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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 11:38:16 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 11:31:00 2010.

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Then attack my beliefs, but I will retaliate against personal attacks with personal attacks.



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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:41:02 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:51:28 2010.

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If it were THAT easy to disprove then it would not have hundreds of millions of believers.

There are hundreds of millions of Hindus too. Does their numerousness make their religious beliefs as true as yours?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:43:28 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:42:33 2010.

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Prove they are entirely myths.

Read what Bishop Spong has to say about the Christmas story.

Prove that there is no God.

Aside from the ridiculousness of the idea of proving a negative, what do you mean by "God" anyway?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:45:30 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 00:47:09 2010.

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It would probably be easier to enumerate the few things that are actually credible.

That's what I like about this page.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 11:46:47 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:41:02 2010.

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At least they believe in some sort of supreme power or powers. We can debate who or what that power is but atheists want to tear down everything the majority of this planet believes in.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:49:43 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 01:20:42 2010.

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That shows no conviction in one's belief in the existence of no god(s).

You seem to want to describe atheism as a religion, rather than as the rejection of religion. You fail.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:55:40 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 01:42:01 2010.

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This is why it would be more accurate to describe atheism in its Western sense as athrescism. There are religions without gods, but that is not what the American Atheists are in favor of.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:57:05 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 01:24:53 2010.

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It's also an admission by the atheists(the left) that the war on Christmas is being lost.

What war on Christmas? And are you seriously so deluded that you have missed the existence of the irreligious right?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:58:37 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 01:14:46 2010.

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The point of their organization is that stupid superstitions need to be mocked.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:59:21 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:29:35 2010.

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It is not a Christian holiday. Otherwise, it would be unconstitutional for it to be a federal one.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:07:41 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:59:21 2010.

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Observing religious holidays is not unconstitutional. Getting the US and USSR constitutions mixed up again?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:08:57 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 1 10:29:48 2010.

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the Bible was written by a bunch of drunks cooped up in a room somewhere, some in various states of mental stability

That's very communistic of you.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:09:36 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:20:02 2010.

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It's not a non-religious cultural phenomenon. No matter what form it takes, it's always religious.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:10:05 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:45:30 2010.

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I see you still like false arguments and lies.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:11:09 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:54:15 2010.

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The Bible doesn't say that the earth is 6,000 years old. It doesn't give the planet's age.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:11:32 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:54:15 2010.

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The Bible doesn't say that the earth is 6,000 years old. It doesn't give the planet's age. As for Noah's ark, how can you disprove it?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:12:05 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:56:15 2010.

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That's not in the bible.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:14:08 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 10:11:14 2010.

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It does however have everything to do with the Church of the Almighty (insert currency here)

They do it in other countries too, you know. Don't forget about the Church of the Almighty Euro.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:15:09 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 08:28:49 2010.

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Which one's the 57th?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 12:19:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:14:08 2010.

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Yeahbut I wanted to go the original well for the expression. You can of course exchange one Almighty Dollar for whatever almighty currency you like.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 12:23:09 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 12:08:57 2010.

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Tell me what isn't communism to you? Out of curiosity.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 12:26:27 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 07:12:44 2010.

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Thumbs up!

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 12:31:32 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 1 04:14:53 2010.

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I think the fact that is lost here and why atheists are able to get away with attacking Islam while Christians can't is because when atheists do it, it is understood that we're doing it in the context of attacking all religions. When Christians attack Islam, they are doing to decry one religion in favor of another, which is more suspect...

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 12:34:45 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 04:11:21 2010.

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Do atheists tell Christians how to design their proselytism?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:36:20 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 30 22:47:49 2010.

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Because it's Christmas and three quarters of Americans identify as Christian.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 12:36:55 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 01:22:00 2010.

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Exactly!

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 12:38:31 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 11:46:47 2010.

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Yes, that process generally called education...

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:38:44 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 04:50:28 2010.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:42:50 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:45:41 2010.

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Atheism is petrifying. There is no Creator, no Plan, no reason for existence, no ultimate goal. Life is an accident of chemistry, the universe a collection of soul-less laws leading to nothing.

