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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sat Apr 16 23:49:07 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 16 23:41:37 2011.

Why do you feel the need to bump posts?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 17 00:31:14 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 12 02:34:40 2011.

I see 2 trains at the terminal during off-peak times. I'm not sure how much the intervals/headways changed since Christie opened.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sun Apr 17 01:01:02 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 16 23:41:28 2011.

Did you read the post he replied to or do you need Hooked on Phonics?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 17 07:14:04 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 16 22:51:28 2011.

Yes, that why I was asking cause I knew it was not for the June pick. But, given what you are saying, I am not really seeing it happen. It would be nice to see, but not sure if it is practical. I guess we will see the next pick after June.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 17 08:15:03 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 16 22:51:28 2011.

The MTA has been trying to get rid of the Nassau/Southern Brooklyn Service for years, and they finally do, and now all of a sudden people think they want to bring it back, and in a time of budget problems (and car shortage)? The Broad St/Montague connection has become the "new" Railfan "Chryrstie" Connection.....

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 17 09:48:06 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 16 22:51:28 2011.

Nobody has answered a question I posed a few months ago: where are they supposed to get the cars from to run the J (or Z) to Bay Pky, even if it's very limited service. NYCT can barely make full servcie as it is. The summer makes car availability even tighter.

Be careful of the answers you might get!! The railfan dreamers will go on and on about putting the R-32s in service for that, especially the ones laid up in Fresh Pond!! :-D

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 09:49:35 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by arnine on Sun Apr 17 07:14:04 2011.

I don't see this happening because NYCT is crying poverty financially.

This Bay Pky. thing is just another railfan fantasy. Is the D that overcrowded south of 36th/4th? If it is, I mentioned that in my opposition to the M reroute in the first place.

You are not having it both ways: the M got rerouted at the expense of south Brooklyn.

I am not interested in having another discourse of the M being more useful via Sixth Ave. The point is in today's climate if one improvement comes, there is a loss somewhere else, which is exactly what has happened.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 09:51:03 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 17 08:15:03 2011.

For a response, see my previous post.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 17 09:52:52 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 09:49:35 2011.

This Bay Pky. thing is just another railfan fantasy.

IAWTP 1000%

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 10:05:10 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 17 09:48:06 2011.

In their justification, the rail fans/foamers start mentioning alleviating the shortage with cars not even ordered yet!

Obviously the cars in FP Yd, and the 10 allegedly in CIYD, are poor performers, not fit for service.

I know for a fact that I see certain R32's on the C for a very limited time, because they mess up and spend more time in the yard than on the road because they get knocked out for problem after problem after problem. 3792/93, 3912/13............

These cars have no business being everyday cars. There is a foam fest here only because of the RFW. The only thing that's saved them is their superior car bodies and the necessity of retiring the R44's. If we still had the old M and V we'd have a severe car shortage right now.

And I'm tired of hearing how superior the R32's are to the R46's due to MBDF. Those figures do not tell the story. Those who are not associated with the C line don't know that 90% of the time there are gap trains available at Euclid and 168 for when a train is ordered shopped upon arrival, another train is available. So a swap of trains is made for the next trip, without a terminal abandonment. Car equipment does not take a hit on MBDF. On the other hand, except at Dyckman St. and Lefferts during the non-rush, there is no place to have a gap train for the A, so a shop upon arrival becomes an abandonment for the next trip, hence a hit to the MBDF.



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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 17 10:10:57 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 10:05:10 2011.

And I'm tired of hearing how superior the R32's are to the R46's due to MBDF. Those figures do not tell the story. Those who are not associated with the C line don't know that 90% of the time there are gap trains available at Euclid and 168 for when a train is ordered shopped upon arrival, another train is available. So a swap of trains is made for the next trip, without a terminal abandonment. Car equipment does not take a hit on MBDF. On the other hand, except at Dyckman St. and Lefferts during the non-rush, there is no place to have a gap train for the A, so a shop upon arrival becomes an abandonment for the next trip, hence a hit to the MBDF.

I remember the crappy R-38s!! Every time I worked the C, we had one problem or another with them, especially loads of door problems. The R-32s did far better than they did.

As for a gap train, when word was coming of a train being taken out for mechanical problems, can't they just get a trainset out of Rockaway Park Yard to replace a B/O train coming in off the road??? It is as simple as sending a switching T/O from Far Rockaway to Rock Park to get it. Last I recall, especially in the afternoon, they still had a switching T/O at Far Rock.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 17 10:16:20 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 10:05:10 2011.

And I'm tired of hearing how superior the R32's are to the R46's due to MBDF. Those figures do not tell the story. Those who are not associated with the C line don't know that 90% of the time there are gap trains available at Euclid and 168 for when a train is ordered shopped upon arrival, another train is available.

