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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:56:17 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:40:02 2011.

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I thought we weren't talking about the next major city but ones that were really far away.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:57:43 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 20:53:56 2011.

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When did I say anything about elevators?

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:01:14 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:41:14 2011.

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Again, not infallible, and another call to Onstar will usually correct the problem. I had an issue with them giving me poor directions to the USS New Jersey; once I found it by following the directions that the Onstar rep read me (instead of the automated system, not only did I get where I needed to be, Onstar was able to update their system with the correct destination.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:04:03 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 14:33:24 2011.

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The problem with that is two-fold; first, you assume that someone at the gas station would know the area; second, you assume they would speak English well enough to have their instructions understood.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:04:10 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:50:39 2011.

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Thanks. I was getting confused. I thought he was talking about my statement that I was getting confused about the Verrazano Bridge sign far away from the bridge. That took several years to figure out. When I was talking about the Garmin, "finally" was more like 20 seconds.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:05:21 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin station on Thu Aug 4 19:53:42 2011.

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Remind me what you are referring to.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:05:21 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin station on Thu Aug 4 19:53:42 2011.

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Remind me what you are referring to.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:09:06 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 19:53:44 2011.

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If the Laurelton and the Cross Island are both the Belt, then you are exiting left and continuing on the right and that holds true going both north and south. So why would you say it's not confusing? it's exactly as you described.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:09:41 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:56:17 2011.

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There are signs that tell you how far the 'really far' cities are, but they're pretty rare. And if you're driving THAT far, you've planned your trip well in advance. You don't get in the car for a 1000 mile journey relying entirely upon GPS to guide you. It's idiotic.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:10:02 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:56:17 2011.

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There are signs that tell you how far the 'really far' cities are, but they're pretty rare. And if you're driving THAT far, you've planned your trip well in advance. You don't get in the car for a 1000 mile journey relying entirely upon signs and GPS to guide you. It's idiotic.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:12:42 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:54:34 2011.

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Point 1 I understand. What is the point of the second paragraph? All you are describing is a typical clover leaf. What does that have to with the discussion?

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 5 00:13:20 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 15:40:35 2011.

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Speaking of, what's with the newer signs having the state, also? Like on the Cross Bronx Expressway:

I-95 North
New Haven, CT
KEEP LEFT

Although the comma is missing (or forgotten) on some of them.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:13:42 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 23:48:05 2011.

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At least you're not talking about me this time.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:16:04 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:09:06 2011.

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It's NOT confusing, unless the signs are incorrect. The highway sign bible (MUTCD) says that left-exits should have the exit number tab on the left side of the sign; in NYC, those numbers are rarely in the right place.

Left-exits, though rare, are not abnormal.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:16:28 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:52:22 2011.

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I'm just saying at night in an unfamiliar area it would be easy to follow the GPS and get in trouble.

Only if you are weak minded. So are you going to reply to my post?

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:16:32 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Aug 4 20:58:46 2011.

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You mean everyone is so close- minded or selfish that they can't put themselves in the place of someone who doesnt have all the timetables memorized and imagine how they would feel.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:17:22 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by merrick1 on Thu Aug 4 22:43:16 2011.

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Exactly.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:19:21 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:01:14 2011.

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As I said it wasn't my car. I can't answer why my friend didn't do what you did.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:20:34 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:54:13 2011.

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Yes he did. I'll quit when you start engaging in honest intellectual debate and admitting when you are wrong and learning from your mistakes. No, most people here couldn't care one way or the other - the ones who specifically claim to not like me are predominantly the ones with sticks up their asses over being told that they are wrong (when they are). So it makes perfect sense. What's the problem? Why would I want them to like me?

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:22:06 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Aug 4 22:45:10 2011.

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I'm not that familiar with them. I know Fredericton is the capital and that Moncton is larger. IINM* St. John (not to be confused with St. John's, NL) is the largest city in New Brunswick. Halifax though seems to be the only Maritime city that is of any useful size.

*I looked it up, it is.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:22:45 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 22:53:38 2011.

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Your plan would make the current exit 13 into exit 1, mine would make it Exit 26. So I actually meant +25. My bad.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:23:12 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:30:15 2011.

