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Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 12:41:48 2011

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Driving northbound on the Meadowbrook this morning, I spotted a very rusty, very graffitied steel railroad bridge overpass about 25-50 feet off the right side of the roadway. This was located near the huge garbage recycling plant near Roosevelt Field. The overpass is at an approximately 45 degree angle to the Meadowbrook roadway.

My question: which LIRR line used this overpass? At first I thought it was part of the right of way that once connected West Hempstead to Mineola but that doesn't seem right. Was it part of the spur that once went to the area where Mitchel Field is today? Or something in that area?

Any info is appreciated.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 12:49:05 2011, in response to Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 12:41:48 2011.

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Most likely that's a remnant of the Central Branch. The spur to Clinton Ave, from Garden City is a remnant of the line, once the line ran all the way to the junction of the Ronkonkoma Branch in Farmingdale and then on to Babylon. The Hempstead Branch uses this RR's ROW from CLP to Bellrose.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by TonyG on Fri Mar 4 13:06:41 2011, in response to Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 12:41:48 2011.

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From Google Maps it looks like it was a spur off of the Central branch that ends here:

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Here's a map of the branch (as I can trace it on Google Maps):

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 13:18:11 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by TonyG on Fri Mar 4 13:06:41 2011.

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That might be a remnant of the Mitchell Field shuttle.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 13:35:15 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 13:18:11 2011.

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It is the Mitchell Field shuttle:

http://arrts-arrchives.com/shuttle1.html

http://arrts-arrchives.com/shuttle2.html



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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 13:45:31 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 13:35:15 2011.

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You nailed it! Go to Central Page 5, WW II to Present, and scroll down to the last two photos. That is the bridge overpass that I saw today. I didn't see the concrete supports but I didn't get a very good look at it (as I was going about 55 mph at the time) and the bridge overpass is now in a wooded area. The supports may be there in poor condition or maybe they were carted away, who knows.

Good job.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 14:01:31 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 13:45:31 2011.

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The line is definately dead, a lot of it north of that overpass has been paved over. I am surprised that bridge still stands.

This line would also be a nice way to bring rail service to the Nassau Coliseum.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 14:49:15 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 12:49:05 2011.

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it is positively the bridge from the central branch.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Mar 4 14:51:55 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 14:01:31 2011.

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I believe that there are two different things being discussed here.

One is the bridge OVER the Meadowbrook Pkwy that leads to a spur branch that formerly ended around the location of the old Roosevelt Raceway.

The second is the bridge NEAR the Meadowbrook Parkway that Mitch45 saw that was part of the Central branch.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 14:55:50 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 14:01:31 2011.

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It is not the Mitchel Field Shuttle but, the formerly electrified track to Roosevelt Raceway; it ended at the RR terminal at Zeckendorf Boulevard. The terminal and stairs are still there although, of course, not in good condition, and can be seen from Zeckendorf. It was connected to it (the Central Branch) until about 15 years ago, when the connection was severed by the LIRR. This track ran from a connection with the Central Branch at Commercial Avenue and Quentin Roosevelt Boulevard to the Raceway. It was severed to allow the LIRR to build a signal storage facility in their former freight and track yard at Commercial and QRB. Track is still in place from QRB and Stewart Avenue north and over that bridge. Reconnected to the Central Branch, it would make a great place for an operating trolley museum.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 14:56:53 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 14:49:15 2011.

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Sorry, Steve, it's not! It's the old Roosevelt Raceway track.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:16:16 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 14:55:50 2011.

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Now I am completely confused.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 15:20:59 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:16:16 2011.

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Why? It's so easy. The rusted bridge over the Meadowbook Parkway that you saw just north of Stewart Avenue is the old Roosevelt Raceway spur track, formerly electrified.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 15:23:51 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:16:16 2011.

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I,ll un-confuse you.the trestle is to the right of the meadowbrook.not crossing over it,right? its out in the weeds.if this is so,its the trestle from the former central branch.did I un-confuse you?

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 15:26:49 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Mar 4 14:51:55 2011.

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I thought he was referring to the bridge OVER the parkway right near the cloverleaf w/Zeckendorf.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 15:31:45 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:16:16 2011.

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It's not that hard. What you saw was the spur to Roosevelt Field, the "Mitchell Field shuttle" continued along the Central RR mainline to where it ends today, at Endo Blvd. That area was vast and has been completely built over, including the Coliseum, Hofstra and Nassau Community College, as well as other institutions. Art Huenke's site does not do a good job of explaining what is what, even if his content is awesome.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 15:35:14 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 14:56:53 2011.

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Yes, satellite photos show this is the only visible railroad element from the Meadowbrook.


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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Mar 4 15:38:46 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 15:26:49 2011.

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I did too. After reading, however, I learned that they're two mutually exclusive bridges. The one OVER the parkway is the former spur to Roosevelt Raceway. The one NEAR the parkway is the former Central Branch.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 15:42:46 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Mar 4 15:38:46 2011.

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I don't see any bridges on the Central Branch in the area. Looks entirely on the surface.

Two dimensional satellite photos can be deceptive.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:46:40 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 15:20:59 2011.

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But the bridge I saw was not OVER the Meadowbrook, it was an overpass off to the side of the highway.

Take a look at Arrt's Archives. Go to the section about the Central RR lines, Page 5, WW II to Present, and scroll down to the last two photos. That is the bridge overpass that I saw today. I didn't see the concrete supports but I didn't get a very good look at it (as I was going about 55 mph at the time) and the bridge overpass is now in a wooded area. The supports may be there in poor condition or maybe they were carted away, who knows.

