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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:42:46 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:38:27 2010. Re: Gay Ads On Subway TrainsPosted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:25:24 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:18:36 2010. This will promote homophobia. Hey, Rush Limbaugh is in trouble again. He's calling Assange a "Sissy". Yes, you DID. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:44:52 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:42:46 2010. Where? I'm sure you think "Sissy" is a form of homophobia.As for that ad, again, I say it will promote homophobia. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Dec 2 12:47:42 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:44:52 2010. How so out of curiosity? Because people actually see that it DOES exist, and there are black and latino people that are gay too? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:48:31 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:44:52 2010. You said the ad would promote homophobia, then changed the subject to talk about Assange.Why do you believe the ad will promote homophobia? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:48:44 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:44:52 2010. You said the ad would promote homophobia, then changed the subject to talk about Assange.Why do you believe the ad will promote homophobia? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:50:47 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:48:31 2010. No. The subject is still homophobia, even if Assange is the alleged target.I don't think straight blacks like seeing two black men in kissy poo mode. Whites could care less. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:54:40 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:50:47 2010. Oh, you're an authority on these things, now? Straight people--black or white, need to be educated about the LGBT community and the text of the ad does that. As for the picture, again, it speaks to the presence of gays in our society, and makes the case that gay love is just as valid as straight love. If people are offended by that, maybe they need to examine why, but I don't think these ads will promote homophobia at all. |
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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 12:55:24 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 14:13:07 2010. Example of a proven negative: there is no rational number whose value is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter.That is proven by disproving the positive, namely by demonstrating that the claim that there is a rational number whose value is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter implies that there is a positive integer n for which n < 1. Likewise the claim to be assessed has to be "there is a God", even if the conclusion one draws from it is "there is no God", or indeed that the claim in itself cannot be meaningfully assessed. Scientists sometimes use the word "God" as an personification of nature. In which case "is" isn't a statement of physical existence. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 2 12:56:20 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 2 11:31:38 2010. So THAT'S what that song "Me and You and a Dog Named Boo" was about. Who knew?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:57:53 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Dec 2 12:47:42 2010. Because people actually see that it DOES exist, and there are black and latino people that are gay too?Who doesn't know that it exists and that there are gay blacks and latinos? Certainly EVERYONE who rides the NYC Subway is well aware of this fact. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 13:00:26 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:54:40 2010. Oh, you're an authorityYes. Straight people--black or white, need to be educated Yes Mr. Radical, but not about this topic. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Dec 2 13:01:30 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:50:47 2010. I can see how it can "uncover" homophobia, but I don't think "promotion" is the right word at all. If it was promoting homophobia, it would just be like those "AIDS awareness ads" where they'd have a man being with a man and then the same man being with a woman, telling people to protect themselves. Ads like that have been posted.The idea of the ad is to show this to straight, gay, bi, and questioning people to show these "happy" minority gay couples in a way that's not demeaning or scandelous. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Dec 2 13:09:05 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:57:53 2010. Point duly noted. That's why New York is fantastic, because of the diversity of people and the fact that the idea that someone is "different" isn't some dramatic catastrophy. But even then, they are showing black/latino couples who are open and comfortable just like any normal couple. If that happens so often on the NYC subway, then I'm quite impressed.I can't say that this is the case elsewhere, which is why I'd love to see this in other cities. |
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Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 2 13:09:11 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 1 11:55:40 2010. I think the current word in use is impiety/impiousness, if you want to make an "ism" out of that. There doesn't seem to be a derivative of Strong's #2357 in use in English. |
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Re: Burden of Proof (Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach) |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Thu Dec 2 13:19:33 2010, in response to Re: Burden of Proof (Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach), posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 21:31:33 2010. Facts have a built-in level of uncertainty with them, and no matter how sure we are of something, we can never be absolutely sure that they are correct. ... In science, we accept this level of uncertainty -- which is why we demand proof of something before we accept its reality and not give credence to propositions solely because they have not been disproved (especially if they are unfalsifiableInteresting post, Jay Man, and I think I see what you mean. For every scientific theory there must be sufficient observational evidence that it is true, and there must also be the possibility, at least in principle, that it could be disproved by contradictory evidence. But even if disproved, there is still a remote possibility that it may be true after all, which is your point. Of course the same applies with greater force to everyday (non-scientific) assertions and denials. For instance a rather low standard of proof (the opinion of twelve people) is sufficient to find someone guilty or not guilty in law. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 2 13:29:56 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 13:36:51 2010. You can't use science to prove God exists.Yes you can. 
