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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 09:40:02 2012, in response to Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 09:22:13 2012. 168. Not to castrate any male (including animals)--Leviticus 22:24You can't have your cat or dog fixed??????? |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Jul 17 09:48:15 2012, in response to Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 09:22:13 2012. now you tell me.... |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 09:49:40 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 09:40:02 2012. Not the males. If you were a dog or cat, wouldn't you consider that a mitzvah? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 09:54:33 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 09:40:02 2012. You can't have your cat or dog fixed???????Yes you can. The law only applies to bulls and lambs being offered as sacrifices. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 10:06:33 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 09:54:33 2012. Not correct. It also applies to male dogs and cats. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 10:17:35 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 10:06:33 2012. Not correct. It also applies to male dogs and cats.D'rabbanan, not al pi halakha. It also doesn't apply if you get the pet already neutered or if your vet isn't Jewish. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 17 10:24:01 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 09:40:02 2012. Well, there goes Obamacare which gives free sterilizations to anyone including teens! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:29:08 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 09:49:40 2012. Have you ever tried to live with a male cat that wasn't fixed? Not very good smelling. They spray to mark territory when they aren't fixed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:32:17 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 09:54:33 2012. Oh okay....it said "Not to castrate any male (including animals)--Leviticus 22:24", so that would make it sound like cats and dogs too.I guess this makes steer meat un-kosher, lol..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:34:18 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 10:17:35 2012. Okay, so if you own a cat and want it fixed, if you bring it to a non-Jewish vet it would be okay? There's no way someone can have an unfixed male cat in the house. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:36:13 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 17 10:24:01 2012. Well sterilizations aren't castrating, but that said, that opens up a question. Can Jewish people get vasectomies? That's not castrating obviously and everything works the same afterwards except no sperm in the semen.Catholic males aren't supposed to get vasectomies. Not that they don't of course. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 10:37:46 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:29:08 2012. Cats are not my type. Big time. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 10:38:47 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:32:17 2012. That would be a bum steer, indeed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:38:48 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 10:37:46 2012. A ball-less cat won't spray anymore, lol..... |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 10:39:52 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:34:18 2012. I think the answer is for the cat not to be broken in the first place. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:43:15 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 10:39:52 2012. Again, it's just about impossible to have an intact male cat in the house. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 10:44:18 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:43:15 2012. Add a rottweiler. The cat won't be intact long. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:45:40 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 10:44:18 2012. Don't be so sure.....some cats can certainly control/handle a dog, lol.... |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 17 10:48:50 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:45:40 2012. I give a cat 3 to 5 points over a dog in a fight. Those claws and that nose...yelp!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 11:02:03 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:32:17 2012. I guess this makes steer meat un-kosherSome hold that it isn't kosher, some hold that it is as long as a non-Jew performs the castration. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 11:03:44 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:36:13 2012. Can Jewish people get vasectomies?No |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 11:03:54 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 11:02:03 2012. as long as a non-Jew performs the castrationThat sounds hypocritical. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 11:25:52 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 10:17:35 2012. Has anyone bothered looking at an authoritative source?Halachic Perspectives on Pets Rabbi Howard Jachter Member, Yeshiva University Kollel Lehoraah (Yadin-Yadin); Associate Rabbi, Congregation Beth Judah, Brooklyn, N.Y. Journal of Halacha & Contemporary Society - No. XXIII, Spring, 1992, Pesach 5752 III. Removal of Reproductive Organs Halacha forbids removal of reproductive organs from humans or animal, whether male or female (though debate exists regarding whether removal from females constitutes a biblical or rabbinic prohibition). The Talmud (Sanhedrin 56b) records a dispute whether the Torah forbids non-Jews to remove reproductive organs (even from animals not owned by a Jew), and Rishonim differ regarding which opinion is accepted as normative. Beit Shmuel (Even Haezer 5:16) rules that this controversy has not been resolved and when rendering halachic decisions a rabbinic decisor must consider the position that non-Jews are forbidden to remove reproductive organs. On the other hand, Aruch Hashulchan (Even Haezer 5:26) rules in accordance with what he perceives as the majority opinion, that non-Jews