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Re: Air Train question

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 06:45:15 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 3 15:01:26 2008.

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Because they paid for parking just like any other lot in the airport.

But in every other airport in the country, you don't need to pay the airport to ride the circulator if you transfer from adjacent rapid transit! So you can't use that as your reason for the parking lot people!

I don't see how they can stop it. Perhaps that is something they should look at. But I can only see if they issued a parking pass for people who parked, which would allow access for anyone in the car. Then Q10 and Kiss and ride would have to pay. I don't know if their revenue loss from the Q10 or the Kiss and ride people is so great that going through that expense would outweigh the few that luck out. I would think instituting that sort of a system would cost more than the revenues they would collect from it. Perhaps it should be looked into though.

Or they could stop charging people coming from the A. I don't understand why you are against that.

No, only some A people that chose to go that way. A NYCT people have a choice to also go to Lefferts on a train that runs alternately with the Howard Beach trains.

No, they don't have a choice. They have to have secret inside info. Any old shlub on the (A) hears "A to JFK" a million times. He is told over and over to make sure he is on a Far Rockaway train stopping at Howard Beach in order to get airtrain. He is not told each time that there is a free alternative. In fact, he's not ever told that AirTrain costs money.

The PA doesn't have to provide service for NYCT's passengers.

It's in their best interest to get as many people to their airport as they can. And look, there is a subway line RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF THE PROPERTY. Of course they are going to serve it!!!!!!! They'd be nuts not to!

They provided the bus as a coutesy when the MTA decided to drop those people.

No, they did it probably because the MTA dropped it train to the plane bus shuttle and the PA recognized that they needed to continue serving the A station.

The MTA also owns or owned a ROW into the Airport. They chose to not use that asset and instead the PA had to build the access.

What ROW "into" the airport??????

They call that the Howard Beach Airtrain, and they rightfully charge for it's use.

No, they do not rightfully charge for it. They are stealing money from people. There is NO reason to be charging money for it.

There is no reason they have to provide a parrallel bus next to the Airtrain.

If they want to replace a FREE service with one costing $5, then yes, they better dam well offer a parallel free alternative.

That would be redundant, ,especially since cheaper alternatives are out there for those same A passengers via Lefferts.

No, it would be propert. The people riding the A, trying to get to JFK, have no clue about the Q10. Every announcement and sign says to take a Far Rockaway (A) train to Howard Beach for AirTrain.

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