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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 13 07:23:24 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 12 17:58:48 2011.

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The M has more TPH than it used to, even if just slightly. That's a "good" thing.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 13 07:30:30 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 12 02:34:40 2011.

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The trains don't dwell as long at Met as they used to, as the TPH are slightly better now.
I haven't encountered, nor heard about, any of the "horrors" you claimed would happen to the Eastern Division portion when the combination of the M/V was imminent last year around this time.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 13 07:31:57 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 11:58:32 2011.

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They barely seeked to use them when it had full M train headways there....

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 07:37:37 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 13 07:30:30 2011.

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? What is the number of TPH now?

Ask some crews what it's like. Or let's see the OTP when it comes out.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 13 07:48:05 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Apr 12 22:18:20 2011.

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Curly forgot to say, "Hey - I resemble that remark!"

Let's face it - Moe wore out his welcome down there.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Apr 13 08:35:13 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 12 02:34:40 2011.

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LuchAAA, I work the M Monday-Wednesday and I see many time during my 2 trips into Met 2 train sitting there. If the Road IS messed up thats when there seams to be only one train sitting at Met, becouse when one train comes in it must leave right away.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 13 09:13:14 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Apr 13 08:35:13 2011.

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LuchAAA, I work the M Monday-Wednesday and I see many time during my 2 trips into Met 2 train sitting there.

I dont see it often but i do see it..

If the Road IS messed up thats when there seams to be only one train sitting at Met, becouse when one train comes in it must leave right away.

Which has been happening a heck of a lot lately Rob...



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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 13 17:56:51 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 12 17:58:48 2011.

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Having 2 in the terminal is a sign of inefficiency.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 13 18:56:45 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 12 17:58:48 2011.

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Amazingly, now that the M goes somewhere, it actually has PASSENGERS!

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 13 20:47:46 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 13 18:56:45 2011.

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Exactly.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Apr 13 21:42:57 2011, in response to J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by SBS79 on Wed Apr 6 18:29:44 2011.

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Another railfan dream!!!!

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 14 08:11:34 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 13 18:56:45 2011.

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As Moe would say, "A prodigious achievement!"

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 14 12:11:17 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 13 07:31:57 2011.

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Between 4:45 and 5:30 in the afternoon, the trains left Broad St headed south SRO. There was an hour or so window when service was actually well used. The problem was that the M ran for over 3 hours in each peak period, and for 2 of the 3, was hardly used. 6 Z trains, leaving Bay Parkway every 10 minutes between approx. 7:10 and 8:10 AM, and leaving Broad St between approx. 4:40 and 5:40 PM is all that's really needed. (If you want to cut them back to 9th Ave, add 10 minutes to the AM departure window).

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 14 13:36:23 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 13 17:56:51 2011.

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No, it's a sign og good schedule making. On a 10 min headway, a train should be able to be on the stand for 18 min allowing 2 min for a train to depart and the next arriving train to enter the open track at the terminal. On shorter headways, the stand time would be less bu a t least 2 min should be allowed to clear each terminal pocket.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Apr 14 15:28:47 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 14 08:11:34 2011.

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Why, SOITENLY!

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 14 16:47:10 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 14 12:11:17 2011.

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How many more train-sets of J/Z would be needed to extend 5 or 6 of them for the peak of the peak ?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 15 07:56:06 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Apr 14 15:28:47 2011.

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I think Curly's response was, "You said it - it's putrid!"

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 15 10:12:22 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 14 12:11:17 2011.

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I don't really see what the problem is doing what you're suggesting. I'd run trains labeled "J" out of Bay Parkway in the morning during the period - 7am to 8:30am headed toward Manhattan and Broadway Junction. At Broadway Junction these trains would go out of service, and berth at the train yard.

In the afternoons out of Broadway Junction - these same trains would be activated and would head toward Bay Parkway timed so that they arrive at Broad Street during the 4:30pm to 6pm time periods. At Bay Parkway these trains would be berthed in the train yard over-night for the next day's rush hour.

The trains set aside for this operation would be labeled "J" simply to cause less confusion on the subway maps and route signs. They would simply be "rush hour specials".

