for as long s athere have been unlomited cardsa and MVMs. Most readers of English should be able to understand the messages mean the same thing.

But in deference to the many good NYers who may not be fluent in English and/or subway-ese, I agree that the messages shoukld eb consistent. I also thin that it's the LAST day of usage that should be displayed.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 26 11:15:40 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by gbs on Sat Feb 25 21:29:51 2012.

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To avoid any confusion to myself, I actually have 2 7-day cards. I don't refill a card 'till it's empty. Then, I refl it Thursday or Friday PM, while still using the other card...

Helps me out.. and never had a problem yet.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by B1bus on Mon Feb 27 17:26:11 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 26 06:30:20 2012.

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They are more concerned about resellers (swipers) than tourists.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by merrick1 on Mon Feb 27 19:50:11 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by B1bus on Mon Feb 27 17:26:11 2012.

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The solution to stop swipers would have been to have a longer lock out period for the same station. Two hours and eighteen minutes would have made it much harder on the swipers and had little effect on legitimate passengers.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by Transitbuff on Tue Feb 28 14:50:30 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Feb 24 23:23:16 2012.

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Actually, until 0005 the next day; At 0006, the next "cycle-of-six" starts and will lock out all expired cards!

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by Transitbuff on Tue Feb 28 14:51:57 2012, in response to Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by gbs on Fri Feb 24 21:41:29 2012.

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This date falls on the Jewish Purim, when zany things happen!

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 19:42:52 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by merrick1 on Mon Feb 27 19:50:11 2012.

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Two hours and eighteen minutes would have made it much harder on the swipers and had little effect on legitimate passengers.

While not technically a legitimate passenger use, I would often walk through stations to escape bad weather, then eventually ride the train (for example, going to bank / store / eatery before actually going anywhere). I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses this "advantage" when possible...
A 24 or 30 minute lockout should be enough to at least make it potentially costly for swipers.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by Mr RT on Wed Feb 29 07:03:49 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Feb 25 14:33:12 2012.

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"... can refill it only after it expires and not several days before?"

Only at the Sheepshead Bay station :-)


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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by B1bus on Thu Mar 1 00:42:44 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 19:42:52 2012.

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But when someone get a legitimate "just used", it would affect them also.

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Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?

Posted by merrick1 on Thu Mar 1 20:17:03 2012, in response to Re: Another MetroCard programming glitch?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 19:42:52 2012.

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That's why the extended lockout should be only at the same station. If a swiper has to keep moving to another station it would cut the profits.

I don't think I've ever entered the same station twice within the span of a few hours.

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