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 2 13:33:13 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 2 11:31:38 2010. What's a boo? Is one of them supposed to represent a ghost?? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 2 13:38:10 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:48:58 2010. These were written 4000 years ago by people who did not understand the world around them.They were called conservatives back then too. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 2 13:40:27 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 1 04:39:56 2010. I view hell as a neon lit bar and heaven as a library.Catholic Heaven has loads of vino. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 2 13:42:25 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 15:07:17 2010. expensive vestments for clergy (I'm look at you Catholics!)But they look fly! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 13:45:49 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 15:07:17 2010. Exactly! Imagine the productivity that could be realized if people stopped praying and instead did something useful. If all the money spent on churches and expensive vestments for clergy (I'm look at you Catholics!) were spent on more useful things.Are you kidding? As if Catholics, and only Catholics are responsible. The synagogue across the street from my old apartment was selling tickets for the high holidays and my neighbors were not happy about the prices. It's not just Catholics who are guilty. |
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Re: Burden of Proof (Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach) |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Dec 2 13:45:51 2010, in response to Re: Burden of Proof (Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach), posted by David Fairthorne on Thu Dec 2 13:19:33 2010. Of course the same applies with greater force to everyday (non-scientific) assertions and denials. For instance a rather low standard of proof (the opinion of twelve people) is sufficient to find someone guilty or not guilty in law.Exactly. And this is very true, and it's a important weakness in our legal system, especially in capital cases. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 2 13:46:29 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 14:50:40 2010. Excellent post. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Dec 2 14:06:46 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 13:45:49 2010. No, it's only not the Catholics that are guilty, but the Catholics are the biggest dogs in the yard, so... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 14:11:28 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Thu Dec 2 14:06:46 2010. And it's more than offset by all the Catholic charity.Your argument is weak anyway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 14:16:08 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Thu Dec 2 11:45:30 2010. Good post. |
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Burden of proof (Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach) |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Thu Dec 2 14:18:42 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 12:55:24 2010. >>>> Example of a proven negative: there is no rational number whose value is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter.That is proven by disproving the positive, Yes, that's one method of proving non-existence. The proof starts by assuming that π is a rational number, which eventually leads to a contradiction (the method of proof by contradiction, a case of reductio ad absurdum). An easier example is the proof that there is no rational number whose square is two, which uses the same method. See here and here. At least in mathematics, both methods of proof are commonly used. Euclid used reductio ad absurdum. If proof of non-existence by reductio ad absurdum were not allowed, large bodies of mathematics would have to be abandoned. Likewise the claim to be assessed has to be "there is a God", It seems to me that either you can try to prove or disprove the claim that there is a God, or you can try to prove or disprove that there is no God. Any one of those four approaches, if applied correctly, would be logically sound. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Dec 2 14:33:43 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 2 11:35:16 2010. Um, been living under a rock????? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Dec 2 14:35:03 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 11:52:41 2010. Would you object to this ad if it showed two hot lesbians kissing?Of course I would object. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 2 14:36:33 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 11:52:41 2010. The ad is not offensive to me. I just find it provocative, not helpful. PDA's are one thing, "I love my boo" is annoying no matter what sex the couple is. |