The regular J and Z operations between the Archer Avenue segment, and Broad Street would simply continue as current, with just this rush hour special service.

It's really not that difficult, or does it cause the world as we know it to end in a black hole of nothingness. (smile)

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 15 13:48:14 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 15 10:12:22 2011.

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That sounds pretty much like what I was talking about.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 15 16:43:50 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 15 10:12:22 2011.

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How much more equipment would it require ? For example, the trains out of ENY in the PM rush would not turn back at Broad Street, so other trains would have to be put in from somewhere. I think the Bay Pkwy service would have to be bi-directional to work.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 15 17:51:44 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 15 16:43:50 2011.

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From a previous message: "How much more equipment would it require ? For example, the trains out of ENY in the PM rush would not turn back at Broad Street, so other trains would have to be put in from somewhere. I think the Bay Pkwy service would have to be bi-directional to work."

Each question one at a time.

1) I am not sure how many "J-Special" trains would be needed. I am really not that good with subway train time schedules, so I'll defer to others skilled at that. It could be that some of the "J-Special" trains may have to run "in both directions" simply to be economical with the train sets.

Note that what I'm calling the "J-Specials" are those J-trains that run to/from Bay Parkway. WHILE those trains are running for the 1.5 hours or so of service along the West End line, regular J and Z trains travel as usual to/from Broad Street and Jamaica Center. I'm suggesting to not change the regular operation of normal J and Z trains.

2) Yes the "J-Special" trains do not turn back at Broad Street, in that sense that are like the old M-trains - they are simply passing through the Broad Street station. The Broad Street station is capable of handling terminating trains and through trains - it has done so for decades.

3) The "J-Special" service to/from Bay Parkway may have to turn out to be "bi-directional" in the sense of being economical with the train sets. Years/decades ago there was an old "QB" operation on the Brighton Line where rush hour only QB trains ran toward 57th Street in the am rush hours, and toward Coney Island in the pm rush hours.

The "J-Specials" could be something like the old QB operation - at least on paper and schedule wise. Then M and the QB trains were the Brighton locals operating out of Coney Island, while D trains were the Brighton Express out of Brighton Beach. Then the M-train was the "normal hours" weekdays Brighton local, and the QB was the additional rush hour special service along the Manhattan Broadway express line and the Brighton local line.

As a teenager the QB operation fascinated me, when I would read the subway maps. At least on the subway maps at the time - they seemed to suggest that during the am rush hours there was no Brooklyn-bound QB trains leaving Manhattan. Or in the evening, that some how the 57th Street station was capable of producing the amount of QB trains needed for the pm rush hours.

At the time - this seemed like magic - until I found some very interesting subway time schedules that were produced for the public. I studied those schedules. It turned out that the am QB trains were M-trains re-routed up to 57th Street, and that the pm QB trains were R-trains from Astoria re-routed to Brighton Beach. Or a combination of both, until some time later when QB-labeled trains operated in both directions for the rush hours - by then the mystery was gone. :(

Using the Bay Parkway and Broadway East New York - Eastern Parkway stations as the terminals and yard lay-up places for these "J-Special" trains seems like a do-able situation that does not "clog up the line". Attempting to use Essex Street, Broad Street or another terminal in this kind of operation seems not well advised.

Just my thoughts.
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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by SBS79 on Fri Apr 15 22:27:33 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 15 17:51:44 2011.

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If the J train is extended to Bay Parkway just if, this is how the car fleet assignments I believe will be.

The G train would be transferred to Coney Island Yard and use the R68 cars.

52 R46 cars from Jamaica would be transferred to 207th St Yard to be assigned to the C train.

4 R46 cars from Pitkin Yard would be transferred to 207th St Yard to be assigned to the C train for a total of 56 R46 cars, 7 sets assigned.

56 R32 cars, 7 sets, would be transferred to East New York Yard for the extended J train to Bay Parkway.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 08:53:41 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by SBS79 on Fri Apr 15 22:27:33 2011.

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Does CIY have surplus R68's to take over the G ?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by SBS79 on Sat Apr 16 09:46:08 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 08:53:41 2011.

