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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:13:43 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 10:11:26 2012. Then why is that whenever his Muslim heritage is brought up, leftists go nuts, as has been seen right here in this thread as one example. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:14:18 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 10:09:33 2012. No where did I say that? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 10:14:58 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:10:00 2012. "No, it's the left, as mentioned, that goes nuts whenever "Muslim" is put in the same sentence as Obama in reference to his heritage."Because it's wrong. Someone attending a school in Indonesia does not make a person Muslim. Just like when Jews and Protestants send their kids to parochial school, does that make them Catholic? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 10:15:33 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:14:18 2012. yup, we are paying for the corporations mismanagement thanks to Obama.You was being sarcastic then i guess with that statement? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 10:15:59 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 10:13:31 2012. HHHmmm i see ok then.. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:16:19 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 10:15:33 2012. I am talking about the bail out. I didn't agree with the government pumping taxpayer money into such. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:17:19 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 10:14:58 2012. It's not wrong. His father was Muslim, and originally, he was to be raised Muslim. That changed. What's the big deal that he has Muslim Roots. You have a problem with Muslims? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Aug 9 10:18:29 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:16:19 2012. Ah ok understood.. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:18:59 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 10:13:31 2012. Huh? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 10:23:37 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:17:19 2012. Ask Luch, he refers to it as a problem aka "Barry's 3M Problem".Luch sees it as a problem somehow. I don't nor does AlM. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 10:33:14 2012, in response to Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Aug 8 22:30:25 2012. What are you, a bigot? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 9 10:33:40 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:16:19 2012. All the bailouts began with bush. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:41:12 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 9 10:33:40 2012. Yes I know? The point? I didn't agree with them either. Unlike you, I don't rally behind any particular party and cheer no matter what one does. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:42:05 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:41:12 2012. ....and for the record, why is it an "Obama" accomplishment when it started under Bush as you pointed out. Can't have it both ways. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 10:49:49 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:42:05 2012. There were bailouts begun under Bush and ones begun under Obama. Some supported them when Bush granted them but didn't when Obama loaned them.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 10:51:56 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 8 22:49:20 2012. Not only is Romney selling Obamacare in OH, he's also pushing Israel's national health system |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 9 10:53:00 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:42:05 2012. The bailout started by bush happened because of outside pressure to do something. The Democratic Congress pushed. His bunch really didn't want to do it. I doubt Willard would have done it. Cheney hasn't spoken (so it seems) to him since.....when you hear talk about how he went "soft" in the second term things like this are what he means.Like it or not, it may have saved us all from a much worse collapse than what happened. Which is much worse than anyone wants to admit, and is why we're still digging out from it. But we're getting there. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 10:56:01 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Aug 8 22:53:15 2012. Even started calling it "Obamacare"!I always called it that because knowing that it will become a sacred cow in 2014, I will always want it to be synonymous with the best President of the last 60 years so that decades from now Republicans will NEVER be able to say that they really were for it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 9 10:57:53 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 8 22:48:50 2012.  |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 11:01:08 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 10:51:56 2012. That's because it includes the patented Roof Ride Therapy.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 11:04:02 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 8 23:38:14 2012. Blue state liberals hate living around blacks and Latinos.I don't. I embrace diversity. It's who I am, what I am and what I've always been and will be. I feel sorry for people who don't live in places like Astoria. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 11:08:11 2012, in response to Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Aug 8 22:30:25 2012. His biggest problem is that he is being rightly identified as a Disloyal American. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 11:13:56 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 8 23:54:07 2012. You would apply this only to a Republican.No Catholic priest has ever run as a Republican. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 11:17:12 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 9 00:01:00 2012. ahhhh....."Hollywood".Notice that in conservaspeak, "Hollywood" never means Reagan or Schwarzenegger. I wonder what it could possibly mean? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 11:24:02 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 8 23:34:25 2012. As to the security leaks, I don't think so.
