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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:41:42 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:31:18 2011. So are going to remind me or keep wasting everyone's time? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:42:27 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:28:11 2011. I think he was being serious. I see no reason why he would have not been serious. I don't see how he would have benefited at all. I don't see what kind of point he would have been making. And AFAIK he has never claimed that it was not serious. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:42:29 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:40:40 2011. That was IN NO WAY AN INSULT! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:43:06 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:57:43 2011. You have GOT to be kidding me!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:43:28 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:41:42 2011. The elevator at Atlantic Avenue that bypasses the stairs that you think should have had an escalator. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:43:28 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:35:06 2011. Thanks. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:44:32 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:30:34 2011. But people are familiar with clover leafs. It's only a problem if there isn't enough advance notice. Same thing when the exit is on the left. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:47:21 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:44:32 2011. So you believe that a person unfamiliar with a highway's interchange layouts but knowing that he will have to go left will expect to exit from the left lane? SERIOUSLY?!?For another thing, motorists should always KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. Left exits interfere with that. If you do not expect to exit left, you should do that and you probably shouldn't be doing any passing if you know you'll be exiting soon but don't know exactly how soon. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:48:01 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:38:00 2011. But you don't know you are in trouble until it's too late. So are you saying GPSs shouldn't be used at night?And I told you I don't know what elevator you are referring to. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:48:16 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:35:53 2011. Maybe he didn't trust them since he got wrong directions once from them. That would be retarded. it also wasn't my position to TELL him what to do. You know what I meant. It was certainly your position to tell him to stop dicking around because you want to get to your destination TODAY, not next week. Why don't you grow a brain and stop insulting everyone in 50% of your posts? I certainly don't insult everyone. And when I want to insult someone, I am successful almost 100% of the time, not 50% of the time. So why don't you grow a brain and start recognizing that you have been wrong countless times in this thread, in the elevator thread, and in many previous threads? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:48:48 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:38:22 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:49:48 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:48:01 2011. How would you not know you're in trouble until you're too late? If a GPS tells you to turn right into some railroad tracks, then a normal person ignores it and keeps going straight and therefore never gets into trouble. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:54:41 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:39:05 2011. No, that's not true at all. I speak the truth in my posts. I use valid reasoning and logic. I specifically DO NOT change the subject! That's how I know you are full of crap. Almost everyone here knows I do not change the subject, rather I continue to harp on a point until you want to gouge your eyes out.I've been having an intellectual discussion with you all night. How do you not see it? I have shown, using valid logic and reasoning, almost all of the times you have consistently been wrong in this thread. Spider-Pig has pointed out most of the other times in this thread. And you have the nerve to say this to me right after you just finished with that elevator thread?!? You seem to be either delusional or senile. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:57:29 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:41:42 2011. Only your time is being wasted. It's pretty hilarious for many of the rest of us. What really puts all this into perspective is the fact that you replied to almost all the other posts in that thread except for the one where you were conclusively shown to be 100% wrong. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 5 00:57:37 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:39:05 2011. True indeed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:57:59 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:42:29 2011. Thank you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:59:13 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:48:16 2011. He decided to call our friend for directions because he trusted him more than On Star. according to you, I should have started an argument by insisting he call OnStar instead. You behave the way you want to by arguing with everyone and I'll behave the way I want to. We got the correct directions from my friend so we made the right decision without any arguments. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:00:06 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:40:40 2011. That was not an insult. But what you just wrote IS an insult. So now I shall insult you back. You are a moron. Or maybe senile. I'm just making guesses here. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 01:00:44 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:49:48 2011. I was talking about making a turn onto a street where traffic was going the wrong way, not turning onto railroad tracks you can see |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:03:47 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:47:21 2011. Agreed 100%. BrooklynBus is totally off-base. Besides, how in the world would someone who is in unfamiliar territory and who hasn't done the proper advanced planning know that they ultimately need to be turning left from their current position at any one time??? Roads bend! Assuming they are too dumb to be looking at a compass, how will they know that it will be a left turn? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:04:26 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:49:48 2011. Excellent post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:05:35 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:48:01 2011. What Spider-Pig said.And I'm not buying your "I forget about the elevator thread" business unless you truly are senile. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:08:33 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 01:00:44 2011. I was talking about making a turn onto a street where traffic was going the wrong way Hello?!!?! There would be ONE-WAY signs posted!!! That's why they are there! They are meant to be seen at night!!! Seeing those signs is the most basic way that people know not to turn the wrong way down those streets!! If you follow the GPS's advice and turn down that street, then you are a bad driver and would likely do the same thing even without GPS! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:09:53 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:59:13 2011. Except that OnStar knows exactly where you are right now via GPS so they'd be best to help you get to where you are going. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Aug 5 01:14:44 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by merrick1 on Thu Aug 4 22:43:16 2011. A simple grid sign would suffice:
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 01:43:32 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 01:00:44 2011. And I was just giving an example. The nature of the wrong turn is irrelevant. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 01:43:51 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:08:33 2011. Good post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 01:46:25 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 01:03:47 2011. I assume that one has looked at a map without interchange detail. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 04:43:47 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:23:12 2011. I've never heard of Easton, PA. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 04:53:07 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:59:34 2011. I had been to Haifa before, but never as a driver until earlier this week. Driving and walking or being a bus passenger are very different. Due to the hill, there are many staircases to create shortcuts over walking on regular streets that cars use, so the way one drives and the way one walks are often not the same.You shouldn't need a sign to tell you not to turn into the East River. There is a concrete barrier on the side of the highway that gives (at least to me) a pretty strong indication not to turn right. GPSs are only as good as their programming. Human beings can potentially do better. Based on the posts you've made in this thread, I'm forced to question your judgment as a driver; I don't think I'd feel terribly confident in your driving and decision making abilities while doing so. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 04:55:30 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:50:31 2011. I know plenty of people like that, and I simply refuse to rely on their directions. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Aug 5 05:00:01 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 04:43:47 2011. i heard of it, on da east coast of PA. google it.chud1 |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 05:04:42 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:44:32 2011. There is plenty of advance notice of all left exists. If the "tab" on the top of the sign with the exit number is flush with the left side of the main part of the sign, it is a left exit. If it is flush with the right side (or if it is centered or in some other position, assume) it is a right exit.View Larger Map |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 05:05:40 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:57:52 2011. LOL |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 05:16:51 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:54:13 2011. You said there is no substitute for good signage. I showed two examples of how relying solely on GPS or solely on signs wouldn't have gotten me to where I wanted to go (without some consequences). The key to getting through both situations was common sense and orienteering skills, and you even agreed with me. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 05:23:46 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 22:23:55 2011. I like when they have two control cities, a well known city that might be far away and then something closer that might not be as well known. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 05:45:17 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 01:43:51 2011. Thank you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 05:49:17 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 04:43:47 2011. Really? It has a cool ex-station location visible from the highway. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 05:50:01 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 04:53:07 2011. Great post. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 5 06:26:43 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 21:14:58 2011. LOL |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 5 06:35:46 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:16:32 2011. You mean everyone is so close- minded or selfish that they can't put themselves in the place of someone who doesnt have all the timetables memorized and imagine how they would feel.No, I just mean that one tends not to pay as much attention to signage if one knows where one's going anyway. This board is inevitably full of people who know the subway well, so we're not exactly likely to be the most demanding people about information design on the subway. It doesn't mean that people don't care or that you're in any way wrong to care. As it happens, I agree with you about service spans on signage, although countdown clocks are inevitably a better solution than printing schedule information onto fixed signs (and then not replacing the signs when the schedule changes). |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 06:41:57 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 04:53:07 2011. Also, Haifa's streets are by no means straight. This is the route that Google wanted me to take and this is the route I ended up taking. I had a road map in Hebrew only that didn't include the details of the cities in the car and no GPS. Seem to have done OK using the skills I identified as being most important (and one can always ask for directions, though Israeli directions are often less than helpful). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 06:43:17 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 5 06:26:43 2011. :) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 5 06:52:54 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:23:12 2011. FWIW, Rand McNally's Commercial Atlas and Marketing Guide rates the cities as follows:Allentown 2-AA Bethlehem 3-B Easton 3-B And their 2010 populations are: Allentown 118,032 Bethlehem 71,329 Easton 26,800 Phillipsburg 14,950 |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 5 06:58:45 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:52:22 2011. There were no barriers or do not enter signs or one-way signs. It was just a normal two way street with a mall instead of a double yellow line. The only way to tell it was one way was the way the cars are parked. if no one was parked, you wouldn't know.Where is this intersection? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 5 07:04:14 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:39:07 2011. Maybe people don't know that New Haven is in Connecticut?Maybe the person who designed the sign is from Oswego County? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Aug 5 07:30:20 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:39:05 2011. T*R*U*T*H* |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Aug 5 08:09:55 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:39:05 2011. In one ear out the other.. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Aug 5 08:56:39 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Aug 5 01:14:44 2011. Just a heads up, where it says Time$ indicates where a digital clock would be positioned. The term comes from the BASIC programming language, where it is used as a read-only variable which returns a string formatted with the current time of day according to the computer's internal clock.For example: “PRINT TIME$” would work, but “TIME$ = "Kumquat"” would not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 09:39:27 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 5 05:16:51 2011. I do agree with you. All I am saying is that there is no reason for signs to be confusing. They should help guide you not confuse you. What is the problem with that. Of course you shouldn't rely solely on GPS. I've said that too. and I'm also a great believer in common sense. I really don't see whatbthe conflict is. |
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