are not commanded concerning this prohibition. A difference between the two opinions is whether we are forbidden on a biblical or rabbinic level to instruct a non-Jew to remove the reproductive organs of an animal (see Shulchan Aruch, Even Haezer 5:14 and comments of Chelkat Mechokeik and Beit Shmuel thereupon). If non-Jews are included in this command, then instructing a non-Jew to remove reproductive organs would be a biblical violation of "do not put a stumbling block in front of the blind' (Leviticus 19:14) which prohibits enabling and encouraging others to sin.32 On the other hand, if non-Jews are not included in this commandment, then the prohibition involved in instructing a non-Jew to remove reproductive organs is the general rabbinic prohibition which forbids a Jew to instruct a non-Jew to perform an act forbidden by the Torah on behalf of a Jew. A practical difference between these two opinions is whether one may instruct a non-Jewish veterinarian to remove an animal's reproductive organs in order to alleviate the animal's suffering due to sickness. Whereas one may not violate a biblical prohibition to alleviate an animal's suffering, it would appear that one may violate the rabbinic prohibition to ask a non-Jew to do what a Jew may not do in order to alleviate suffering. Since Beit Shmuel, considered to be one of the most authoritative commentaries on the Even Haezer section of Shulchan Aruch, rules that one must consider the opinion which asserts that non-Jews are forbidden to remove reproductive organs, one should not ask a non-Jew to remove an animal's reproductive organs even to alleviate suffering. Nevertheless, there are a number of possible solutions to this problem. Some of the most prominent halachic authorities of the nineteenth century record (with varying degrees of approval) a common practice among observant Jews who owned animals for commercial purposes. This involved selling an animal to a non-Jew and instructing this non-Jew to ask another non-Jew to spay the animal. The purpose of this procedure is to create a situation of "aiding an aider" (lifnei delifnei iver) - encouraging one person to encourage another to violate a Torah law - which is not a violation of "do not put a stumbling block in front of the blind." It also creates a situation of "amira leamira leakum" - instructing a non-Jew to instruct another non-Jew to perform an act a Jew may not do - which many authorities believe to be permissible. In addition, by transferring title of the animal to a non-Jew, one avoids the rabbinic penalty which requires one who has had his animal's reproductive organs removed to sell the creature. Although many contemporary halachic authorities believe it inappropriate to utilize this procedure with household pets for purposes of convenience (e.g. to eliminate unwanted litters or to prevent the animal from trying to leave the house), it is quite possible that one may do so if it is necessary to alleviate an animal's suffering due to sickness. Aruch Hashulchan would very likely agree with this conclusion since he rules that non-Jews are not forbidden to remove reproductive organs. Beit Shmuel might also agree since in using this procedure one may avoid violating "do not put a stumbling block in front of the blind." In addition, there is greater room for leniency when a female pet is involved since many authorities believe neutering a female to be a rabbinic prohibition, and a minority opinion (Taz, Even Haezer 5:6) believes that one is permitted to neuter a female animal if the procedure is performed for the creature's benefit. A different solution to this problem has been offered by Rabbi I. Y. Unterman (Otzar Haposkim I, pp. 164-165). He describes a procedure of neutering which he believes constitutes only a rabbinic prohibition since it does not involve direct removal of reproductive organs. Instead, the blood supply to the testicles is eliminated, the testicles begin to shrivel, and the animal is rendered sterile. Rabbi Unterman asserts that one who performs this procedure violates the prohibition indirectly (grama) which is permitted on a Torah level and forbidden by the rabbis. The authorities who rule that non-Jews are forbidden to neuter animals concede that non-Jews are forbidden only to perform biblically forbidden acts of neutering. Non-Jews are not required to follow rabbinic legislation since, unlike Jews, they are not obligated to adhere to rabbinic rulings. According to this approach, one does not violate the prohibition of enabling another to sin if one instructs a non-Jew to perform this procedure. In addition, Rabbi Unterman writes that the prohibition to instruct a non-Jew to perform an act forbidden to a Jew does not apply to rabbinic prohibitions (other than the rabbinic prohibitions associated with the observance of Shabbat). Therefore, he rules that one may instruct a non-Jew to neuter an animal in this indirect manner. However, Rabbi Unterman cautions against implementing his opinion until eminent halachic authorities concur with this ruling. Hence, competent halachic guidance must be sought regarding whether one may follow this ruling. The best solution to this problem seems to be the use of one of the many newly developed (though still experimental) alternatives to castration and ovariohysterectomy which do not involve removal (direct or indirect) of reproductive organs. There appears to be no halachic opposition to these methods since the animals are only rendered infertile. The prohibition of "sirus" appear to apply only to the removal of reproductive organs and not to causing the animal to become infertile. One must consult a competent halachic authority to ascertain the permissibility of any of these procedures. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 11:27:57 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 10:36:13 2012. Jews are allowed to have a vasectomy if medically required to save a life or cure an illness (assuming no other cure will work). Otherwise, no. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 11:46:52 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 11:25:52 2012. An authoritative source? You mean SubChat ISN'T an authoritative source?Seriously, thanks for taking the trouble. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 11:53:38 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 11:03:54 2012. That sounds hypocritical.Which is why some hold that it isn't kosher. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 11:55:54 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 11:25:52 2012. Has anyone bothered looking at an authoritative source?Of course. How else do you think I came up with it being d'rabbanan? Has anyone (else) bothered to look at the actual Biblical text cited in the original list? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:07:59 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 17 10:48:50 2012. Most of the cats I know would be the crap out of any dog. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 12:09:25 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 11:55:54 2012. I did, and it appears to apply to sacrificial animals only, though maybe I'm misunderstanding it or reading a poor translation. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 17 12:11:30 2012, in response to Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 09:22:13 2012. nj;dr(not Jewish, didn't read) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:12:20 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 11:27:57 2012. While I can see hysterectomies in women performed all the time to save a woman's life, I don't think I ever heard that a vasectomy in a male would be necessary to save a life. A castration, perhaps in the case of testicular cancer or something, but what life saving measure could be had by cutting the vas defrens from sending sperm into the semen? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:14:15 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 12:09:25 2012. This is an interesting topic, as I never considered that someone couldn't spay their cat or dog.So an informal survey, I know many subchatters have cats or dogs and are Jewish.....so are the male cats spayed? A dog would be less of a necessity to have done than a male cat, which is really necessity if you want it in the house. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:15:16 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 17 12:11:30 2012. Most of the people you aren't supposed to have sex with in this list is common sense....at least to me, lol. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 12:34:03 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 17 12:11:30 2012. You only read the NT? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 17 12:38:28 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 12:34:03 2012. It was a joke. I do not consider myself bound by biblical dogma. I am bound by my wedding oath, which is enough for me. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 17 12:39:34 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 17 12:38:28 2012. Hooray for treating marriage as an important secular institution! |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 17 12:40:23 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 17 12:39:34 2012. +1your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:50:20 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 17 12:39:34 2012. I agree with him. I had it with religious dogma from a book written by a bunch of guys in various states of highness and intoxication from drugs and alcohol in rooms thousands of years ago. Not to mention their mental state at the time of such. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 12:57:42 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:50:20 2012. So you think being told not to sleep with your mom or your sister is the result of too much drugs and alcohol? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 17 13:00:23 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 17 10:24:01 2012. Stop with the act. NOBODY can be as retarded as you pretend to be. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 13:01:09 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 12:57:42 2012. No, that's called common sense. I mean the dogma in general (and that includes all the religions, not picking on any particular one). |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 13:03:41 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 11:55:54 2012. Then why didn't you give attribution to your source? |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 13:06:01 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 13:01:09 2012. It may be common sense to you but was it common sense to people several thousand years ago? |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 13:10:07 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:12:20 2012. I don't know; I'm not a urologist. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 13:18:13 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 13:06:01 2012. It's called codification. There were societies that did have sex with their close relatives. Egyptians ate pork and trichinosis was endemic.If completely secular people would study the Bible and ask about the origins of its teachings, they might learn a lot. They think they can only learn from reading philosophy; well religion IS philosophy. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jul 17 13:19:14 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 17 13:00:23 2012. Do you specialize in handing out straight lines? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 13:57:58 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 12:14:15 2012. ...so are the male cats spayed?No male cat is spayed. Neutered, yes. |
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Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 17 14:01:53 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 17 13:57:58 2012. Good God, you know what I mean. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 17 14:10:25 2012, in response to Re: Who you CAN have sex with; Who you CAN'T have sex with; Who you MUST have sex with, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 17 13:06:01 2012. Yes. It was well known by biblical times that close relatives mating would produced deformed children. I am sure they interpreted this as God disapproving. Same thing with sodomy, because the ease at which STD's can be transmitted via it. |
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