T*R*U*T*H

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 17 12:22:44 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 17 08:15:03 2011.

I agree with you just with all the talk of what cars will go where when it happens I got confused and took it seriously, lol I guess this is the new M/V combo or 76th Street item to talk about :)

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 17 12:55:33 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 09:49:35 2011.

I agree Bill, I just asked in the first place because I thought with all the car speculation that I took it seriously, but couldn't remember it being confirmed, evidently I fell for a dream scenarios vs real life scenario.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 17 13:28:07 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 09:49:35 2011.

But the 4 Brooklyn "X" bus restorations was not a zero-sum game, but a net add.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 17 13:31:01 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 10:05:10 2011.

So do you believe the R32/R46 swap will take place between the C and A-Lefferts in May ?

If it happens, and the R32 MDBF go down and the R46 one goes up, your theory is proven.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 17 13:47:36 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Apr 17 09:52:52 2011.

The M/V combo was also a railfan fantasy and look what happened.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by MCI GUY on Sun Apr 17 16:30:04 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by vfrt on Wed Apr 6 18:32:21 2011.

figures chipper 10 involved. this wont happen. the x23 will be taken over by nyct. after its si pickups it will prceed to bay parkway bklyn proceed along d line stops underneath thence go into manh.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by MCI GUY on Sun Apr 17 16:33:27 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sun Apr 17 01:01:02 2011.

hes hooked on hookers.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 17 17:19:47 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sun Apr 17 01:01:02 2011.

Once again, whineberg is dealing with his perceptions and not facts. The Staten Island R-44s are different structurally. They have a different propulsion system, different braking system and a different door system. They were built closer to R-46 standards than to R-44 standards. But why confuse whineberg with facts.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by arnine on Sun Apr 17 17:41:00 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 17 17:19:47 2011.

Also, they have lower mileage compared to the NYCTA R44s IINM.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 17:51:30 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by arnine on Sun Apr 17 17:41:00 2011.

You haven't replied yet.

How so? The mainland cars needed to be replaced. So what makes you think the SIRT cars wouldn't need to be replaced?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sun Apr 17 17:58:40 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 17:51:30 2011.

You need to be replaced.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Apr 17 19:19:12 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sun Apr 17 17:58:40 2011.

Man! You're making all the best replies to TurdSpitting Sludgehole that I've had the pleasure of reading in a long time!
+1

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 19:32:24 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by randyo on Sun Apr 17 13:47:36 2011.

It was a marriage of convience.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 19:38:39 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 17 13:31:01 2011.

There will be no R32/R46 swap. Another foaming SubChat fantasy/April Fools joke. That would be a dispatchers' nightmare. If the trains don't come up from Brooklyn in sequence and it's time for a Far Rock train @207 and you only have an R32 what happens?

What happens if the car inspector is doing an in station repair at 207 and a train swap is needed?

What happens at the end of the night at 207 when Lefferts needs 2 R46 trains to cut for midnight OPTO service (1 cut and 1 gap)?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 18 15:56:16 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 17 17:19:47 2011.

The SI R-44s when delivered were electrically and mechanically identical to the mainline R-44s and some mainline 44s were subsequently transferred to SIRT and appropriately modified. The electrical and mechanical differences only came about when the cars were GOHed. Prior to GOH the mainline R-44s received Westcode's version of RT-2 (SMEE) brakes and Vapor door control systems. These features were retained after GOH. The SI R-44s, on the other hand were GOHed under a separate contract although they were done at CIYd and although I'm not sure what door modifications were made, I do know that they received WABCO RT-2 brakes with Cineston controllers. For some reason, although one train of mainline R-44s and one train of R-46s was WABCO equipped, the MTA opted to go with Westcode brakes on the R-44s and NYAB Newtran brakes on the GOHed R-46s.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 18 17:01:12 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by randyo on Mon Apr 18 15:56:16 2011.

Where the 52 or 64 physically any different due to FRA regs ?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 18 21:21:09 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 18 17:01:12 2011.

AFAIK, they were not physically different per se but they did need a few accessories added to bring them into compliance with FRA regs.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 18 21:23:00 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 13 07:23:24 2011.

I wonder how many people now stay on the M into Manhattan instead of transferring for the L at Wycoff? I suspect that the ride is much more convenient for Ridgewood/Middle Villagers, but at the same time, I'm sure OTP is down compared to when the M went to Bay Parkway.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 7 08:07:15 2012, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by checkthedoorlight on Sun Apr 10 11:20:30 2011.

That thread no longer works since NYC Transit Forums was moved to a new board after the recent attack.

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