This is why I embrace Deism. All that is required is the acceptance of an all powerful Creator and that there is a plan (not the Cylon plan, that sorta didn't work out). Everything else after this is open for debate and essentially pointless. Science is God's rule, He does not actively interfere in the process and hasn't since the Big Bang.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:44:16 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:53:12 2010.

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That's insane. What hope does it offer? Stop praying, it's all pointless! There's nothing beyond the crappy, physical world, so your suffering in your current life is meaningless!

Yeah, sign me up for more of that.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:44:59 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 01:01:29 2010.

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You don't have to reject God to reject an organized religion. God is universal. Religion is a product of man.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:46:29 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:03:21 2010.

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Who invented common decency?



Where's the motivation to remain moral if there's no reason to do so?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:48:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 04:40:52 2010.

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Sometimes fear is good. Works with kids. Getting a 10yo to understand the importance of homework is impossible, loss of video game privileges is a much easier concept to grasp.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:48:58 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 01:24:35 2010.

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These were written 4000 years ago by people who did not understand the world around them.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:50:21 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 04:39:56 2010.

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Heaven and Hell are myths, and belief in them is not a requirement of a belief in God.

All I see here are attacks on organized religion, which is fair game. What I do not see is an attack on the belief in an all powerful creator.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by R PansePCC on Wed Dec 1 12:50:31 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 1 10:29:48 2010.

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I think it would be more fun if Jesus were an illegal Mexican living in Southern California.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 12:51:49 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:38:44 2010.

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LOL oh shit.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:53:02 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 1 10:07:31 2010.

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That's not a Jewish symbol, it is merely a representative of the Star Of Bethlehem. This billboard is an attack on key Christian beliefs and Christian beliefs alone. I explained elsewhere why this was done.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:54:02 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R PansePCC on Wed Dec 1 12:50:31 2010.

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Jesus has been dead for nearly 2000 years. He died on the cross. End of story.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Dec 1 12:57:30 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:44:59 2010.

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Exactly.

Jimmymc25

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 12:58:05 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R PansePCC on Wed Dec 1 12:50:31 2010.

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That's not a big leap. Lotsa Mexicans named Jesus LOL

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 13:01:41 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:44:59 2010.

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Which God? That's where the argument gets difficult.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 1 13:02:15 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:36:20 2010.

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Good! Christian conservatives get too smug sometimes and need to be taken down a couple of notches.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 13:02:26 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:48:03 2010.

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Sometimes fear is good.

Absolutely. Ask the TSA.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 13:05:12 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:46:29 2010.

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I don't think the Bible, the Old Testament in particular, is a good source of moral guidance for a modern society.

Man invented common decency; the need to have a set of rules on how to treat other members of your species was a natural consequence of being sophisticated social animals.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 13:08:21 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:44:16 2010.

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Yes, because it assigns substantially more value to our lives as we have them, because that is all we have, as best as we can determine. This is why it is far more important to help one another and improve the quality of the lives of our fellow man, and to be opposed to needless death, because every life is all the more precious.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 13:09:20 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 13:01:41 2010.

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There is only one. Their separation and definition is again, a product of man.

BSG nails it:



It doesn't matter. It's here, and it exists.

God's not on anyone's side. God's a force of nature. Good and evil, we created those.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 13:12:40 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:42:50 2010.

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Life is an accident of chemistry

And what an amazing accident it was.

This is why I embrace Deism. All that is required is the acceptance of an all powerful Creator and that there is a plan

Why is this rationally required? The sciences, such as cosmology, physics, chemistry, biology and evolutionary psychology explain how we got here and how the universe came to be how we see it. What is the rational need of a creator on top of this?

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 13:15:19 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:50:21 2010.

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What I do not see is an attack on the belief in an all powerful creator.

If there was an all powerful creator, how was the creator created?

"I had no need of that hypothesis", said the Laplace in reply to Napoleon, who had asked why he hadn't mentioned God in his book on astronomy.

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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 1 13:27:53 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 13:09:20 2010.

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But does God even exist?

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