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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010 Copied from another discussion group. Apologies if it's a repost; I didn't see it.R&R Editor Steve Barry locked up in NYPD encounter photographing vintage subway train > Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:24:13 -0800 > Subject: [A_A] Police Encounter in New York City > > Editorial in next issue of Railfan and Railroad magazine > > > Police Encounter in New York City > > > > On August 21, 2010, your editor, along with contributor Mike > > Burkhart, went into New York City to photograph the Transit Museum’s > > historic train, which was making a run to the Rockaways. After > > shooting for most of the day, we were waiting for the return trip at > > the Broad Channel station when we were approached by two (and > > eventually, five) officers of the New York Police Department. They > > insisted that photography was not allowed. After asking for i.d., I > > gave a verbal legal i.d. (full name and hometown) and repeatedly > > asked for a supervisor. I soon found myself in handcuffs. > > > > Mike and I were eventually cited, with the Transit Adjudication > > Bureau violation reading “. . . P.O. observed deft using his camera > > to take unauthorized photos on south bound plat.” This apparently > > violated Section/Subdivision 1050.9.C of the New York City Rules of > > Conduct. By the way, the section cited states that “Photography, > > filming or video recording in any facility or conveyance is permitted > > except that ancillary equipment such as lights, reflectors or tripods > > may not be used.” > > > > Even though the tickets for photography totalled $25.00 each (I > > received an additional ticket related to producing i.d. for another > > $50.00) and we could easily have settled them via phone, Mike and I > > have taken the stand that the police have gone too far. We contacted > > the New York Civil Liberties Union, who readily agreed to take the > > case. Our first step was to go to the Transit Adjudication Bureau > > (with three attorneys in tow for $100 worth of tickets!) to have the > > violations dismissed, which they were with no question, since the law > > clearly allows photography. > > > > Next step is, our attorneys have filed a Notice of Claim with the > > Comptroller of the City of New York stating that, “Please take notice > > that Claimant Ernest Steve Barry intends to file claims for damages > > against the City of New York, the New York City Police Department, > > and New York City Police Department Officers . . .” and goes on to > > list the officers involved. > > > > Since this is an ongoing legal matter, we’ll give you just the facts > > that are a part of the public record at this point. The facts of the > > incident, as stated in the Notice of Claim, are: > > > > “3. The time, place, and manner in which the claims arose are as > > follows: > > > > “Claimant is a resident of Newton, New Jersey. On the afternoon of > > August 21, 2010, Claimant and Michael Burkhart took photographs from > > the southbound end of the Broad Channel subway station platform. > > They were approached by a New York City Police Officer, identified by > > Claimant’s observance of the Officer’s badge as Respondent Officer > > Dutes, Shield Number 15004, and one other officer. Officer Dutes > > demanded that Claimant cease taking photographs. During this > > interaction, three other officers approached the group. > > > > “Officer Dutes then demanded to see Claimant’s I.D. and Michael > > Burkhart’s I.D. Claimant informed Officer Dutes that he was not > > carrying I.D., and instead provided Officer Dutes with his name and > > hometown. Officer Dutes then placed Claimant in handcuffs, searched > > his pockets without his consent, and escorted Claimant off the > > platform to a waiting room. One of the officers left. Neither > > Claimant nor Mr. [Burkhart] was able to obtain this officer's name or > > badge number. > > > > “Claimant was detained for a total of approximately 20 minutes. > > Officer Dutes issued Claimant two Notices of Violation alleging that > > Claimant 21 N.Y.C.R.R. § 1050.9(c) by taking unauthorized photographs > > and 21 N.Y.C.R.R. § 1050.6(d)(3) by refusing to provide I.D. After > > issuing these Notices, Officer Dutes released Claimant. During the > > period of Claimant’s detention, Officers Dutes, Blakely, Balkaran and > > Brennan were present. On October 1, 2010, the Transit Adjudication > > Bureau dismissed both Notices of Violation as facially insufficient.” > > > > > > It goes on to say: > > > > “4. Claimant has been damaged as follows: (1) Claimant was unlawfully > > deprived of his liberty and his free speech right of free expression; > > (2) Claimant was subjected to unlawful use of force and physical > > contact, and (3) Claimant was unlawfully detained, causing him > > injury. > > > > “Based on the information known to Claimant at this time, Claimant > > has suffered damages amounting to no less than 50,000 dollars for the > > violations of his rights under state law and the Constitution of the > > State of New York. Claimant reserves his rights to supplement the > > nature of his claims, the identity of New York City officials or > > employees named in his claims, and the amount of total damages.” > > > > > > We’ll keep you informed as best we can as this wins it way through > > the legal system. > > > > Steve Barry > > Managing editor > > Railfan & Railroad |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 10:24:45 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. Nice. Are these officers morons or is this another case of the chuchubob old rule book... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 16 10:27:08 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. Kudos to them! |
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Posted by LA Scott on Thu Dec 16 10:32:59 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. I wonder if NYPD will ever learn?Having 1 cop screw up is bad enough, but 5 is beyond stupid. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Dec 16 10:53:31 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. I'm glad they are pursuing the legal process with these officers. Why, oh why, won't these guys understand that photography such as this is legal? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Dec 16 10:54:57 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. How many times will it take before the police learn enough is enough? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 10:56:38 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. This is inexcusable. How many lawsuits will it take before the NYPD ends its war against photography. This cannot simply be attributed to police officers who are "ignorant" of the law |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Thu Dec 16 10:58:08 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. I got an email regarding the story; you beat me to posting it......pretty despicable if u ask me.......I hope these guys get a nice payout....... I'm surprised that they didn't tell their story sooner...... Also, they should call the news; let our taxpaying new yorkers see that their money is being wasted by having nypd cops (who clearly must not be able to comprehend english) writing bogus tickets and taking guys in who clearly did nothing wrong........ I'm waiting to see if someone here says they provoked the cops.....smdh..... |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Dec 16 11:01:41 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. I wonder who we need protection from, the bad guys who want to rob us or the bad cops who abuse their authority. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:03:49 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Dec 16 10:58:08 2010. I sent the story to Carlos Miller - his blog gets lots of media coverage |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 11:23:47 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by murray1575 on Thu Dec 16 11:01:41 2010. LION has NEVER been approached by a "bad guy"LION has been questioned by officers with the result being "Have a nice day, and enjoy your stay in New York City." LION does not get puffy with the cops. He breaks out his brochures about his railroad, and after a few minutes of detailed explanations on my railroad, the officers are quite happy to get away. 
