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Re: Nighttime Shot of 3rd Ave El at 67th Street (1953)

Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Dec 5 00:50:26 2017, in response to Re: Nighttime Shot of 3rd Ave El at 67th Street (1953), posted by Express Rider on Mon Dec 4 18:28:21 2017.

Hello Express Rider

As long as I have been around -- I have never seen photos of Composites serving the IRT Flushing and IRT Astoria Line EL's.

Of note is that IF any transit railfans existed in 1917 when the IRT 2nd Ave EL finally cross the Queensboro Bridge to Queens and on to those two IRT EL lines, they likely didn't have, nor could afford those huge professional cameras only available back then. So likely no photos were taken by them.

It is possible and not unlikely that Composites could have and possibly did serve the Queens EL services via 2nd Ave EL - QBoro Bridge in 1917 and for a few years after. The All Motor Car composites would have no problems on the Bridge grades.

However, using logic and history, when the BMT started running their BMT EL Gate Car Shuttles starting in 1922 on the Flushing & Astoria lines from Queens Plaza Station out to Flushing & Astoria, this likely dropped the passenger volume of IRT rider passengers. Those BMT system passengers who would depart the terminating BMT Standards arriving from the 60th St tunnel connection to Queens Plaza to take either the IRT 2nd Ave EL or IRT Steinway Lines Subway trains -- out to Astoria or Flushing. By 1922, the BMT Passengers could change for free transfer, across the BMT station island platform, from the BMT Steel Standards subway trains to the BMT EL Gate Car Shuttles to and from those terminal destinations.

And perhaps how and why a Composite rolled off the end of an unfinished Flushing El structure track and fell to the street during the construction of the IRT Flushing Line EL. And that photo "purporting" to be Composites layup-stored on a center track on the Astoria EL - which however, could have been the IRT Jerome Ave or White Plains Rd EL per the style of background buildings

In that event, Composites likely would have been surplus consists, and would have been returned to and permanently relegated solely to 3rd & 2nd Avenue El express services only. Just my professional assumption.

With the 1920 extensions of the Bronx 3rd Ave. EL from Bronx Park (west) Terminal northward to Gun Hill Road (via Webster Ave) and to E. 241St Street via the White plains Rd El, and the White Plains Road line EL from E. 180th Street northward to E. 241st Street - the Composites would have been much needed for those extended services and increased mileage routes express services.

regards - Joe F


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