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I believe they do?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Apr 16 10:15:32 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by SBS79 on Fri Apr 15 22:27:33 2011.

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Why does the G-train or its car consists have to be involved in any "J-Special" service?

Could not the movement toward G-trains operating out of Coney Island occur without any changes in operation on the J-line? Just wondering.

How does the G-train using Coney Island as its train yard improve operations on the J-train?

Just wondering.
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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 16 10:26:57 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 15 10:12:22 2011.

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I'm trying to keep the proposal as cheap as possible. One hour is all that's really needed (more would be nice, but not in these tough fiscal times). I chose the Z label so as to not confuse people into thinking they can take a J to Dekalb Ave. at 11 AM.

Basically, all southbound AM Z trains would run to Bay Parkway (leaving Broad St between 7:45 and 8:40). These 6 trains would lay up at CI and run north from Bay Parkway starting sometime after 4 PM (arriving at Broad at the same time current Z trains are scheduled to depart for JC). Northbound, these 6 Z trains would leave Bay Parkway between 7:10 and 8:10ish, running all the way to Broadway Junction, where they would lay up for the afternoon. In the PM, these Z trains would be put in from here and run down to Bay Parkway. In essence, they would simply do the same thing they do now, only with 6 added trains and crews. I know there's a risk of a service delay on any Z coming from southern Brooklyn clusterfucking skip-stop service to Jamaica, but that's a relatively minor one which can be smoothed over by having J trains make all stops in case that happens. To reduce the chances of service disruptions in southern Brooklyn, I could see these Z trains running light to 9th Ave from Bay Parkway on the express tracks and then going into service there, so that any problem on the D would not mess with the Z.

This would increase the number of trainsets ENY would have to supply for all 4 lines, and with the R42's on their last legs, I am not sure there would be enough 4-car NTT sets to adequately do this, unless the 4-car R179 order is significantly increased. I bet this will be the excuse used to deny any movement towards re-instating Nassau St. line service to southern Brooklyn in the future.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 12:02:54 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Michael549 on Sat Apr 16 10:15:32 2011.

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Because a complex cascade of equipment in required to add cars to the ENY fleet.

Some Jamaica R46's have to go Pitkin to release R32's for ENY, the only remaining equipment that can be added to that fleet.

Alternatively, we can chop some 5 car sets of R160's into 4 car sets for ENY, and donate the orphaned car to an equal number of R160 5 cars sets, resulting in 6 cars sets, which can also be placed on the G to release R46's to Pitkin.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 12:05:52 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 16 10:26:57 2011.

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Or simply make it a new W service (neo TT) run between Bay Pkwy and Chambers Street, and lay up on the various sidings there during the day, and leave the J/Z alone. Ought to be enough room to keep 5 trains there.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 16 12:14:38 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 13 18:56:45 2011.

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Yep, and on the Broadway El people will let a J pass to get on an M.

And now I think the J and M can enter Essex street simultaneously(? I was on an M that entered Essex with a J, although the M was a half train length ahead at first, but they held both in the station so that passengers can cross-platform transfer, then sent the M over the bridge first)

Few observations during rush hour: There were quite a few passengers when I got on on Broadway-Lafayette when heading to Brooklyn. SRO

When heading to Manhattan from Brooklyn, a good amount transfer at West 4th and get off/transfer at 34th st.

The "northbound" J across the platform was SRO when we pulled into Essex.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 16 12:38:45 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 13 09:13:14 2011.

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One day while waiting at Myrtle, a Queens bound M train was held at the station. At first I thought it was for the J. Because a J arrived then left. But when they finally let the M go and cross over, a Manhattan bound M train was coming in at the same time.

Do they Hold trains for them to cross over simultaneously to limit Broadway El delays?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Apr 16 15:38:17 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 16 10:26:57 2011.

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I am getting confused - yes, it happens. I'm gonna parse your recent message, and point out where I'm getting confused. I'm gonna try to put all of your statements in italics, and mine in regular type. I hope this works.

