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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 13:45:54 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 13:44:32 2010. There is no officer's side in this - they issued a ticket for illegal photography when photography is clearly legal. How do you defend that? EXACTLY! That's what I told him too!!!!!!!! Take Pride,
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 14:43:14 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:46:02 2010. I now think the cops know the law and really don't care.I think they have been given instructions from their superiors to harass photographers in spite of the law. Either way it is inexcusable. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 14:51:52 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 11:57:24 2010. A lot of street photographers carry business cards that threaten to sue under TITLE 42 CHAPTER 21 SUBCHAPTER I § 1983 if their photography is interfered with in any way.Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 16 14:57:00 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Dec 16 14:57:37 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Dec 16 10:58:08 2010. I'm surprised that they didn't tell their story sooner......They kept quiet until after their court appearance. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 16 14:58:29 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 16 14:57:00 2010. Meant to hit the preview button on that one. I doubt that the many white readers of the board can relate to that song. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 16 16:26:35 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:38:45 2010. Not just the NYPD but the individual officers as well. Maybe when the individual officers see their pay garnisheed from their paychecks in the amount allowed by statute they won't be so quick to make up their own laws. Also, keep in mind that since the trials of the Nazi war criminals, "following orders" when the individual either could or should know what is legally and morally right is not a viable defense for inappropriate actions. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Thu Dec 16 16:32:11 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:41:45 2010. Thanks, No - a $5 million hole in the NYPD budget just gets made up by either more taxes or less money going to other city departments. The judgments need to be against the individual officers. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Dec 16 16:34:22 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 14:43:14 2010. See my post on "following orders." |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 16 16:56:03 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 16 14:57:00 2010. one of my favorite songs |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 16 17:22:15 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. Two questions:1. Why doesn't the NYPD understand the rules regarding photography? 2. Why not show your ID when the cop asks for it? |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Dec 16 17:31:47 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. I hope this costs the taxpayers a TON of money. Everyone with a brain knows that 9-11 was an inside job committed by the GOP in cooperation with their Al Qaeda partners to destroy the post Watergate bans on information sharing. We need to turn the clock back to 9-10 but with a ban on the Republican Party, Reagan Worship and supply side ideology. The GOP did it, Destroy them and the problem goes away. Kudos to the brave heroes of the ACLU, Hopefully they can get a couple pigs fired. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Dec 16 17:34:57 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Alex L. on Thu Dec 16 16:32:11 2010. Too bad, pay up. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Dec 16 17:36:59 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Dave on Thu Dec 16 10:54:57 2010. When will the public stop calling cops heroes? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 17:37:00 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 16 17:22:15 2010. 1. Obviously they don't want to understand them2. In NY you do not have to show ID - you only have to provide identifying information § 140.50 Temporary questioning of persons in public places; search for weapons. 1. In addition to the authority provided by this article for making an arrest without a warrant, a police officer may stop a person in a public place located within the geographical area of such officer's employment when he reasonably suspects that such person is committing, has committed or is about to commit either (a) a felony or (b) a misdemeanor defined in the penal law, and may demand of him his name, address and an explanation of his conduct. Since photography is not a crime why do the cops need to ask for ID? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 16 17:42:47 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 17:37:00 2010. I understand that you are not required to show ID, but I would still do so if a cop asked for mine. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 17:44:37 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 16 17:42:47 2010. Also in this case it really did not matter - the cops were insisting that photography was illegal. Showing ID would not have changed that - a once a year photo opportunity to take pictures of the museum train was ruined |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Dec 16 17:44:59 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 16 17:42:47 2010. because you are a sheep who thinks cops are heroes. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Dec 16 17:47:12 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 17:44:37 2010. I hope R&R is suing as a business and as part of the press. Maybe if the cops lost their body armor funding, they'd notice. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 16 17:49:32 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 17:44:37 2010. I still would show my ID if I knew I was right and the cops were wrong. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Dec 16 17:54:51 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:41:45 2010. Take the money out of the body armor account, THAT would make them notice. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 16 18:16:30 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:33:36 2010. SMDH. He was making a comparison. He's not saying the TWU acted like these cops. He's comparing the punishment the TWU received, and their resulting financial hardship, with what he thinks the NYPD deserves.I knew he ws taking his "shot" at the TWU even by using them as an "example".. Thats what i meant... This is like your "appeal to majority" incident. Both times you totally didn't understand what was being said. Please try to listen to reason instead of lashing out and arguing. Yep im sure sorta like your antics with your "word games" to get Paul and Trevor to engage in your "game" today? I see those posts have been delated after i called you out on it... Please pay attention next time... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 16 18:18:36 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:33:36 2010. Waits for the "spin" response....You stink at that anyway... |
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Posted by johnl on Thu Dec 16 18:40:55 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:38:45 2010. No. It’s where unlawful detention (by anyone) needs to be a crime and citizens are empowered to make arrests. “Have you finished officer? Then I am arresting you for…please call your superior” |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Dec 16 19:09:14 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Dec 16 17:34:57 2010. When will these clueless idiot cops ever learn ? just because they have a uniform on and are carrying a gun they think they can push people around, this should be broad casted throughout the entire city and state by the news media and get the word out photography is legal on the transit systems, maybe have T-EE shirts with that slogan on both sides so the word gets out. Karl M |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Dec 16 20:26:30 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 16 17:42:47 2010. Except, he didn't have ID (or at least claimed not to).Not that unusual, after my non-driver ID expired I went a few years without a valid ID until I got carded at a bar... |
