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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 14:00:22 2008, in response to Re: Air Train question, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 4 10:17:44 2008. First off, they are not paying to ride a circulator, they are paying for the connection to the circulator via the paid branch of the AirTrain to Howard Beach.Nope. Yoi still think circulators are loops. They aren't! Circulators circulate people throughout the airport property, including the parking lots! Thus the HB branch is part of the circulator! The only station on AirTrain that isn't on airport property is the Jamaica station, and the only section of ROW off airport property is the section from north of Fed Circle to Jamaica! That is the only part of AirTrain that isn't part of the circulator. Second, we are talking about JFK Airport. What other airports do in completely different situations or even if they were the same, is irrelevant. That is there, this is here, and they have no baring on each other. It's not irrelevant at all. It is totally relevant. Why should they stop charging from the A? It's a paid branch of Airtrain that brings them to the free part of the circulator after Federal Circle. Parking at the lot along the paid HB leg allows people using that lot for the fee to be waived, just like all the other lots along the actual circulator. They are already paying to park. I didn't say they are paying airtrain IN that parking, I said parking there allows them (and the car's occupants) to ride airtrain, just like any of the other lots. No, see above. There is no "secret" info. Most people given the choice would chose the HB leg of Airtrain over the hellbus via the Q10 anyway. Any regular rider will know the other options. And if not, that's their own fault. If someone is not satisfied with the $5, most people would see if there are alternates (most of which of course are more expensive than $5). The "free" alternative via the Q10 SUCKS the big one. Most will not chose that anyway. Regulars have the option of buying a monthly for Airtrain which comes to only $1 a ride (depending on how often of course). That is still well worth it for the ease of connection and not to have to schlep on that Q10 bus. Haha, regular riders! What regular riders (non-employees) would take a long ride on the (A) just to pay $5 for a short ride through a parking lot one stop? Probably very very few. Correct. And they exponentially improved the connection too! It's called Airtrain. I'm surprised you never heard of it. Making a free service a paid service is not an improvement. Of course. But since the MTA was no longer providing a premium service, and their premium service was still years away, the bus had to do, no matter how inconvenient it was. The MTA was not providing a premium service. The premium service was on the rails. The bus to the terminals was not premium. It was just part of the package. If they had extended the A train to the circulator and had the A terminate there somewhere along the free circulator, then we would not be having this conversation. And you know this becuse? How does the (A) running onto the property change ANY part of your argument? You still have the problem of people taking the subway to Jamaica having to pay for AirTrain. You still have AirTRain going all the way to the long term lot. So they didn't have to build a couple hundred feet of structure and a station. That justifies not charging a fare to A transferees when the fare doesn't even cover the construction costs in the first place? I have a BIG problem with you saying "If they had extended the A train to the circulator and had the A terminate there somewhere along the free circulator, then we would not be having this conversation" because it runs counter to all of your arguments. Thanks for your OPINION. But we heard your OPINION already. Opinions are not fact. As I already said, and you keep ignoring, it is an opinion based on fact. The ONE AND ONLY fact you have backing up your opinion on all this is that "the PA can do whatever they want". That's just great. There is no reason to have a second, redundant, and inconvenient service parralling the Airtrain service which is far superior. Yes there is. To provide people with a free alternative to get around the airport. The "free service" that operated for about 10 years replaced a PAID service before it No it didn't. The paid service was a TTTP package. If you didn't use the rail portion, that was your loss. The free PA shuttle bus did not replace TTTTP. Nothing has replaced TTTTP. The AirTrain has much more potential to attract new riders than the crappy bus it replaced, now that a seamless connection via rail is there which brings people to the circulator and eventiually to their terminals very efficiently. Not at $5 a person. At $0 per person however it would have a greater potential. For those that feel that their time and convenience is not worth much, or those that don't mind, there is an alternative with the SAME A train (running alternatively with HB A trains). it's called the Q10. It's not advertised nearly as much. It's not announced on the trains. People are told a million time to go to HB for the airtrain. The people who are most likely to not like the $5 far are those that weren't expecting it, and those are people who aren't regular riders and would have no idea about the Q10. Yes, because you would have to be somewhat dimented to chose the Lefferts A and the Q10 over the much easier, convenient, and reasonable Airtrain service at Howard Beach. Which is why the free shuttle buses from HB should remain. The Q10, according to you, is not a viable free alternative. |
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