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Posted by f179dj on Thu Dec 2 14:38:29 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 12:20:21 2010. Good old Liddell & Scott; and not the abridbged or junior editions, I trust. Skip the last comment; I just checked. Damn that tome must weigh 10-20 pounds. I used the smaller edition to get through Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, and the others; had a Homeric dictionary for --duh--Homer, lol. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Dec 2 14:45:59 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 14:11:28 2010. Really? Have you seen the Vatican lately?? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Dec 2 15:53:01 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 11:52:41 2010. "Would you object to this ad if it showed two hot lesbians kissing?"They don't have to be lesbians. Two straight women kissing is good too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 2 20:37:43 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 06:09:01 2010. There's data for those areas as well. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 2 20:41:55 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 13:45:49 2010. I never said only Catholics were guilty. Geez.The reason I mentioned Catholics is that their officials are most prominently known for expensive clothes. Hasidic Jews also have expensive hats, but not everyone knows that so it wouldn't be as good of an example. If the High Holy Days tickets have high prices and people are still paying, then that's good old fashioned capitalism |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:00:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:44:16 2010. Stop praying, it's all pointless!There are Christians who take that stance too. Once again, let's quote Bishop Spong: 1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:04:33 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 19:00:09 2010. Oh please. There are brothels in every country on earth. And there is nothing wrong with sex per se. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:11:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 13:05:12 2010. I don't think the Bible, the Old Testament in particular, is a good source of moral guidance for a modern society.You sound as if you have actually read the Bible. But here is a list of Biblical injustice for the benefit of those who have not. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:12:39 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 1 12:46:29 2010. Where's the motivation to remain moral if there's no reason to do so?I don't really see the morality of admitting that one would behave like a scoundrel if it weren't for your religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 2 21:12:56 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 2 11:12:51 2010. I agree. As I mentioned elsewhere, that is THE MOST AWESOME AD EVER!!! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:13:32 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 06:09:01 2010. cities' characters do depend a lot on their hinterland. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:19:23 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 2 11:12:51 2010. That doesn't have the seasonal relevance though. And they can put up more than one advert a year. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 21:21:28 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 2 12:25:24 2010. Discriminatory towards white gay males perhaps? After all, you aren't allowed to have ads with just white people anymore, as that is discriminatory, so I would assume this would be discriminatory too? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 21:22:28 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 2 12:56:20 2010. I don't care about the ads, but "Boo" is incredibly annoying |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 21:23:42 2010, in response to Re: Gay Ads On Subway Trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 2 12:54:40 2010. White people are much more accepting of gay males than the Black or Latino community are. |
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Re: Burden of Proof (Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach) |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:30:25 2010, in response to Re: Burden of Proof (Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach), posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 21:31:33 2010. and not give credence to propositions solely because they have not been disproved (especially if they are unfalsifiable, that is, cannot be in principle disproved -- like God).But even then there are two levels of unfalsifiability. For instance: 1) the claim that there is a plesiosaur living in Loch Ness; 2) the claim that there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent supreme being that created the universe existing outside space-time. In the first case, it is at least possible (albeit very unlikely) that someone could go to Loch Ness, find a plesiosaur, and study and document its habitat. In the second case, there isn't even a vague hope of anyone being able to provide any sort of reliable a posteriori evidence. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 21:32:57 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 15:07:17 2010. If all the money spent on churches and expensive vestments for clergy (I'm look at you Catholics!) were spent on more useful things.If you think Catholics are "bad", just look at Greek or Russian Orthodox.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 21:33:31 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Thu Dec 2 14:45:59 2010. What does that have to do with Catholic Charity? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 21:35:10 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 2 20:37:43 2010. Yes there is...but the position he has is flawed. That "Red states have more crime". Some of the reddest states have some of the bluest liberal high crime cities within them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 2 21:37:19 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Dec 2 21:13:32 2010. Yes, but the point is that the high crime cities (blue) within red states will throw the red state's crime rate way up. That is not to say that all the crime in "red states" takes place in the cities, that's absurd, but the high crime blue cities are a part of the "red state's" crime rate.New Orleans, Atlanta, etc are VERY blue states, and very high crime for example, and both are in "red states". |
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