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Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:52:44 2012 Very similar to the firefighters story where they let a house burn, but in this case, a lifeguard did the wrong thing and responded outside his coverage area.story here |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 02:56:06 2012, in response to Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:52:44 2012. This country gets sicker every day. Now what if the rescued man drowned instead? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:59:52 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 02:56:06 2012. The lifeguard was not responsible for that area. He was supposed to patrol a certain area and by leaving it, put his area at risk. Now that lifeguard station will be responsible for all drowning victims outside their coverage area. They bought it.He was supposed to call 911. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:07:43 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 02:56:06 2012. What does "Swim at your own risk" mean to you? |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:08:03 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:59:52 2012. That's a pile of stinking bureaucratic BS. But it's the same mentality that results in people crossing the street and avoiding helping someone who is getting beaten up or killed right on the sidewalk. This society is going to pay for embracing that leftist apathy. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:09:25 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:07:43 2012. Doesn't matter. The same bureaucrats that tell you to go "above and beyond" turn around and punish you for it. Heroes get screwed. That's an upside-down society. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:11:56 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:08:03 2012. Did you know you can go to jail for swimming at NYC beaches after 6pm? NYPD will cuff you and take you to jail if you don't get out of the water.It's because of people like this man who nearly drowned, that the next phase will be to simply ban swimming when no guards are on duty. Those who dare enter will go to jail. SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:13:26 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:09:25 2012. This kid is not a hero. He abandoned his post and put lives at risk. He should have called 911 if he knew the incident was outside his coverage area. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:14:54 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:13:26 2012. Bullshit. The man would have drowned and you have the ability to save him; what do you do? There are lots of others that could have called 911, including the man that told the lifeguard what was going on. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:17:48 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:11:56 2012. Exactly. NYC is a pile of leftist nanny-stateism that wants to ban swimming for any excuse.1500 feet outside the "coverage" area? If I were this man's employer, I would have overlooked that. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:18:26 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:14:54 2012. The kid was on duty and responsible for a certain area. The nurse who volunteered did the right thing. The lifeguard should have stayed at his post. That's his job. Covering the neighboring SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK beach is not his job.But don't worry, eventually all beaches will be like NYC where you go to jail for swimming when lifeguards are off duty. That's the only way to settle this shit. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:19:34 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:17:48 2012. Thanks to OP for leaving out the most important bit. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:20:49 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:17:48 2012. The employer can't overlook it. If this lifeguard got hurt or the victim didn't survive, he could cause a world of problems for his employer. He basically made his employer responsible for a portion of beach that has SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK signage. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:24:32 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:20:49 2012. Thank the leftists in Broward. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:24:47 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:19:34 2012. Yes, Broward, lots of Jewish people from Long Island and Italians in the Witness Protection Program.The employer is from Orlando. If the lifeguard is supposed to cover a certain area and left it to cover another beach, he's wrong. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:26:05 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:24:47 2012. Sorry, don't agree. Not going along with leftist "ethics" on this one. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:27:06 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:24:32 2012. SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Eventually they will be like leftists like NYC and start arresting people for swimming when guards are off duty. Then Florida will really be fucked. It will happen. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:29:00 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:26:05 2012. That's because you're a leftist and want to ignore SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK(personal responsibility is said to be a staple of the right) in favor of the collective where one lifeguard is responsible for the entire Atlantic coast. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 5 05:33:29 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:29:00 2012. ROTFLMAO, olag....a leftist? |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 07:43:35 2012, in response to Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:52:44 2012. Lopez said he started the $8.25 an hour job four months ago and had hoped to continue working it when he goes to Broward College in the fall.LOL your pal, Fred |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 5 08:23:23 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 03:09:25 2012. And if someone started to drown for the few minutes on his turf after he left his post while doing the rescue, then what ? They get sued big for negligence. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 08:32:48 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 5 08:23:23 2012. That's why they fire guys who leave their posts like this.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jul 5 08:43:54 2012, in response to Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:52:44 2012. No good deed shall go unpunished.BTW - 7 other lifeguards on that beach either quit or got themselves fired in support of the 1st lifeguard. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 08:55:29 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 5 08:23:23 2012. Way to make sense! |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 5 09:28:21 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 5 08:23:23 2012. This is true! So I understand where the employer is coming from as well, although I think termination really is a bit harsh. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jul 5 09:54:03 2012, in response to Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:52:44 2012. I get the whole liability thing, but this is ridiculous to say that this trained lifeguard should simply call 911 because of a boundary. That person almost certainly would've drowned had the lifeguard followed (the insane) policy.Kudos to the young man for following his basic human instinct. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 10:48:22 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:07:43 2012. When a human being sees another human being dying, I don't give a SHIT what a law of lunacy says, you save that guy. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 10:49:08 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 5 08:23:23 2012. Yeah, so let the other guy die. Great. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 11:09:47 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by WayneJay on Thu Jul 5 09:54:03 2012. I think the problem is more that he would neglect his assigned area to take time to save the guy in the unassigned "swim at your own risk" area.Joe V said it best. What if someone drowned in his assigned area while he was off saving someone else? your pal, Fred |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 11:33:50 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 10:48:22 2012. So you would put yourself at grave risk of death to save the life of another? |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 5 12:11:41 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 11:09:47 2012. Yes, that is a very valid case, but I am glad that this guy went with his basic moral judgement instead of simply worrying about covering his own ass.I think termination was way too excessive, but if I were in his position I'd feel better about helping to save someone's life than to be comfy in my job knowing that I could've saved a life but did not if, heaven forbid, the person didn't make it. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Jul 5 12:13:50 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 10:49:08 2012. Yup, in a country where lawsuits rule, that would be the correct procedure.And people wonder why there are so many people out there that are just flat out apathetic to anyone, especially helping others. The lifeguard made the right choice that he can live with, even if it ended up sacrificing his current position. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jul 5 12:54:08 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 11:09:47 2012. I agree and thought about that too after I had posted. Definitely valid points but I hate to hear of things like this. Of course I think we'd all hate to hear about if the lifeguard hadn't acted and the person drowned and/or if someone in the lifeguard's assigned area was in distress while he was in the unauthorized area. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by busdude2 on Thu Jul 5 13:46:38 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 02:56:06 2012. My brother drowned less than 2 weeks ago. Two men tried to save him but it was too late. This is sick to fire someone for trying to save somebody. Rules, give me a break sometimes rules just get in the way of common sense. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 13:50:07 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 10:48:22 2012. It's lunacy to expect a lifeguard to patrol a defined section of beach and not the entire Atlantic Oceanfront? He put lives at risk by leaving his job and going to a beach he doesn't work at.The person in the water disobeyed signage. He took a big risk going in the water where guards aren't on duty. That's life. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jul 5 13:53:43 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 13:50:07 2012. "That's life. "I hope something like this never happens to you or someone you care about. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 13:53:48 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by busdude2 on Thu Jul 5 13:46:38 2012. Firing him is the right thing to do. Otherwise, these lifeguards will continue to respond to calls outside their coverage area. This puts more lives at risk. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 5 13:55:52 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 5 07:43:35 2012. Yes; life lesson is don't work in a leftist county. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 13:59:45 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Allan on Thu Jul 5 13:53:43 2012. If it did, I would understand. I do swim in Sarasota sometimes. There is a private pool right on the boardwalk by the Gulf. The lifeguards who work there can not leave that pool to save someone drowning at the beach. It's easy to understand. Don't swim where there are no lifeguards. |
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Lifeguard Fired offered his job back |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Jul 5 14:33:12 2012, in response to Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 02:52:44 2012. A Florida lifeguard who was fired after leaving his beach zone to save a drowning man has been offered his job back.Tomas Lopez, 21, who was sacked by employer Jeff Ellis & Associates after his heroics Monday at Hallendale Beach, 18 miles north of Miami, should never have been fired, Jeff Ellis told the Sun-Sentinel Thursday. "I am of the opinion that the supervisors acted hastily, " Ellis said. "It was not the appropriate course of action to take," he said. The fate of nine other lifeguards, who either quit in solidarity or were fired for stating publicly that they would also do as Lopez did, is not clear. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/05/hero-or-legal-liability/#ixzz1zm4nASid Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/05/hero-or-legal-liability/#ixzz1zm4g9TMm |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by busdude2 on Thu Jul 5 14:33:13 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 13:53:48 2012. You would not say that if it was your loved one. You would want anyone to help and you know it. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 14:35:52 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by busdude2 on Thu Jul 5 14:33:13 2012. I would understand the SWIM AT OWN RISK signs and would not assume that a lifeguard employed at another beach or nearby pool is obligated to rescue me. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired offered his job back |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 14:37:31 2012, in response to Lifeguard Fired offered his job back, posted by Dave on Thu Jul 5 14:33:12 2012. Sad to see them give in to the court of public opinion. Now Ellis is responsible for patrolling the entire Florida coast. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 14:48:41 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by busdude2 on Thu Jul 5 14:33:13 2012. Appeal to emotion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 14:52:53 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 14:48:41 2012. Loved one or not, no civil human being should be allowing someone to die when it's in their power to save them |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 14:53:35 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 5 11:33:50 2012. The life guard was not putting his life in grave risk. "Appeal to emotion" on an irrelevant red herring. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 14:54:36 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 13:50:07 2012. He wasn't "patrolling". It was seen someone was in danger of drowning.It's irrelevant if the other guy was doing it "at his own risk". |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 14:56:54 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 03:24:47 2012. Sorry but I don't agree. If there's a fire in Rosedale and the responsible FDNY engine company can't get it under control, would you think the firemen from Valley Stream that respond to assist should be fired or subject to other punitive sanctions? |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 14:56:57 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 14:54:36 2012. The lifeguard has a job at a certain beach paid for by a certain employer. He can't abandon his job and go to another beach to conduct rescue missions. On his own time he can. |
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Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 14:58:00 2012, in response to Re: Lifeguard Fired For Saving Drowning Man有eftist Broward County, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 5 14:56:54 2012. I would understand if Valley Stream did not respond. |
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