Statement A:
(/i)Basically, all southbound AM Z trains would run to Bay Parkway (leaving Broad St between 7:45 and 8:40). (/i)

I believe that you to mean am rush hour Z-trains out of Jamaica Center would be heading to Bay Parkway. If that is the case would not those same 6 Z-trains be headed in the wrong direction for the West End line? I thought that the West End line needs am rush hour north-bound service toward Manhattan, since that is where the heavy traffic is bound.

Statement B:

(/i)These 6 trains would lay up at CI and run north from Bay Parkway starting sometime after 4 PM (arriving at Broad at the same time current Z trains are scheduled to depart for JC). (/i)

If those same 6 Z-trains started their trip to Jamaica Center - yes, that would help folks bound for Jamaica, Queens. Those same 6 Z-trains would not be helping those folks headed south-bound along the West End line - it is opposite directions.

Statement C:

(/i)Northbound, these 6 Z trains would leave Bay Parkway between 7:10 and 8:10ish, running all the way to Broadway Junction, where they would lay up for the afternoon. (/i)

If that is the case, it seems similar to something that I proposed a few messages up in the stream. Why just have those trains stored at Coney Island in the mornings - to start the north-bound trek? Then in the afternoon, have those same trains leave Broadway Junction toward Bay Parkway on the south-bound trek, where at Bay Parkway they again get stored again for the next morning rush hour?

Maybe the those trains are making one trip each, where for example a train, say the Z-train 7:10am out of Bay Parkway makes all local stops along West End, 4th Avenue, Nassau Street, Brooklyn-Broadway to Eastern Parkway, and then goes out of service. The train is stored at the train yard, and the crew leaves the train for another assignment. The 7:20am Z-tran out of Bay Parkway does the same exact thing, and so on for each of the other 6 Z-trains. In the afternoon, each train is brought back into service with a crew, and that train makes one all local trip to Bay Parkway, where the train again goes out of service, and the crew is given another assignment. Thus each "special Z-train" only makes one trip in one direction, north-bound in the morning, and south-bounding the evening. Easy, simple, no fuss, no muss.

Statement D:

(/i)In the PM, these Z trains would be put in from here and run down to Bay Parkway. (/i)

If Statement C is the basic essence of the service, then Statements A and B are simply not needed - unless I'm missing something. That can happen, please help me to understand.

Statement E:

(/i)In essence, they would simply do the same thing they do now, only with 6 added trains and crews. (/i)

I'm lost, I don't understand.

Statement F:

(/i)I know there's a risk of a service delay on any Z coming from southern Brooklyn clusterfucking skip-stop service to Jamaica, but that's a relatively minor one which can be smoothed over by having J trains make all stops in case that happens. (/i)

Since the Bay Parkway trains are headed in the opposite directions for service, compared to the Jamaica Center bound J and C trains - how does a problem with say 4th Avenue cause a problem for J or Z trains headed in the opposite direction that originate at Broad Street? If there is a problem with 4th Avenue, those Z-trains headed to Broadway Junction and the train yard simply get there late, they will get laided up for the afternoon rush hour. The Z-trains headed to Bay Parkway in the evening rush hour, if there is a problem along 4th Avenue simply get to Bay Parkway late, they still go out of service and to the train yard from there. How does that affect Jamaica Queens bound evening rush hour trains?

Statement G:

(/i)To reduce the chances of service disruptions in southern Brooklyn, I could see these Z trains running light to 9th Ave from Bay Parkway on the express tracks and then going into service there, so that any problem on the D would not mess with the Z. (/i)

Given what I've suggested before, I'd don't see how this is needed? Help me out here. As I said before, I dont know much about train sets or car series. Just guessing here, but why not use the R42"s for such a simple one-trip service since they are on their last legs anyway? That would make them different on sight, compared to the regular J and Z trains that travel to/from Jamaica Center and Broad Street - would it not? I don't know, just a guess.

Mike



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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Apr 16 15:39:22 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by Michael549 on Sat Apr 16 15:38:17 2011.

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Okay, the italics did not work! What did I do wrong?
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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 16 17:08:24 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by SBS79 on Sat Apr 16 09:46:08 2011.

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I don't think so Chipper10.