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 11:36:52 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:17:19 2012. Correction: His biological father, Barack Obama, Sr was not a Muslim...his stepdad is a Muslim. That does not make Obama and there is no real proof that his mom had any intent to convert the child to the Muslim religion. And...no..I dont have any issues with Muslim, I have alot of issues with PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO GO AND DISTORT the TRUTH. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 9 11:37:51 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:09:29 2012. False or totally unsubstantiated statements can be perceived as malevolent even if there would be no harm if they were true. It was equally unreasonable when people were claiming that Obama never dated anyone while in college*, even though that wouldn't have been a meaningful issue either.* People made posts here along the lines of "Why does no one admit to having dated Obama?" and I objected to those also. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 11:49:44 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:08:30 2012. "Yup, we are paying for the corporations mismanagement thanks to Obama."So which is better? us paying for "job insurance" vs total bankrupcy and the lose of jobs? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:02:10 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 10:49:49 2012. Okay, but what does that have to do with me and my comments? I didn't support it then, and didn't after. It's the blanket statements I am attacking. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:05:36 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 9 10:53:00 2012. The bailout started by bush happened because of outside pressure to do something. The Democratic Congress pushed. His bunch really didn't want to do it.Utter, biased speculation, and coming from you it is about as meaning full as a used condom thrown out with the morning's kitchen garbage. I doubt Willard would have done it. Also complete speculation. And since we know and it has been proven time and again that you make up BS and push it as fact (such as nonsensical removable paint, and just about everything you post), nothing you post can be taken all that seriously in regards to factual information. Like it or not, it may have saved us all from a much worse collapse than what happened. About as relevant as someone saying Obama slowed the whole recovery down. And again, coming from you has no credibility, so.... |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 12:05:56 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:02:10 2012. ....and for the record, why is it an "Obama" accomplishment when it started under Bush as you pointed out. Can't have it both ways.Sounded like you forgot. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:06:34 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 11:04:02 2012. Yes, tell that to the Ultra Liberal Democratic Elite of the Upper West Side. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:13:12 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 11:36:52 2012. NO, Barack Obama Sr was a Muslim. His father converted from Roman Catholism to Islam, at which time he took on the Hussein name. You have a PROBLEM with that? Why are you trying to distort the facts?????It's people like you that get very defensive when "Muslim" is mentioned, you must have a terrible prejudice towards them, as you go apeshit when anything is mentioned with regard to Obama and his Muslim heritage. His Stepfather was also a Muslim, as mentioned. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:15:50 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 9 11:49:44 2012. I don't know....ask Bush, he started the bail outs. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 9 12:15:51 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 10:10:00 2012. What if your boss never said anything disparaging about gays, but when he introduced you to a new employee said, "By the way, Chris is gay."Wouldn't you be highly offended even if it wasn't a disparagement? Just because it was false? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:17:47 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 12:05:56 2012. How? When have I ever praised Bush? When did I ever say I was a Bush Supporter? The most have ever said is that he isn't Satan the leftists make him out to be, but never defended him. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 12:21:40 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:17:47 2012. I dunno where you get that meaning but it sounded like you were taking issue with giving Obama credit for something Bush did when in fact they both deserve credit as there were 2 bailout procedures performed. Or they both deserve blame if you don't like the bailout idea.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:22:59 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 9 12:15:51 2012. Huh? Why are you attacking gays in an irrelevant post?Second, Obama's father and grandfather were both Muslim. Even if "gay" was hereditary or even if you could become gay if your father or grandfather was gay (both of which is not possible), I still don't get the parallel, as neither my father, nor grandfather were gay, nor were they ever associated with "being gay", nor was I in any association with "gay" (Obama went to a Muslim School, and grandfather, both and stepfather were Muslims). Your analogy makes no sense. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:24:40 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 12:21:40 2012. It wasn't I not giving "Bush" credit. Attack the poster that said all these things were done "thanks" to Obama. I didn't see a similar post by you attacking what he said. Seems like you only attack people who aren't leftists. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 12:27:08 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:22:59 2012. It does make sense. If someone introduced you as Muslim would you say "I'm not Muslim?" Or would you just pedal through it and not worry if someone thought you were a Muslim? Same with gay, catholic or anything that wouldn't be true about you.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 12:29:23 2012, in response to Re: Mitt's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:24:40 2012. You're making more of this than it really is. My post was directed at the board mostly and just happened to be replied to your post.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 12:38:43 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:13:12 2012. NO, Barack Obama Sr was a MuslimBarack Sr was an agnostic/atheist. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 12:40:37 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:22:59 2012. Religion is hereditary to you?Your analogy makes no sense. Read your post. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 9 12:45:30 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 12:22:59 2012. I used gays as an analogy because there is no more evidence that Obama was a Muslim than that you are gay.OK, suppose your boss said, Chris is a Baptist? Again, wouldn't you really be annoyed? Not because it was negative but because it was false. Remember, I'm addressing YOUR comment that Obama supporters get upset about this. The reason is that it's false, not that it's pejorative. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 13:13:39 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by Fred G on Thu Aug 9 12:27:08 2012. It's not when someone says, "He's a Muslim". Anyone even mentions his Muslim Roots. The comparison is completely irrelevant, as people don't have "gay roots". If there's no connection even given to someone in reference to "being gay", there would be absolutely no reason someone would introduce someone as "gay".As for "being catholic", if my father was Catholic, and I went to Catholic school, perhaps there would be a connection for someone bringing up my "Catholic" roots, and there would be no reason to get so defensive when someone says so....and can just say, but I am now "Methodist" or whatever. Why get so defensive? |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 13:17:52 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 9 12:45:30 2012. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent describing the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 9 13:19:40 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 13:13:39 2012. So you would not be annoyed if someone introduced you as a Baptist? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 9 13:20:08 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by mr mabstoa on Thu Aug 9 13:17:52 2012. What's your point? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 13:24:00 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 12:38:43 2012. Jacobs (2011), p. 25: Like all of Onyango's children and many of his grandchildren, Hawa Aumu was raised as a Muslim., p. 26: Her brother Baraka, as she [Hawa Auma] recalls, converted to Christianity when he was about six years old and changed his name to the more Christian-sounding Barack because the Christian missionaries at the early schools that he attended insisted that he do so. http://books.google.com/books?id=EHw1Jy4ZvcYC&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=EHw1Jy4ZvcYC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 9 13:25:37 2012, in response to Re: Barry's 3M Problem, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 9 12:40:37 2012. No. It's a choice though, unlike "being gay".If my parents were "Catholic", and I went to Catholic school, I have some sort of connection that it would be relevant. How can you give the same relevance to someone "being gay"? |
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