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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 24 17:22:39 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 14:54:58 2011.

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No one is saying that there is absolutely something there - obviously no one can say that because no one's been there. The pro-76ers are simply saying that there is circumstantial evidence to believe that there is something there. Its the anti-76ers who say that there's nothing there until they see pictures.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jan 24 17:23:21 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 15:52:06 2011.

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Like Sagan said - absence of proof does not equal proof of absence.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 24 17:46:16 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 16:52:37 2011.

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The signals are explained.
They are part of the Euclid interlocking which was FULLY constructed. ALL of the signals are part of the Euclid plant, it was contracted, and fulfilled. A Signal facing the wall protects the plant from trains coming from that direction. They were PLANNING to build more and the signals were a part of the contract that WAS completed.

As for if any thing is down the line, the LION says not. LION figures the tunnel went further than that wall, how far is unknown. LION assumes it did not go back all that far, that it was back filled and a wall erected. End of story.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 17:57:49 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 17:19:05 2011.

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Yes but the vault was still there. May not have had something much but was there. Still this type of wall gives credence to something being there and the signals too, but we do not really know one way or another. But, cannot say 100% one way or another.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 17:58:08 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 24 17:46:16 2011.

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That's what I think, interlocking installed as meant, but no tracks or approach signals.

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Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 18:00:44 2011, in response to Re: Bob Diamond's tunnel, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Jan 24 07:32:56 2011.

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And to think ... his NEXT highest-rated adventure was ALSO an embarrassment - it was when a guest broke a chair on his head and broke his nose. Ah, FOX News ... you've got you a winner there! 76th Street, here you come! :)

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 18:02:07 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 17:58:08 2011.

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Ok but the style of wall construction still gives enough doubt as to there being nothing but it doesn't mean there is something either. Either way no one can say 100% one way or another. Either side can be right.

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Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 18:03:23 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Mon Jan 24 14:21:20 2011.

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Very OT, but immediately north of where Conduit/Sunrise crosses the city line, the city line cuts through a number of streets mid-block. These are (all too predictably) named in Nassau and numbered in Queens. The absolutely absurd case seems to be Beech Street, which Queens insists on calling 134 Rd, despite it looking from Google Maps as if no buildings at all front onto the Queens portion.

Anyway, I found this vaguely amusing...

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Re: Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 18:05:46 2011, in response to Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 18:03:23 2011.

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At one time, Nassau was part of Queens County, much like the Bronx was part of Westchester and Rockland was once part of Orange County.

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Re: Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 18:09:51 2011, in response to Re: Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 18:05:46 2011.

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Yes, and I imagine at one time those streets were named in their entirety. I just find it amazingly petty that Queens decided to confuse people looking for those streets by giving numbers to sections that are barely longer than the street sign.

Of course, what I imagine this is about is that Hook Creek (the watercourse) lay a little to the east of Hook Creek Boulevard at this point, and no-one has ever rationalized the boundary for this section (although they clearly did south of Conduit/Sunrise).

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Re: Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 18:16:24 2011, in response to Re: Interesting geo-oddity Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 18:09:51 2011.

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Most Queens numbered streets, if they existed before 1915, had names. The Liberty Ave elevated stations, until recently referred to their old street names (Hudson St, Boyd Ave, Oxford Ave and Greenwood Ave) for 80th, 88th, 104th and 111th. Strangely enough, the Jamaica Ave el only used numbers from day #1 and they were built only 3 years later.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 18:40:08 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 13:13:59 2011.

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Okay, here's a possible line of enquiry: what is in the basement of Public School 214? It looks as if it was built at exactly the same time that an IND yard lead was allegedly built right under it. Are there any plans for that building?

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 18:40:19 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 13:45:38 2011.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 18:50:58 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 12:29:49 2011.

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So where did the Old South Road originally go west of 76th? Presumably it's aiming at Fulton Street or Jamaica Avenue.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 18:55:37 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 18:50:58 2011.

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Kevin From Midwood never lets us down

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 19:30:46 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 18:55:37 2011.

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Yes, that's a nice page. He documents the section from 75th (Ruby) through 150th Streets, but unless I'm being spectacularly dumb, there's nothing there about west of 75th or east of 150th. Presumably it must have gone *somewhere*.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 19:44:58 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 19:30:46 2011.

