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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Nov 12 09:52:56 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. It worked well back a few years ago on the Floral Park segment of LIRR to replace the high speed switches.avid |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 11:46:57 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. Sources: MTA Plans To Close Multiple Subway Lines On Weeknights For RepairsBig chunks of subway lines could see overnight weeknight shutdowns to allow for repairs. Sources confirmed Saturday that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority wants to close sections of some lines, mostly in Manhattan, from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. for three or four nights in a row. It would be done to allow for simultaneous inspections and repairs every few months. A transit source said that it's a worthwhile tradeoff to get more done at once rather than a piecemeal approach. The impact would be mostly below 42nd Street since there are multiple parallel lines to give late night commuters more options. It's still unclear how much the plan would affect the long list of changes straphangers typically deal with on weekends. MTA officials say they will provide more details on Monday. ---- http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/150660/sources--mta-plans-to-close-multiple-subway-lines-on-weeknights-for-repairs |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Nov 12 12:53:08 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. The only commuters who would agree with this approach are the ones who do not ride between 10 PM and 5 AM.It would also give Jim Hoffer of Ch.7 Eyewtness News less to bitch about with track workers supposedly hanging around doing nada. Finally, this probably forces more personnel to work midnights. That sucks. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 12 12:57:57 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Nov 12 09:52:56 2011. Commuter rail is not the subway system.I see this working in Manhattan, where there are alternatives almost everywhere, outside the UES, within walking distance. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat Nov 12 14:42:01 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 12 12:57:57 2011. Might get things done quicker. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 12 14:52:44 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 11:46:57 2011. Purely thinking out loud:Suppose the IND Eighth Avenue line - from 42nd Street to West 4th Street was closed from 10pm to 5am on the four weeknight's plan. I could imagine A-trains sent down the D-line to West 4th Street, switched to the local tracks, for a ride down Spring Street and into Brooklyn. With E-train diverted down Sixth Avenue station. The only problem that I see - is that the 42nd Street-Eighth Avenue station does not really have a way to turn back trains north-bound, unless the 34th Street station is used - which involves the layup tracks north of 23rd Street. Suppose the IRT Seventh Avenue line - from 42nd Street to Chambers Street was closed from 10pm to 5am on the four weeknight's plan. I could imagine #2 and #3 trains terminated and relayed just south of the 42nd Street station, or even at the 34th Street center platform. Unless the 34th Street platform is used or #1 trains skip some local stations - I don't see how south-bound #1 trains will be terminated at 42nd Street. I could see the Chambers Street station as a terminate and relay point for the #2 and #3 from Brooklyn, and possibly a bus substitution for #1 riders to/from South Ferry, or a shuttle train. Suppose the BMT Manhattan Broadway line from 42nd Street to City Hall or Canal Street was closed from 10pm to 5am on the four weeknight's plan. This is the line that I have most difficulty imagining the operations. Except for 57th Street, 34th Street or the Canal Street area - this line really does not have much capability to return trains back to where they came from. For example - N-trains to/from Astoria could be turned at 42nd Street but that would have to use the express tracks skipping 49th Street. I could see R-trains diverted to Sixth Avenue during this period, and traveling by the D-train route to resume service in Brooklyn. I could see Q-trains from Brighton traveling through lower Manhattan to Canal Street but that would mean a really interesting relay operation at that station to return Q-trains to Brooklyn. Yes, the TA could send such Q-trains via the J-line to Essex Street - discharging riders at Canal Street - but I doubt that would happen. Suppose the Lexington Avenue line was closed from 10am to 5am on the four weeknight's plan from 42nd Street to Brooklyn Bridge. This is the easiest one to imagine. Both #4, #5 and #6 trains from the Bronx could terminate and relay on the both tracks at the uptown plaform at the Grand Central Station. Yes that is easy to imagine. Riders could be sent by the Shuttle train to the westside #2 or #3 running full-time to/from Brooklyn. Plus there are other transfers at 51-53rd Streets, and at 59th Street. Previous #4 G.O.'s have used #4 trains running as a shuttle between the Brooklyn Bridge station and the Brooklyn IRT lines. So yes - it is do-able. Just my thoughts. Mike |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 13 04:13:26 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 12 12:57:57 2011. And even on the UES, you have the option at 59th for the N/R there or doing an OOS transfer to the F or at 51st, the E during the hours the 4/5/6 would be shut down. Perhaps on those nights to compensate for the 4/5/6 being shut down south of 42nd, the R runs with the N with both as locals going to lower Manhattan and Brooklyn to duplicate what the 4/6 normally do overnights, especially since from 14th Street south, the 4/6 and N/R stations are reasonably close together.That may be a way to make this work. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by davesgcr on Sun Nov 13 07:03:42 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. Welcome to the world of the London Underground - with 20% or so of trackage shut most weekends ! |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Nov 13 08:48:14 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 13 04:13:26 2011. During late night hours, shuttle buses on Lexington and Third Avenues should be able to run at reasonable speeds. I was going to suggest that Metro-North allow subway passengers to ride between Harlem-125th and GCT during hours when the Lex is shut down between the corresponding stations, but Metro-North doesn't run all night anyway. Anyway, it seems like (for now) they are only talking about doing this south of 42nd St. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Nov 13 12:13:05 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 12 14:52:44 2011. For 8th Av work, there would be no service at all between CC and W4...or Jay St. The A would go down 6th and switch back to its usual route at W4 or Jay. The E would go to 2Av if there was work was s/o W4.On the BMT, Astoria service turns at Lex, 57th or 42nd. The Brooklyn N would run Whitehall-Coney Island. R in Brooklyn would be replaced by the J. Q would run Continental-Coney Island via 63rd/6th Av. B would be suspended. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Train2104 on Sun Nov 13 12:31:34 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. In my opinion, only these lines (reasonably) can be shut down:-8 Av and 7 Av south of 168 -6 Av -Lex south of 14th -Culver south of Church |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 13 17:55:05 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Train2104 on Sun Nov 13 12:31:34 2011. It wouldn't really be productive to shut Culver S/O Church sine being elevated, work can only be done there during daylight hours. Shutting lex S/O 14 St would work either since there is no place to turn S/B trains back north. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Train2104 on Mon Nov 14 14:03:41 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 13 17:55:05 2011. Well, the MTA released the list.Overnight closures (10PM-5AM): Lex GCT-Atlantic Jan 9-13 7 Av 34-Atlantic Feb 13-17 6 Av 59-W4 Feb 20-24 8 Av 59-Jay Mar 12-16 Full closures (24/7): (F) Parsons-Continental Manhattan-bound Local track 9 days (D) Bronx express 9 days (D) Bay Pkway to Stillwell 16 days (all tracks closed, busing) (2) 241 to Nereid 16 days (all tracks closed, busing) |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 14:14:37 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Train2104 on Mon Nov 14 14:03:41 2011. Some of that info: A Faster, Less Disruptive Way to Do Subway Work |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 14 14:31:59 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Train2104 on Mon Nov 14 14:03:41 2011. Correct, but those closures are between areas where trains can be turned back. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 14 14:53:31 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 14 14:31:59 2011. Or in the case of the 6th and 8th Avenue lines, rerouted. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 14 15:37:27 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Train2104 on Mon Nov 14 14:03:41 2011. Let's Play "Service Planner"!For the Lexington Closure: (4) and (6) Run between The Bronx and Grand Central. (3) Runs to New Lots overnight. (S) Runs overnight. For the 7th Avenue Closure: (1) and (3) Run between Northern Terminals and 34th Street. (2) Operates via Lexington Avenue Express. (S) Runs overnight. For the 6th Avenue Closure: (A) Operates Express between 145th and Canal Streets. (D) Operates in Two Sections: [1] between 205th Street, Bronx and 2nd Avenue via 8th Avenue Local [2] between Pacific Street and Coney Island. (F) Operates via 53rd Street/8th Avenue, Queens Local. (Q) Extended via 63rd Street to Continental Av, Queens Express. For the 8th Avenue Closure: (A) Operates via 6th Avenue between Columbus Circle and Jay Street. (E) Operates via 6th Avenue between 5th Av/53rd Street and 2nd Avenue. |
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PRESS RELEASE - -Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 14 18:09:01 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. MTA confirming release today: http://www.mta.info/news/stories/?story=451A Faster, Less Disruptive Way to Do Subway Work It's called the Line Segment Closure Program and will shorten the amount of time riders will have to navigate around construction projects. It's a new pragmatic approach to maintenance while still operating a 24/7 system. Seeking a new way to minimize rider inconvenience, maintain worker safety and reduce the overall time it takes to complete major track and signal repair work, MTA New York City Transit has developed a limited line and track closure initiative aimed at lessening the impacts of major construction projects. Finding adequate time to perform track and signal work remains a daunting challenge while running a system that operates 24/7. Inspecting, repairing and replacing tracks, signals, power supply and infrastructure is necessary work vital to the safety our customers and employees, often requiring a series of service suspensions or slowdowns in order to be performed. Transit's Line Segment Closure Program would shut portions of subway lines overnight for consecutive nights so that workers could go in and perform tasks without having to periodically stop while trains pass through the work site. Not running