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:23:52 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Dec 16 10:53:31 2010. Steve will prevail. But this thing happens over and over and over. And it will continue.Steve prevailing WILL NOT set a new policy for NYPD to stop hassling the public for legal photography in the subway. King Bloomburg and his faithful "deputy" Ray Kelly won't do it as they'll stick up for every cop who does this claiming it's a "judgement call, erring on the side of caution i.e possible terrorist connections, you see, Steve Barry got it thrown out anyway." NYPD message to railfans: maybe photography is legal, but we'll hassle you to death to discourage you from partaking in your legal hobby. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:25:10 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:03:49 2010. No, they have to go to CH.7's Nina Pineda or Ch.11's Greg Mocker to get REAL publciity. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:26:32 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:25:10 2010. Sorry about the punctuation and spelling errors, time to go to work. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:27:13 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:25:10 2010. Carlos has friends in the media - it will get passed on :) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:32:01 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:23:52 2010. I guess this is just toilet paper to the NYPD: 
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:38:45 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:23:52 2010. This is why punitive damages need to be awarded against the NYPD. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:41:45 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by LA Scott on Thu Dec 16 10:32:59 2010. Having 1 cop screw up is bad enough, but 5 is beyond stupid.It's fairly indicative of a willful disregard for the law. The court should award damages of $1 million against the NYPD for each officer involved. A $5 million hole in their budget would serve them right. They'd have to follow the TWU's example and remortgage their headquarters and start behaving for the next 20 years. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:43:51 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by LA Scott on Thu Dec 16 10:32:59 2010. One cop may be attributable to "ignorance of the law"Five cops is a conspiracy to deprive photographers of our rights under the law |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 16 11:46:16 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:41:45 2010. TWU has no relevance in this matter with these clueless cops. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:46:57 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Dave on Thu Dec 16 10:54:57 2010. Until either:a) they have punitive damages (commensurate with their $3.9bn income) awarded against them; or: b) Joseph J. Esposito and Raymond W. Kelly are jailed for leading this organized crime gang. |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Thu Dec 16 11:47:12 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:23:52 2010. Eventually,with a lot of payouts on cops judgment calls(which are wrong),they are going to cost the city money......someone is going to get a nice payout eventually if this continues........Also, if the c.c.r.b finds the cops acted inappropriately,there is a penalty,from loss of vacation days to a suspension....... In my instance, the cops were found to have acted inappropriately(I don't know what penalty they ended up getting)...... |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Dec 16 11:55:40 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. Great, more unnecessary NYPD arrests. I hope the photographers fight this & eventually win their case! This is an absolute farce, it's just WRONG, and needs to be stopped! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 11:57:24 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:32:01 2010. Just make a printout of it, and hand it to the officer with your ID card.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:33:36 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 16 11:46:16 2010. SMDH. He was making a comparison. He's not saying the TWU acted like these cops. He's comparing the punishment the TWU received, and their resulting financial hardship, with what he thinks the NYPD deserves.This is like your "appeal to majority" incident. Both times you totally didn't understand what was being said. Please try to listen to reason instead of lashing out and arguing. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:37:47 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:23:52 2010. claiming it's a "judgement call, erring on the side of caution i.e possible terrorist connections No, Bill. That explanation would only make sense if they were defending an incident where someone was detained but ultimately not charged with anything. That is not the case here, so that is not what "King Bloomburg and his faithful "deputy" Ray Kelly" would say in this case. There is absolutely no defense possible that "King Bloomburg and his faithful "deputy" Ray Kelly" could use for the actions of these officers in charging Steve with a violation of 1050.9c when the law is the opposite of what the cops meant to charge him with. Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:38:06 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 16 11:46:57 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:39:17 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Dec 16 10:58:08 2010. I'm waiting to see if someone here says they provoked the cops.....smdh..... The only people you'll get to say that are the same people who use that line whenever Nilet gets in trouble. The rest of us know better. Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:39:54 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:27:13 2010. IAWTP. Much better idea. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 12:40:45 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 11:25:10 2010. Bill, I know there are some people in NYC who watch the local news, but ever since I've moved here, I've probably watched fewer than 5 local newscasts. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:44:56 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010. Those officers and the City get what they deserve and I hope this guy and anyone else with him win and win big!!! Those officers could not have been more wrong!!Again, the last several times I was at Broad Channel to take shots, and there was nothing in particular running the times I went, and stayed each time there at least 2 hours or so, and the NYPD never said a word to me (and so it is clear, I DO NOT carry my railroad I.D. on my person!!), and in fact one time they were there when I was shooting, I even stopped them and asked them about the photography thing, and all 5 officers confirmed to me that system photography is perfectly legal providing it is done in legal, public areas and not in restricted areas (aka trespassing). I shot away for a whole 2 1/2 hours there after and nothing happened at all. But they did go on to say, and I state I am not saying at all this guy or his companions did this, but the times they do speak to rail buffs and photographers, issues arise when the buffs or photographers begin getting belligerent with them, and combatant with them, and then they do what they have to do given that escalated situation. Much we know from the story, but do remember there are accounts of this we do not know about, and there are other sides of this story. Let us see where this goes, and what more comes out, and then make judgments. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Dec 16 12:45:34 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:43:51 2010. Ignorance of the law? They ARE the law XD |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:46:02 2010, in response to Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Dec 16 10:16:19 2010.  Only 50K. I'd sue for 50 million, not to actually win, but to gain publicity and to make whatever settlement high enough to warrant actual action being taken on this issue. I now think the cops know the law and really don't care. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 16 12:47:07 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Dec 16 11:47:12 2010. A 30-day "rip" would've been nice. I doubt that's what they got. Probably only a reprimand. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:48:06 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:44:56 2010. Cops are human beings. Many are cool and just do their jobs. Some are total assholes who will take any opportunity to mess with you simply because they like the power trip. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:50:01 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 11:32:01 2010. Can I get this somewhere as a .pdf file? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 12:51:10 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:50:01 2010. Google "Cute Writer"Anything you can print can be a PDF.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:53:18 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 12:51:10 2010. 
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:53:32 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by rtype3995 on Thu Dec 16 10:58:08 2010. Well, the hope is that from this they get the $$$$$$ and use it to get even better cameras and equipment, and keep on doing what they do.Just sad that a few misinformed officers had to spoil things!!! smh....sigh!! But again, let us get the whole story and then make judgments. There is the editor's side, but there is also the officer's sides to that should be heard. And if I recall Broad Channel has cameras, so maybe the cameras can be key to corroborating someone's account here. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 12:57:09 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:50:01 2010. Here |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:57:11 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:48:06 2010. Sad to say I have seen a fair bit of power-tripped officers, and I mean the kind who should not have their jobs, and to be honest I have found some NYPD guys to be horribly arrogant, even ones who come on our trains with courtesy rides.....often, I have to tell them "You're welcome" when the least they can do is say thanks, as MNR nor LIRR conductors and crew are NOT required, even with the MTA Police Ride Pass the officers are issued, to ride them, as it rests solely in our judgment. Some are really arrogant bastards, and when on duty can very easily translate into being power-hungry imbeciles. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 12:57:53 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:50:01 2010. Here |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 13:02:23 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:44:56 2010. and then they do what they have to do given that escalated situation. Which is totally irrelevant to this thread, because even if the railfans did get belligerent, the cops wouldn't charge them with violating a non-existent law! Take Pride,
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 13:02:55 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 12:57:53 2010. Poor LION.Maybe this time he will make the link correctly. Here, Really Here!
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 13:07:03 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 12:57:53 2010. GRRRRR.It is at broadwaylion.com/NYCT/Order14.pdf YOU make the darn link work! Sheesh |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 13:08:49 2010, in response to .pdf - Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 13:02:55 2010. Hmmmmmmm....not quite!!! :-DDon't burn off too many of your nine lives trying!!! :-D |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 13:11:04 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Dec 16 11:55:40 2010. IAWTP 110% |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 13:11:09 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:53:32 2010. There is no officer's side. When are you going to understand that? There is never any justification to charge someone with a violation of a non-existent law. You are clearly confusing this incident with one where the officers charge someone with the violation of an EXISTING law. |
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Re: pdf [WORKING LINK] -- Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Dec 16 13:37:43 2010, in response to pdf -- Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 13:07:03 2010. You got it right here. |
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Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 16 13:44:32 2010, in response to Re: Railfan & Railroad editor handcuffed at Broad Channel, suing, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 12:53:32 2010. But again, let us get the whole story and then make judgments. There is the editor's side, but there is also the officer's sides to that should be heard.There is no officer's side in this - they issued a ticket for illegal photography when photography is clearly legal. How do you defend that? |
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