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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 4 10:17:44 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 06:45:15 2008. But in every other airport in the country, you don't need to pay the airport to ride the circulator if you transfer from adjacent rapid transit! So you can't use that as your reason for the parking lot people!First off, they are not paying to ride a circulator, they are paying for the connection to the circulator via the paid branch of the AirTrain to Howard Beach. Second, we are talking about JFK Airport. What other airports do in completely different situations or even if they were the same, is irrelevant. That is there, this is here, and they have no baring on each other. Or they could stop charging people coming from the A. I don't understand why you are against that. Why should they stop charging from the A? It's a paid branch of Airtrain that brings them to the free part of the circulator after Federal Circle. Parking at the lot along the paid HB leg allows people using that lot for the fee to be waived, just like all the other lots along the actual circulator. They are already paying to park. I didn't say they are paying airtrain IN that parking, I said parking there allows them (and the car's occupants) to ride airtrain, just like any of the other lots. No, they don't have a choice. They have to have secret inside info. Any old shlub on the (A) hears "A to JFK" a million times. He is told over and over to make sure he is on a Far Rockaway train stopping at Howard Beach in order to get airtrain. He is not told each time that there is a free alternative. In fact, he's not ever told that AirTrain costs money. There is no "secret" info. Most people given the choice would chose the HB leg of Airtrain over the hellbus via the Q10 anyway. Any regular rider will know the other options. And if not, that's their own fault. If someone is not satisfied with the $5, most people would see if there are alternates (most of which of course are more expensive than $5). The "free" alternative via the Q10 SUCKS the big one. Most will not chose that anyway. Regulars have the option of buying a monthly for Airtrain which comes to only $1 a ride (depending on how often of course). That is still well worth it for the ease of connection and not to have to schlep on that Q10 bus. It's in their best interest to get as many people to their airport as they can. And look, there is a subway line RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF THE PROPERTY. Of course they are going to serve it!!!!!!! They'd be nuts not to! Correct. And they exponentially improved the connection too! It's called Airtrain. I'm surprised you never heard of it. No, they did it probably because the MTA dropped it train to the plane bus shuttle and the PA recognized that they needed to continue serving the A station. Of course. But since the MTA was no longer providing a premium service, and their premium service was still years away, the bus had to do, no matter how inconvenient it was. What ROW "into" the airport?????? The MTA owned some strip of ROW into the airport which they never used for direct subway to circulator service via that line. I don't know if that dated still from the LIRR or if that was obtained after the transit system took over the Rockaway line, but either way, they owned a ROW into the airport which they never used. If they had extended the A train to the circulator and had the A terminate there somewhere along the free circulator, then we would not be having this conversation. No, they do not rightfully charge for it. They are stealing money from people. There is NO reason to be charging money for it. Thanks for your OPINION. But we heard your OPINION already. Opinions are not fact. If they want to replace a FREE service with one costing $5, then yes, they better dam well offer a parallel free alternative. There is no reason to have a second, redundant, and inconvenient service parralling the Airtrain service which is far superior. The "free service" that operated for about 10 years replaced a PAID service before it that was connected to a premium service that was discontinued. After the seamless AirTrain connection was made, a connection that is a premium service over the bus it replaced. The AirTrain has much more potential to attract new riders than the crappy bus it replaced, now that a seamless connection via rail is there which brings people to the circulator and eventiually to their terminals very efficiently. For those that feel that their time and convenience is not worth much, or those that don't mind, there is an alternative with the SAME A train (running alternatively with HB A trains). it's called the Q10. No, it would be propert. The people riding the A, trying to get to JFK, have no clue about the Q10. Every announcement and sign says to take a Far Rockaway (A) train to Howard Beach for AirTrain Yes, because you would have to be somewhat dimented to chose the Lefferts A and the Q10 over the much easier, convenient, and reasonable Airtrain service at Howard Beach. Who in their right mind would chose a bus at the mercy of traffic and all weather conditions over a simple 10 minute train ride. Furthermore, on the online map, they even put "Q10 to JFK Airport", one of the only buses that they actually give a destination next to the number for) when you click on Lefferts Blvd). |
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