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I should have remembered about this map. The east bit is quite simple: it dog-legged north at 130th Pl, became 135th Av, and it ended on 150th St, because there was a creek in the way; the way east was on Rockaway Blvd. The west bit is quite curious: it had already been connected to Pitkin (for the first time) by 1888, but the original line clearly bent to the south, away from Fulton: it's those diagonal lot boundaries south of Belmont in the blocks either side of Euclid. So it actually is looking as if it originated in Canarsie, although an older map would be needed to verify this.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 19:57:42 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 19:30:46 2011.

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The road ended at the border. Kings and Queens county have been separate counties since pre-revolutionary times. Only after Consilidation was the South Road aligned to meet Pitkin Ave.

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Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 19:58:54 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by jabrams on Mon Jan 24 16:55:35 2011.

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Crocodile Dundee was filmed at Lower 9th Ave, digused as Times Square if I am not mistaken. The station is too far messed up at this point to be used anymore for movies.
Fulton and Broad would be ideal, as they are in use stations but not used every weekend. Bowery and Canal may have been good a few years ago, but I am sure they are deteriorating from disuse and neglect at this point. They were bad even before they closed.

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Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 19:59:45 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Mon Jan 24 17:02:29 2011.

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Yes, I said it was used as Times Square, but I think you are right, it wss supposed to be 59th. The station still looked good at that point.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 24 20:01:04 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 15:29:52 2011.

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My mind is open to PROFF.

No it's not. There's proff on the internet that you scored very poorly on the civil service exam for conductors yet you continue to publicly maintain the same lie that you posted before you knew that the proff was publicly available.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:06:07 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Randyo on Mon Jan 24 16:05:22 2011.

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I have been in Euclid, but unfortunately never of those local stations.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:07:11 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 19:57:42 2011.

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The road ended at the border.

Actually, it continued through New Lots to Flatbush. So that explains why it was called the Old South Road: it wasn't the original main route from Brooklyn/Williamsburg(h) to southern Long Island; it was the original main route east from the southern part of Kings County.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:08:24 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by William A. Padron on Mon Jan 24 16:07:18 2011.

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Ahhh, so this is just as I assumed, they are like most IND stations. This would mean that 76th St would also in all likeliness have a mezzanine. So again, that's TWO levels. That is an AWFUL lot of "abandoned" tunnel/station to just be sitting there with no maintenance or access. The more I hear about this, the more I believe there's nothing there. I can't imagine a two level structure underground would be left abandoned and uninspected.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:11:15 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Teddmann on Mon Jan 24 15:52:06 2011.

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I agree with all that. "IF" something like this could happen, this is where it could happen, as again, the whole line was built from Broadway-East New York to Euclid (and possibly 76th St) before we got tangled in the war, and then construction stopped. The full station at Bway-East New York was built prior to the war, and the shells for the three local stations and Euclid were also build prior to the war. THAT is where the loophole exists for the potential that 76th St was also started.



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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:12:47 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 24 16:01:17 2011.

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Confuse us all now with the IRT running there!

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:14:37 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 17:19:05 2011.

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There is no doubt there is "something" behind the wall. All evidence leads to the fact that some amount of tunnel was built behind that wall. Other accounts say that until the 60's or something the tracks ended in piles of dirt just beyond where the wall is now. It's hard to say who's account is correct.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:16:26 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 18:02:07 2011.

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Accounts say that the tunnel went a little further and ended in piles of dirt. Those piles of dirt may be all what's behind that wall, just behind it.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:19:37 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jan 24 17:46:16 2011.

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That's my take on it too. I find it extremely hard to believe that a station with a typical IND mezzanine (which most of them have, as well as the other local stations on the line) would just be left there uninspected. Even the Shell stations like South 4th St, Utica, etc, where they were just shells, but still there, are inspected and minimally maintained. I find it hard to believe a two level station (mezzanine level and track level) structure could be there just uninspected, that would be a danger for collapse.
So Unfortunately, I think it's all an urban legend, although a fun one to discuss and imagine there.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:21:47 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:08:24 2011.

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And the Brooklyn/Queens boundary isn't arbitrary at that point: it's Old Mill Creek. The Old South Road bent that far north because it was the closest point to Jamaica Bay that wasn't a meadow. If it existed and they weren't maintaining it, it would probably have a significant amount of water in it.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 20:23:14 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 24 18:55:37 2011.