The overpass was NOT over the highway.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:48:26 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 15:23:51 2011.

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Yes, that is what I understood before I became confused. ChrisR16 had pointed me to pictures of the trestle on Arrt's Archives. Go to Central Page 5, WW II to Present, and scroll down to the last two photos. That is the bridge overpass that I saw today. I didn't see the concrete supports but I didn't get a very good look at it (as I was going about 55 mph at the time) and the bridge overpass is now in a wooded area. The supports may be there in poor condition or maybe they were carted away, who knows.



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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:49:18 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 15:31:45 2011.

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His photos sealed the deal, though.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 15:57:17 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 15:42:46 2011.

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seek& ye shall find.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 15:59:17 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:48:26 2011.

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the bridge is on landfill.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 16:05:13 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 15:57:17 2011.

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I think it would be better for people who know the area to explain.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 16:09:32 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:49:18 2011.

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OK, now I see what you mean. I was looking at the wrong area. What you saw was indeed a remnant of the Central Branch, east of the end-of-track segment near Endo Blvd.

I was fixated on the trestle which crossed over the parkway near Zeckendorf Blvd, which is indeed the spur to Roosevelt Field.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 16:13:42 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 16:05:13 2011.

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uh,I know the area .i,ve been on both bridges about 2 months ago.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 4 16:30:42 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 16:13:42 2011.

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Exactly. I was referring to me. I haven't been to that area since 1997.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Mar 5 08:12:57 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Mar 4 14:51:55 2011.

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You are correct. Here's a map of the area. The red line is the Central Branch. The red X is the old trestle just past the Meadowbrook. The green line is the line to Roosevelt Raceway. The green X is the trestle that still spans the Meadowbrook.



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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Mar 5 12:11:09 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 14:55:50 2011.

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Is the terminal visible on Google maps? I tried looking at the place where the last trace of the ROW ends at Zeckendorf (some distance beyond Bob Andersen's traced route), but nothing is really there except a wide building, hidden behind trees and bushes. At the point where the route ends, there is even less.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 6 06:34:43 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 15:59:17 2011.

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But there was once a road underneath, per Arrt's. My question is, why didn't they remove the bridge once the road underneath was filled in?

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 6 08:24:30 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 14:49:15 2011.

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No, it was a freight spur off the Central Branch.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 6 08:26:08 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Fri Mar 4 15:38:46 2011.

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Oh Okay, I was thinking of the one near Zackendorf.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 6 08:31:12 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 4 15:46:40 2011.

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Look at Bob Andersen's map, he posted, that will ease the confusion.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 6 09:29:30 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 14:49:15 2011.

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wrong.after I have my breakfeast i,ll explain.don`t go away.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 6 10:20:20 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Mar 4 14:56:53 2011.

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Joe, I think he's talking about the old trestle to the right of the N/B Meadowbrook south of Stewart Avenue which was part of the Central Branch.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:30:34 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 6 10:20:20 2011.

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That's probably correct. It ends just short of the parkway, although to be honest I haven't seen it in a long time.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 6 10:34:01 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:30:34 2011.

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The great& powerfull tunnelrat sez it ain`t probable,IT IS.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 6 10:34:33 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:30:34 2011.

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It's still there. I saw it the other day. You can only see it in the late fall and winter as the vegetation & leaves block it in the summer.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:37:48 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 6 10:34:33 2011.

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To be perfectly honest, I've never seen it up close, just from a distance while driving on the Meadowbrook Parkway. I've walked almost to the end of the Central Branch east of Endo Boulevard, but something was blocking the rest of the right-of-way, so I couldn't complete my "investigation." Is the bridge you're all talking about a complete bridge / overpass, or just an abutment or piers?

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 6 10:46:24 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:37:48 2011.

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its a complete single track bridge on a slight embankment.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:56:21 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 6 10:46:24 2011.

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Thank you. What does it go over?

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 6 11:00:41 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:37:48 2011.

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Here's some pictures from the artts archives site:

Of course the first picture is old as it still has the familiar wooden parkway lights but the trestle is still there.

Mitch, is this the trestle you saw?

From this page of artts archives.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 6 11:07:47 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 10:56:21 2011.

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it used to cross the meadowbrook at grade,they had to flag the p`way.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 6 15:04:34 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Mar 5 08:12:57 2011.

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The red x is on the wrong side of the highway - I saw it from the northbound lanes, not the southbound lanes, as your x suggests.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Mar 6 15:17:46 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 6 15:04:34 2011.

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The green line should have been extended further to Zeckendorf Boulevard, which was where the Roosevelt Raceway terminal was (and still is, complete with a staircase) located.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 6 17:13:04 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 6 15:04:34 2011.

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as usual,i,m right once again& I get no credit,what`s a boy to do?

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 6 18:31:24 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 6 11:00:41 2011.

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That's it. I saw it from the angle of photo #3, which I believe is the angle you get if you're passing it from the roadway on the Meadowbrook northbound.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 6 18:41:39 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 6 15:04:34 2011.

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The red X is correct. I am quite familiar with that relic and it is east of the northbound lanes, as the X indicates.

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Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 6 18:45:12 2011, in response to Re: Q About the Meadowbrook Parkway and the LIRR, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 6 06:34:43 2011.

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There really was no absolute need to remove the bridge if underneath it was filled in; even without maintenance, where could it go? It is a bit strange though. Probably everyone wonders why it wasn't removed.

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