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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 17:12:54 2012 Let's see how this all works out. It can't help reduce the number of shootings in NYC.link here |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 17:50:36 2012, in response to NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 17:12:54 2012. Great news! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 18:00:02 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 17:50:36 2012. Great news!Thanks for proving my point. Indeed |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 4 18:00:55 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 17:50:36 2012. Why, are you a murderer? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 18:43:41 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 4 18:00:55 2012. The Fourth Amendment is a personal favorite. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Aug 4 18:52:09 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 18:43:41 2012. The Fourth Amendment is a personal favorite.The sad part is that stop and frisk is probably the best tool to use to prevent murders as it's basically the easiest way of searching for illegal guns. In effect, knowing that the cops are going to harass the shit out of you in order to look for guns is probably the best way to scare sensible young men out of having one in the first place. Otherwise, there isn't much that we can do to prevent young men from running around with guns illegally and then using them like idiots when they get into arguments with each other. Mind you, I'm conflicted about this as I'm in the target demographic to be searched, while having family members who live in the neighbourhoods with high murder rates. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 19:18:43 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 18:43:41 2012. Are dead store owners your favorite too? Just more proof that what I say is true about who the gun laws are meant to protect, and who they're meant to disarm? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 19:22:31 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Aug 4 18:52:09 2012. It's an excellent tool and part of the reason NYC isn't like Chicago, DC, or some other shoot 'em up city.Politicians and community leaders would rather have more shootings and say they have their freedom, than let cops target people who look like they might be trouble. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 19:37:34 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 19:18:43 2012. I strongly support encouraging law-abiding behavior and punishing those that don't obey the law. |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat Aug 4 21:09:51 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 19:22:31 2012. NYC will have more shootings and murders by next year at this time. Bloomberg and Kelly have given up. Welcome back to the 1970s and 80s! The tragic joke will be on the libs in places like Williamsburg, Park Slope and Fort Greene whose neighborhoods will be swarmed by armed criminals from nearby ghetto sections.[*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*] http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/crime_way_up_after_stop_frisk_drop_QT0eIUd3YD6lp9Y4vCYf4I Crime way up after stop-&-frisk drop By REBECCA HARSHBARGER and DAVID SEIFMAN August 4, 2012 Major crimes spiked by more than 12 percent after the number of stop-and-frisks conducted by the NYPD dropped dramatically earlier this year, The Post has learned. Figures show there were 24,751 major crimes committed between Jan. 1 and March 31, a period when cops stopped 203,500 individuals and recovered 881 guns, according to sources. In the following three months — between April 1 and June 30 — the number of stop-and-frisks cops conducted fell to 133,934 and the crime figures shot up to 27,832. The number of guns seized fell to 732. There was no further analysis of the crime data immediately available. But on the face of it, the statistics seem to provide the NYPD with evidence that — at least in this one period — more stop-and-frisks resulted in fewer crimes and more gun seizures. The relationship between the latest stop-and-frisk numbers and crime statistics could provide critical ammunition in the battle over the policing tactic, which has come under fire from activists like the New York Civil Liberties Union and a chorus of elected officials. Mayor Bloomberg has steadfastly defended the program as a life-saver and slammed the NYCLU for pushing to dismantle it. “If the NYCLU is allowed to determine policing strategies in our city, many more children will grow up fatherless and many more children will not grow up at all,” he said last month at a Queens church. “Let’s be clear. The NYCLU’s priority is not protecting our safety, it is protecting their ideology. And in that regard, they are no better than the NRA.” Unrelenting critics of the controversial practice kept piling it on yesterday, even after Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirmed that 34 percent fewer people were stopped in the latest period measured. “It is encouraging to see the numbers begin to come back to Earth,” declared Public Advocate Bill de Blasio. “But we need to look beyond this one statistic to know if City Hall has truly heeded the voice of communities across the five boroughs. Reform does not end here.” The message was virtually the same from the NYCLU, which called the latest stop-and-frisk numbers “encouraging” before unleashing another attack. “If past is prologue, we can expect that NYPD officers subjected at least 1,000 innocent New Yorkers a day to humiliating and unjustified street stops,” said NYCLU executive director Donna Lieberman. “That is nothing to brag about. This reduction is a good start, but much more needs to be done to rebuild community trust.” Critics had been demanding that the NYPD bring down the numbers, which is just what it did in rather dramatic fashion. If the lower pace achieved from April to June continues through the remainder of the year, it will be only the second time during the Bloomberg administration that year-to-year figures would show a decline. The last time that happened was in 2007, when there were 472,096 stop-and-frisks, compared to 506,491 in 2006. About half of those stopped get patted down. Kelly attributed the latest reduction to two developments first spotlighted by The Post: restoring about half the 2,000 rookie cops to precincts who had flooded high-crime neighborhoods early in the year and new training. “We are now training more specialized units in a more focused way of conducting stop and questions and sometimes frisk practices,” he said. “We are hopeful that the training is improving the quality of stops.” NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc. nypost.com , nypostonline.com , and newyorkpost.com are trademarks of NYP Holdings, Inc. Copyright 2011 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 21:17:29 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by vfrt on Sat Aug 4 21:09:51 2012. We don't have stop and frisk and our crime has been dropping still. Maybe the NYPD should come to LA for police training? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:18:53 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by vfrt on Sat Aug 4 21:09:51 2012. It was once said that a liberal is a conservative that's never been mugged. Sadly you are correct but big ships turn very slowly and once this one veers off to the left, it'll take a long time to get it back on course. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 21:23:10 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 21:17:29 2012. they need not come here at all |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:24:15 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 21:17:29 2012. Well just as a matter of fact, in 2008, the murder rate in LA was 9.6 per 100,000 population. It's dropped .8% since then. In NY in 2007, the murder rate was 6.3 per 100,000 and has dropped every year since. So perhaps in LA had adopted the NY method of "Stop & Frisk", LA might be as safe as New York. Just a thought. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 21:27:15 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:24:15 2012. We started later than NYC because Bill Bratton was there first. We're lagging NYC by just a few years, but I feel safer in LA than ever. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:27:39 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 21:23:10 2012. NYPD has said the same thing about you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:29:23 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 21:27:15 2012. Well, considering that in NYC last year, more than 5,000 illegal weapons were confiscated, I prefer that they continue to stop and frisk - even if they stop and frisk me now and then. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 21:31:40 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:27:39 2012. and what did they say ? explain ....... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:32:27 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 21:31:40 2012. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 21:34:37 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:32:27 2012. sure they did |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:36:06 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 21:34:37 2012. They did say that they are on the lookout for a tall brunette with phoney press credentials and a safety vest. There aren't many here who fit that description. |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat Aug 4 21:44:50 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:18:53 2012. We can all be smart-asses here, myself included, but another Dinkins-like crime wave will finish off NYC as a city and as a business center. We will show the rest of the country that the natural state of cities is mayhem and violence. The damage will be irreparable this time.It will start with car break-ins and nighttime armed robberies. Then shootings will increase, followed by an increase in daylight armed robberies and burglaries. Subway crime will also increase. That's what happened in the Dinkins era. Except that there is no crime-fighter like Giuliani in the 2013 mayoral race this time. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 21:46:51 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by vfrt on Sat Aug 4 21:44:50 2012. Pity nobody wants to pay taxes to put more cops out there. That's how Dinkins fixed the problem. Clinton got him the money to do it, Giuliani took the credit. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 21:50:43 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by vfrt on Sat Aug 4 21:44:50 2012. There was no Dinkins crime wave. NYC was dealing with the same problems as every major city back in the 90's. DC, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, etc were all terrible in the 90's. Crime has gone down nearly everywhere since then, with Chicago being an obvious exception. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:52:38 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 21:46:51 2012. That's right. Yankel Rosenbaum's family had high praise for how Davey handled crime |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 21:55:07 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 21:17:29 2012. who is "we"?are you going by county or city? |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Aug 4 21:56:54 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:36:06 2012. There might have been a report generated when the "great cab scandal" at 149 st occurred! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:59:00 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Aug 4 21:56:54 2012. Maybe |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 21:59:26 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:36:06 2012. ?? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:00:06 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 21:55:07 2012. Both I guess. Where I live we have the LA Sheriff, but we border the LAPD on the south and west. The areas patrolled by both police forces have had drastic drops in crime over the last decade. I think that a huge part of it is that gangs have been disappearing. LA city and the communities that surround it probably only have 30% of the gang members that we had back in the 90's and even lots of them are in their 30's and 40's now. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 22:02:17 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:59:00 2012. ? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:02:21 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:52:38 2012. And maybe he'd still be alive if it weren't for all the budget cuts caused by the previous Bush. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:09:57 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:02:21 2012. Yes I'm quite sure that the democrats in the city and in Albany had nothing to do with it. Tell your story walking. It's getting boring here. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:15:52 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:09:57 2012. Yep ... just rolling in money. You remember things vividly, don'tcha ...For anyone who actually CARES about truth (you excluded) there's plenty of proff: http://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+state+budget+cuts+1990%27s&hl=en&biw=1440&bih=736&sa=X&ei=09YdUJTNKMie6gHvpIHoAg&ved=0CAkQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1990%2Ccd_max%3A1992&tbm= Once again, republicans killed Rosenbaum. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 22:16:52 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Aug 4 21:56:54 2012. ?? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:19:44 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:15:52 2012. No actually it was Lemrick Nelson who killed Yankel Rosenbaum. Actually after he was acquitted by a Dinkins NY jury he was convicted by a federal court. HOWEVER - in between, dinkins partied with the nelson family in celebration when lemrick was acquitted. Once again the democrats find a Jewish scholar to be expendable. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:21:01 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:19:44 2012. At least he was convicted. Soon Ja Du only got probation. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Aug 4 22:21:38 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 21:29:23 2012. I prefer that they continue to stop and frisk - even if they stop and frisk me now and then.Admittedly, that's the problem as the vast majority of people who are stopped and frisked tend to look more like Easy and less like you. So to you, it's a minor inconvenience, but to somebody who lives within those neighbourhoods and has been frisked multiple times, or knows people who has been frisked, it comes across as a perverse personal insult even if the cops are relatively polite about the process. It will always been seen as a racial issue, and never has a safety and crime prevention issue from the perspective of those most likely to be frisked. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:21:44 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:21:01 2012. hoo doo what? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:24:12 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:15:52 2012. by the way - not to put too fine a point on it but your assumption is bullshit. The crown heights riots did not happen because of a lack of funds. There was not a lack of police presence at the riots because of a lack of police funds. The police were told not to take any action - order given tot he police commissioner by out then Law & Order mayor, David dinkins. So you can stop your bullshit once again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:26:37 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Aug 4 22:21:38 2012. And if I lived "within those neighborhoods" I'd want the police to exercise due diligence in helping to keep me and my family safe. Stop thinking as a group and start thinking as an individual and there is no insult. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 22:28:46 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:00:06 2012. i think part of it is the gangs have moved into other counties and not been replaced.either way, in NYC, less stop-and-frisk will mean more shootings in that city. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:36:13 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 22:28:46 2012. In some cases the gang members may have moved, but in other places the demographics are very similar and gang violence is way down. Admittedly the downturn has coincided with a significant decrease in black population in Watts, Compton, and South LA and in general the most violent areas of the city remain those with the highest black populations. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:37:12 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:19:44 2012. Very sad indeed. Had to hit wiki to check it out again since it's been so many years now.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot I'll have to take your word about the "party" ... after all, only you are allowed to make sweeping statements without any proof. There was plenty of other violence in the city at the time as well, but this one was far beyond the others. Glad Rudy fixed everything. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 4 22:37:23 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:36:13 2012. i can't understand how someone could say they want to see the crime stop in the black community then say they are against stop-n-frisk. it's contradictory. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:39:41 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:24:12 2012. There weren't enough cops throughout the city BECAUSE of lack of funds. Stop trying to distort everything to suit your politics. And in that link I just posted, there was an explanation of WHY Dinkins did NOT refuse to send police, he was telling them to try their best not to escalate things further:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot So show us that party you were talking about. Were there dancers? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:42:08 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:21:44 2012. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 22:43:04 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 4 22:21:01 2012. thats all and for murder |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 4 22:47:37 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Aug 4 21:56:54 2012. what great cab scandal? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 4 22:53:59 2012, in response to Re: NYPD Stop-and-Frisk plummets, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 4 22:37:12 2012. You are free to believe or not believe. I've made the statement before and no one has ever proven me wrong. Perhaps I have specific knowledge that you don't. |
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