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Interesting that you've brought that up! Lookie here in his photo. Note that the sidewalk doesn't match the rest of the surrounding area of sidewalk in shape or color. THIS is where they buried the stairwell that lead down to the station! :)



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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 20:27:54 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:16:26 2011.

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Maybe so, but still nice to know for sure. But, why would they wall off dirt?

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 20:30:07 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:19:37 2011.

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Makes sense what you are saying, but be nice to know for sure.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:31:45 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:14:37 2011.

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The only thing that makes me think that there might be something other than piles of dirt there is Public School 214 being on top of where the yard leads should join Pitkin. Seeing as it was built by the city at the same time the city was building the IND, I suspect that it might have an interesting basement. And then we're only about the length of an interlocking from the supposed western end of 76th Street station.

This would at least answer a few awkward questions:
1) Where's the maintenance entrance? (A: In P.S. 214.)
2) Why were the cinderblock walls put up? (A: Because the ownership of the structure was transferred to the school board.)
3) Why do transit not maintain the structure? (A: Because the school board do.)

But this is very much putting two and two together and making seventy-six.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 24 20:33:35 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:31:45 2011.

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Excellent work. As always.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 20:34:04 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:31:45 2011.

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You DO realise that if this mystery is ever solved, this board will close? :)

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:38:19 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 24 20:33:35 2011.

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Thanks. The question now is whether anyone cares about this enough to have the "I know this sounds crazy, but do you have abandoned subway tunnels in your basement?" conversation with the janitor of that school.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 24 20:39:46 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:38:19 2011.

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You do! Now get over here and do it! I'll be right behind you...

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:44:52 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 20:34:04 2011.

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Heh. I don't think there's any risk of that.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:51:45 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:31:45 2011.

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Interesting. Also note, the school was built in 1971, which sort of coincides when "The Wall" went up.
Things that make you say "Hmmmm".

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 21:25:18 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:44:52 2011.

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Not as long as somebody body-blocks Geraldo if he ever shows up in eastern Queens and SONY keeps shipping cameras. :)

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jan 24 21:33:36 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 20:27:54 2011.

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My opinion, no proof - just conjecture. They built the cinder block wall about halfway, then threw dirt over it so if anyone tried to dig under the wall or partway up it, dirt would be revealed and fall out, discouraging those who wished to explore from doing so. It would be quite difficult, if not impossible, to bring the dirt up to the top of the cinder block wall unless the wall had been installed first and the dirt put in from in back of the wall. This, of course, would require another entrance somewhere to bring the dirt in. It might be possible to drill holes at the top of the wall and look through there with whatever devices are available. Maybe.....

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 21:43:20 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 20:51:45 2011.

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Also note, the school was built in 1971

I had thought the building dated from the late 30s. It is on the 1951 aerial photo.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 21:44:49 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 24 20:39:46 2011.

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Wow. Some people will do anything to get that perfect ass shot.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Nyctransitman on Mon Jan 24 22:04:16 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 20:38:19 2011.

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Give me a few days to dig up some information from some area residents that live close to PS214.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Jan 24 22:21:04 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 21:43:20 2011.

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PS 214 was built in 1925 according to the BoE 2009-10 Building Assessment Survey.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 22:25:30 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jan 24 21:43:20 2011.

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When you click on the building it says 1971, but that doesn't mean those are correct.

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 22:25:42 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Jan 24 21:33:36 2011.

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Ok makes sense. :) Thanks :)

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 24 22:30:34 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 24 22:25:30 2011.

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"Fact" and "internet" are often mutually exclusive ... which is why I get such a kick out of people who refer to blogs and wikipedia. :)

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Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street)

Posted by zac on Mon Jan 24 22:31:43 2011, in response to Re: 76th St area - Satellite (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Mon Jan 24 20:27:54 2011.

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Maybe they wanted to protect the usable part of the tunnel from the dirt that kept falling in so they built a wall to keep it out? Or maybe it was just creepy and the wall made it less so. In any case, they were probably just putting a finish on a tunnel that just came to an end without any protection.

My guess is there is another 5-10 feet of tunnel at most.

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