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Re: (L) to New Jersey

Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 25 19:10:20 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by WillD on Mon Aug 24 23:50:51 2015.

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You are a fine one to be complaining about "massive surface disruption".

Your convenient amnesia disregarded that fact that Gateway requires Penn Station South and that requires complete demolition of Blocks 780 and part of 805. That includes 80 businesses and 2 churches. Good luck with the hundreds of real estate lawyers who will take Amtrak to the cleaners. Doing so in NY is not as simple a matter as doing so in Phildephia.

I don't know what "massive surface disruption" #7 entails, but I'd much rather do it at 24th Street by 11th and 12th Avenue than 32nd Street from 8th Avenue to halfway to 6th.

As for only "Amtrak has made some provisions for an additional Hudson Tunnel", that was some Sandy money to build a box tunnel under the LIRR yard, which requires LIRR, at Amtrak expense, to have to deadhead 4 trains (2 to Corona, 2 to Long Beach) out and back each rush hour, and it also demolished a car shop.

#7 top Secaucus builds out the 10th Avenue station, and adds access to 5th Avenue and Grand Central stations.

Gateway does not touch the NY subway system as it attempts to dump another 80,00 people into the NYPS complex.

There is more to building Hudson River tunnels than simply building Hudson River tunnels and playing train. It's a mess don't matter what. Be nice if you out-of-town, intellectual, planners could handle details.

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