J to Bay Pky or not, as of the last Sunday of June, the G starts getting R68's or R68A's as CIYD takes responsibility for the line. 3 AM G jobs report to CIYD and 3 PM jobs end there. The R46's on the G go back to the JYD pool for use on the R and F. Some R160's from JYD would have to be reassigned to CIYD routes since 52 (plus a spare factor) of their R68/68A's would be required for the G.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 17:19:26 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 16 17:08:24 2011.

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Then they stuck compressors in some of the the G line's "B" cars for nothing ?

Probably King Hwy F's get R46's. If they do 2 round trips a day why waste a good R160 train on that ?



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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 16 18:50:18 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 17:19:26 2011.

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One of the first things that will be done is replacing the R=160 trains on the R with some of the R-46s from the G. After that, there probably will have to be some movement of R-160s from the F to CIY to cover the reassigned R-68s and R-46s assigned to the F to replace the reassigned R-160s.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 16 18:58:42 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 16 12:38:45 2011.

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Was there a S/B J coming into Bway/Myrt while the M was being held? That could account for the M being held in the station.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 16 19:13:46 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Apr 16 12:38:45 2011.

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The Manhattan bound M doesn't have to cross anything, although it depends on what time of day if it has to merge. If it's before noon, the M's can just go in on the local track at Myrtle, and the J comes in on the express track.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 20:07:34 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by randyo on Sat Apr 16 18:50:18 2011.

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Why not just reassign those R46's to CIY ?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 20:23:52 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by randyo on Sat Apr 16 18:50:18 2011.

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Wait... has it even been confirmed that the J is going to Bay Parkway?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 20:30:23 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 20:23:52 2011.

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Nope, but stranger things have come to reality. Who'd have thought 4 Brooklyn X buses would come back to life a coupe of months ago.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 16 20:37:35 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 20:23:52 2011.

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Wow. Are you serious? And you criticize me??

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 20:45:49 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 20:30:23 2011.

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True. Just all this speculation of car assignments made me think it was more than a rumor. I know it isn't gonna happen in the June pick as it would have been confirmed already like the G going to CIYD, but maybe the next pick.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 20:54:02 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 20:45:49 2011.

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If so, some R32's get another stay of execution since they will have scrapped the R44's and will be short cars, even if the 290 R179's "replace" the 1960's SMEE's. Even at 50 years of age, 5 round-trips a week between Coney island Yard and Chambers Street is all they would have to do, assuming they run it like the TT and call it W.

It also doesn't seem that Prince Andrew is terribly ready to fund R179's or for that matter M-9's.

I also think 64 R-46's ought to go to Staten Island. They would mean 80 R32's retained right there. Though, that means no more 2 or 5 car trains. But when I took it 2 weeks ago, every R44 I encountered had flat wheels, lousy heat, and were filthy inside and out. Not what I expected for cars that have had a low-mileage life in the country.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 21:35:45 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 20:54:02 2011.

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I'd be supportive of any means to keep the R32s. IDK I think if Clifton took better care of their R44s they will not need newer cars, but that may depend on the R179s. We shall see what happens.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sat Apr 16 21:46:31 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 20:30:23 2011.

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Or the M/V Combo.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by NJT Morris Rider on Sat Apr 16 21:49:34 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 16 20:37:35 2011.

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You get what you gives others on here.

Check your email

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 16 22:48:42 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 16 20:07:34 2011.

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Because you would need an inventory of spare parts.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 16 22:51:28 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 20:23:52 2011.

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Not for the pick starting the last Sunday in June.

Nobody has answered a question I posed a few months ago: where are they supposed to get the cars from to run the J (or Z) to Bay Pky, even if it's very limited service. NYCT can barely make full servcie as it is. The summer makes car availability even tighter.

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 16 23:41:28 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by arnine on Sat Apr 16 21:35:45 2011.

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I think if Clifton took better care of their R44s they will not need newer cars

How so? The mainland cars needed to be replaced. So what makes you think the SIRT cars wouldn't need to be replaced?

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Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 16 23:41:37 2011, in response to Re: J train extended to Bay Parkway? The car assignments., posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 16 20:37:35 2011.

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