trains allows us to shut off power to the third rail, increasing employee safety. Performing work in this manner is expected to shorten the overall duration of projects, minimizing customer inconvenience and maximizing worker safety. Carefully planned, such closures would only be employed where alternate service is available. "We are one of the few transit systems that operate around the clock, so it's always a challenge to find time to do work on the tracks, especially with increased ridership on weekends and overnight," said MTA New York City Transit President Tom Prendergast. "Closing segments of lines so that we can get in and get the work done quickly benefits everyone – it's safer for workers, less disruptive for riders and gets projects done more efficiently." Four lines running through the central business district have been identified for the line closures, which will take place over four consecutive weeknights between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. The lines are the Eighth Ave, (A, C, E), Seventh Ave (1, 2, 3), Sixth Ave, (B, D, F, M) and Lexington Ave, (4, 5, 6). The initial pilot is planned for the week of January 9th, 2012 and involves the Lexington Ave. Line. During that period, service will be suspended between Grand Central/42nd Street and Atlantic Ave, while crews work on the tracks and signals and perform a thorough cleaning of the roadbed. Closures for track work typically takes place on nights and weekends, with trains traveling at slow speeds over the affected areas during daytime hours. Performing this type of work in this manner has caused multiple weeks of slow speed orders and nights and weekend work. As an example under the current, conventional method for shutdowns, planned worked on the Queens Blvd Line (Manhattan-bound local track from Parsons Blvd to Forest Hills/71st Ave) would mean eight weekend and 20 weeknight shutdowns for a total of 36 days of work. The new Line Segment Closure Program would limit to shutdown to nine days and save $1.3 million. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Nov 14 18:51:42 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 14 15:37:27 2011. For the 7th Avenue Closure:(1) and (3) Run between Northern Terminals and 34th Street. (2) Operates via Lexington Avenue Express. (S) Runs overnight Better idea (has a Bronx connection to the 7th Avenue line from 135 to 149 Sts) (1) 242 Street to 34th Street (2) Dyre Avenue to 34th Street (3) Replaced by shuttle bus 135-148 Sts (connect to (2) at 135 St) (5) 241 Street to Flatbush Avenue (via Lexington Avenue Express) (S) Runs overnight |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by mike nash on Mon Nov 14 18:54:15 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Train2104 on Mon Nov 14 14:03:41 2011. where will they stor the d's in brooklyn. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 14 18:59:32 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by mike nash on Mon Nov 14 18:54:15 2011. They could stack them up on the West End EL express track, that yard near JG depot where they keep the work trains, 4th Avenue express tracks etc. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 14 19:02:36 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Train2104 on Mon Nov 14 14:03:41 2011. When the (2) ends @ Nereid, is it a relay? |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Nov 14 21:09:29 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. >“I’d rather it be done quickly. I’m tired of construction on the tracks — if they could get it done quickly, that would be great,” said Kelly Murphy, 34, a customer service rep from Murray Hill.My sentiments exactly, with all the flagging we've been barraged with lately. Though this is underground lines. the outdoor J/M lines have been being rebuilt extensively, and there are just too many gangs squeezed into middays (And this is not even including the horribly botched track panel G.O.s where they won't even give us a supplement!) They should just bring bright lights and do all the maintenance work there. (And much of the lines are along commercial strips, and the residences that are along the line mostly have shades up anyway). |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Nov 14 22:20:58 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. Great idea. Short term pain, long term benefit. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 14 23:17:54 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by mike nash on Mon Nov 14 18:54:15 2011. They wont, the D will run via the Sea Beach and it doesnt change the run time nor the # of trains the D needs, so layups and putins will be normal. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 15 01:45:42 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 14 15:37:27 2011. One interesting aspect of "playing service planner" on the closed segments is figuring out a way that usual riders at those segments actually (meaning not in theory) find their way to the places that they would normally go. Meaning that it is not so much an exercise of how to move the trains, but more an effort to provide equivalent pathways from the closed places to the reminder of the line. What connects the segments that are created? What travel directions should be provided to the riders. That's important for this project to succeed.Just to pick one example: For the 6th Avenue Closure: (A) Operates Express between 145th and Canal Streets. (D) Operates in Two Sections: [1] between 205th Street, Bronx and 2nd Avenue via 8th Avenue Local [2] between Pacific Street and Coney Island. (F) Operates via 53rd Street/8th Avenue, Queens Local. (Q) Extended via 63rd Street to Continental Av, Queens Express. It is easy to say that riders who actually use the midtown Sixth Avenue stations could take the N, Q or R trains during the closed period, and transfer to/from D-trains in Brooklyn. Or use the #2 or #3 lines to Atlantic/Pacific complex for a transfer. Fair enough. Unstated - for D-train riders from the Bronx headed to/from Brooklyn - transfers at 59th Street or 42nd Street-Times would be needed for the #2 and #3 trains and a transfer back to the D-train at Atlantic/Pacific. This is what connects the D-train segments. Basically the MTA with its travel directions has a job ahead of itself, in some cases. In part because the subway lines at times was not really designed to work well together. Mike |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 15 10:05:06 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 14 19:02:36 2011. Into the yard, presumably. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 15 10:48:35 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 15 01:45:42 2011. The 2, N, and Q would provide connecting service between the two (D) segments. All transfers can be made at 42nd Street.I had a crazier plan for the D, which involved the south segment running via Broadway and 63rd all the way to CTL. I replaced it with a full-route R via 63rd, and truncated the southern D segment to Pacific. The full R was replaced with a segmented R, north segment terminating at 34th. Then I simplified it to an extended Q, which serves as both a Queens/63rd Street service, and an alternate for the D to Brooklyn. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by jrf2 on Tue Nov 15 11:06:12 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. Think the MTA will create an 'OVERNIGHTER' map similiar to the 'WEEKENDER' to help people out? Most of the software is already available !! |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Nov 15 11:10:07 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 13 04:13:26 2011. And even on the UES, you have the option at 59th for the N/R there or doing an OOS transfer to the F or at 51st, the E during the hours the 4/5/6 would be shut down.How would any of that be useful to someone at 96/Lex during a shutdown between 42 and 125 Streets? |
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Posted by IRT/O on Tue Nov 15 12:26:13 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. What happens if it snows on Jan. 9th or 11th? |
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Posted by IRT/O on Tue Nov 15 12:27:20 2011, in response to Snowbirds, posted by IRT/O on Tue Nov 15 12:26:13 2011. Sorry. I tried to put this in the thread about weeknight shutdowns. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 15 12:35:40 2011, in response to Snowbirds, posted by IRT/O on Tue Nov 15 12:26:13 2011. They'd probably cancel any GO that shuts down an entire line before Friday if there's a potential for snowfall. I believe activating Plan 4 would do that across the system. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 15 14:17:45 2011, in response to Re: Snowbirds, posted by IRT/O on Tue Nov 15 12:27:20 2011. And you did. Didn't you? |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 15 14:40:59 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 15 10:05:06 2011. Either into the yard or just on the yard leads immediately N/O Nereid. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 15 15:02:51 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Nov 14 18:51:42 2011. Actually, you don't really need the (S) overnight as long as the (7) is running, since that also goes between the terminals and there are stairways from platforms at both GC and TS that lead to/from the (7) |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 15 15:05:58 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Nov 15 11:10:07 2011. Point is, if you are going from the UES to the LES, you do have options:If you're going to Houston Street, you can do an OOS transfer to the F from 59th (walking from 60th-63rd) and taking the F to 2nd Avenue or you can at 51st take the E to West 4th and get the F that way. You are going anywhere pretty much from 23rd street to the lower end of Manhattan, you can take the N/R, as from about 23rd Street and lower the N/R stops one block west of the 4/5/6. |
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Re: Snowbirds |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 15 18:19:11 2011, in response to Snowbirds, posted by IRT/O on Tue Nov 15 12:26:13 2011. I would imagine exactly the same policy as with any GO when trains are laid up underground: it's suspended one night at a time. |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Lance52 on Tue Nov 15 19:34:49 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 15 15:02:51 2011. They've been running the 42nd Street shuttle overnights as a supplement to the (7) for the past month or so when the (2) (and (3)) weren't running to Brooklyn. What's to say they won't do the same when the lower 7th & Lexington Avenue lines are shut down next year? |
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NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document} |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Nov 15 20:02:19 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. 17 pages - 618 KBhttp://mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/LineSegmentClosure111114.pdf |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 15 21:44:11 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 15 10:48:35 2011. I guess that one point I was trying to make - is that a whole series of "train travel plans" can be made for this kind of operation, some better or worse than other plans - by us amateur "transit planners". Go ahead, knock yourself out creating such plans - have a great time.Just keep in mind that there are REAL PEOPLE who have to get from point A to point B during the time periods of these transit line closings. These folks will need clear understandable and "do-able" transit directions and assistance to get from their usual point A to point B. The various subway lines were not always created to work well with each other. Distances on subway maps, and on the actual streets when one has to actually walk them can be very different. Having to make a variety of connections between the segments might not be a good thing to ask the riders. Meaning a preference for simplicity might be in order. Plus there may need to be shuttle buses for segments that the other subway lines do not cover well. Still all of this is interesting. Mike |