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Not Allentown or Bethlehem? Aren't those bigger?

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:23:12 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:09:41 2011.

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Well wasn't that what people were saying here that you don't need the signs because everyone now uses a GPS so it doesn't matter if some signs are confusing? Wasn't that what sparked this entire conversation?

I agree that you can't only rely on GPS.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:26:26 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 18:59:34 2011.

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You have an awful GPS system. Take it back and buy a new one.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:27:05 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:47:36 2011.

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No, a better question is why didn't you call back and tell them they made a mistake and to give you the correct directions?! The intelligent ones here already know the answer to your "better question" - the answer is that they made a mistake! It happens.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:27:37 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 23:43:49 2011.

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Knowing the name without the designator is usually enough. You still don't know the names of the streets?

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:28:11 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 4 23:46:06 2011.

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Because he wasn't being serious.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:28:22 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:16:04 2011.

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It's only confusing because you expect to turn right when going right so you may be in the right lane.

If the sign is to exit left and there is heavy traffic you may find yourself having to cross two lanes at the last moment and in NY some drivers won't let you in so you may have to almost come to a complete stop to make the lane switches before the exit.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:29:17 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:19:21 2011.

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Huh? Just because it wasn't your car doesn't mean you can't tell your "friend" to grow a brain and call them back!

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:29:37 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Fri Aug 5 00:04:03 2011.

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way to miss the point, hank

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:30:06 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:04:10 2011.

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Why would you think that? Can't you follow a subthread?

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:30:07 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:16:28 2011.

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Which one? And what does being weak-minded have to do with anything?

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:30:34 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:12:42 2011.

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Because in a cloverleaf you exit right to go left. In a typical diamond too. Hell, even a stack you go right first.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:31:18 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:05:21 2011.

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Seriously? You don't recall a discussion you may have recently had concerning an elevator? And you expect people to take what you write about transportation planning to be gospel???

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:31:36 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:05:21 2011.

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Remind me what you are referring to.

Seriously? You don't recall a discussion you may have recently had concerning an elevator? And you expect people to take what you write about transportation planning to be gospel???

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:33:35 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:23:12 2011.

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LOL! You don't remember your own post about being confused about the sign for the Verrazano Bridge?!?

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:33:50 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Aug 4 23:57:43 2011.

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In a different thread.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:34:31 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:13:42 2011.

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I don't post lies about you.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:35:06 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:29:37 2011.

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Yes.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:35:06 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:16:32 2011.

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Incorrect. That is NOT what he means.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:35:53 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:29:17 2011.

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Maybe he didn't trust them since he got wrong directions once from them. it also wasn't my position to TELL him what to do. Why don't you grow a brain and stop insulting everyone in 50% of your posts?

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Aug 5 00:36:28 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 4 11:14:32 2011.

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Interesting… with I-95 being discontinuous in New Jersey, Philadelphia ought to be the control city shown on signs that far south.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:38:00 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:30:07 2011.

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The post about the elevator.

Weak minded people would follow a GPS at night into a situation where they would get into trouble. That should have been pretty clear.

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:38:22 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:28:22 2011.

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It's only confusing because you expect to turn right when going right so you may be in the right lane.

Once again: NO!

There isn't a problem if the signs are posted with sufficient advance notice.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:39:05 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:20:34 2011.

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You are the one who can't have an intellectual debate. Don't you remember? Thats why I stopped talking to you in the first place. You kept going round and round in circles changing the subject. Its not possible to have an intellectual discussion with you.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:39:07 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Aug 5 00:13:20 2011.

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Maybe people don't know that New Haven is in Connecticut?

It's the birthplace of George W. Bush!

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:39:37 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:33:35 2011.

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Omg!!! LOL!!!!!

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:40:34 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:23:12 2011.

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Well wasn't that what people were saying here that you don't need the signs because everyone now uses a GPS so it doesn't matter if some signs are confusing?

What people were saying that?

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Re: Signage and Customer Service

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Aug 5 00:40:40 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 5 00:30:06 2011.

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Here we go again. More insults. That's what you do best.

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Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 00:41:28 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Aug 5 00:36:28 2011.

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But that far south it's still the most direct route to New York.

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