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Posted by numbersix on Thu Dec 16 20:35:52 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:03:49 2010. How about Heidi Jones? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Dec 16 21:35:14 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:40:45 2010. I watch at least some part (15-30 minutes) of the local news nearly every day. It's one of the few things that I like on TV. It's not like you're necessarily missing anything by not watching it, but there are probably millions of people in the NYC area that watch. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 23:15:07 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 16 18:16:30 2010. I knew he ws taking his "shot" at the TWU even by using them as an "example".. No, you questioned the relevancy. That has nothing to do with what you are now saying you actually meant. Otherwise you would not have questioned the relevancy. You would have understood the relevancy and would have instead commented on the fact that of all the relevant examples to use, he chose to use the TWU. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 17 02:07:32 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:53:32 2010. there is no "two sides to the story" here.the officers in question know the rules just as well as we do.. the fact that they CITED THE RULES THAT SUPPORT PICTURE TAKING clearly makes them either IDIOTS or QUOTA CATCHERS... Neither is an excuse for their behavior...the fact that it was thrown out of that "GUILTY UNTILL PROVEN INNOCENT KANGAROO COURT" proves it.. let THEM pay the suit..not the tax payers. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 17 05:57:29 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 23:15:07 2010. No, you questioned the relevancy. That has nothing to do with what you are now saying you actually meant. Otherwise you would not have questioned the relevancy. You would have understood the relevancy and would have instead commented on the fact that of all the relevant examples to use, he chose to use the TWUSo my wording was off awesome... Even though im sure you knew what i meant but thats Ok... I see you didnt touch the other part of the post eh? That had no "revelance" to the topic at hand, but thats ok your game is known.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 17 10:02:24 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 17 05:57:29 2010. No, as I explained, your wording was not off, unless you have no idea what simple words mean. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 10:05:50 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. Carlos Miller's "Photography Is Not a Crime" has picked up the story.Click here for his review. He mentions SUBCHAT :) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Dec 17 10:09:04 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:32:01 2010. I carry this with me. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 17 10:26:49 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 17 10:02:24 2010. Of coruse I don't since you say it it must be true. I stand by my statement. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 17 10:29:09 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 17 10:02:24 2010. I'm off today so if you want to play spin the words around please let's do so. |
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Posted by HarryP on Fri Dec 17 10:35:15 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 10:05:50 2010. Pleased to see Carlos Miller's website has picked up the story. What is needed is full-blown national media coverage, i.e., TV, radio, newspapers.These types of incidents will continue as long as Homeland Security Chief, Janet Napolitano's war on photography, which she perceives as suspicious behavior, persists. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 10:43:06 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by HarryP on Fri Dec 17 10:35:15 2010. The Transit Museum and the MTA need to step up to the plate on this one too. "Railfan and Railroad" could have been writing a positive article that might have attracted railfans from across the country to visit the Museum and/or ride the historic trains. Instead the message will be visit to take pictures at the risk of being arrested and subjected to months of legal problems. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Fri Dec 17 11:06:24 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 10:43:06 2010. I.A.W.T.P |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Dec 17 11:09:09 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 10:43:06 2010. To think, all because of dim-wit, misinformed cops!!! :-PCops like those make all cops, the good ones who are well informed and live up to the C.P.R. (Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect) slogan of the NYPD, look really bad!! And it makes you think if all the talk about quotas had something to do with, or some part or motivation, in this ridiculous incident??? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Dec 17 11:11:52 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 10:05:50 2010. Good that this gets media attention!! But sadly, whether it will stop, indeed will remain to be seen!!! I mean if RType's publicized issue didn't slow things down or stop them, I would not, sadly, hold my breath on this one stopping anything!! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 11:36:46 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Dec 17 11:11:52 2010. I just wrote to Jim Dwyer - maybe he will pick up the story for the Times just like he did for RType. Hopefully he remembers me - we were in the same high school class, although we did not keep in touch afterwards :) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Dec 17 12:48:20 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 11:36:46 2010. You should stay in touch!!! Good to have good, known people in the right places. And specially for matters like such. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 12:52:00 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 10:24:45 2010. Where are all the naysayers now who claim these things only happen to Nilet.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 13:07:01 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 12:52:00 2010. Who said that?What many said was that Nilet seems to be targeted more than most, leading many to believe he is doing something to provoke these confrontations. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Dec 17 13:29:31 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 13:07:01 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 13:31:25 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 13:07:01 2010. Seems the only thing you have to do to provoke the police is take pictures. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Dec 17 15:13:12 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 13:31:25 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 17 16:13:21 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 12:52:00 2010. Where are all the naysayers now who claim these things only happen to Nilet.... They are still being their usual hypocritical fucktard selves. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 16:15:30 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 17 13:31:25 2010. I have taken pictures in front of cops and never had a problem with them.No, wait. I had one problem. In 2004, during the Centennial celebration on the Astoria line. NP David was with me at the time, so he should recall the incident. |
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