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Re: NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document} |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Nov 15 23:36:38 2011, in response to NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document}, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Nov 15 20:02:19 2011. Interesting |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 16 03:01:55 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Lance52 on Tue Nov 15 19:34:49 2011. They probably will, but it's not necessary:I've actually found it easier to go to the (7) platform as opposed to the shuttle when I had to go between Grand Central and Times Square. Plus, those coming down the Lexington line (or going up) and switch to the N/R at Times Square to/from the 4/5/6 at 59th. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 16 10:33:46 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 16 03:01:55 2011. I actually see arguments for both sides.Pro The 7, like other lines, runs three trains per hour overnight. The 4 and 6 combined have six trains per hour during that time. Even until 3 AM, Flushing-bound trains are standing room only leaving Manhattan. Extra trains would be needed to handle the crowds. Some people consider transferring to the S easier than transferring to the 7 due to the 7's relatively deep location at both stations. Con The route from Grand Central to Times Square via the 7 is 100% ADA accessible. The S is a redundant service. Running it overnight requires additional crews to operate the trains. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 16 11:52:12 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Nov 16 10:33:46 2011. From a previous message:"Con The route from Grand Central to Times Square via the 7 is 100% ADA accessible. The S is a redundant service. Running it overnight requires additional crews to operate the trains." The word "redundant" has the connotation of meaning "not useful, not necessary", which is not always the case. Just because a person has two eyes, does not mean that one of them is "redundant" or un-necessary. Yes, the Times Square-Grand Central shuttle may seem "redundant" but it carries an awful amount of folks for quick trips, and relieves the #7 to better service Queens riders. During the transit closure periods, and for the #2, #4, #3, #5 - G.O. work periods that shuttle can be very useful. In addition - a couple of train crews that would have worked their usual longer distance runs - can be spared to work the Times Square shuttle. It is not like the MTA is suddenly short of man-power. Mike |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Nov 16 15:09:22 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 15 01:45:42 2011. For a 6th Av closure: |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Nov 16 15:17:29 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Nov 16 15:09:22 2011. The C could also run, but it would have to swap local/express roles with the D on CPW/8th to avoid unnecessary switching at Canal. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Nov 17 01:32:39 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Nov 16 15:09:22 2011. The C and M would be suspended regardless since the closure will be in effect during overnight hours. I think they would end service on these lines early to get work trains and crew in place.I thought of another alternate service plan for the 6th Avenue closure. (D) Operates between 205th Street, Bronx, and Jay Street, Brooklyn, operating via 8th Avenue Express. Transfer between the (D) and the (J) at Fulton Street or Jay Street. Grand Street station CLOSED. Use nearby Bowery station on the J line. (Best route from Uptown: Transfer to F at West 4th, then transfer to J at Delancey.) (F) Operates via 53rd Street/8th Avenue Local between Roosevelt Avenue and West 4th Street. (J) Extended via the West End Line to Coney Island. (Q) Extended to 21st Street-Queensbridge. Shuttle bus connects this station with Queens Plaza for (E)(F) service. This split D/J service assumes that either B3 track at Bergen Street or A5 track between Lafayette Av and Clinton-Washington are available for use as a relay for the north section. Keep in mind that the A runs local along Fulton Street during this time. The South Brooklyn (D) section could also start at either Whitehall Street or City Hall on the Broadway line, but I've seldom seen Whitehall used as a north terminal (I hear there's a derail involved), and I'm quite sure the relay tracks for a City Hall terminal cannot accommodate a 600-foot-long train. I think this provides a fair balance between moving trains around the affected area and minimizing inconvenience for passengers. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Nov 17 15:57:33 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Nov 17 01:32:39 2011. I'm quite sure the relay tracks for a City Hall terminal cannot accommodate a 600-foot-long train.Why? They have the length from north of the interlocking at City Hall all the way to Canal St. upper. |
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