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Posted by Dan on Fri Jun 29 11:40:02 2012 fiogf49gjkf0d Good news for cities like NY but I still think that once children are school age a lot of these people will head out to the suburbs. Or if crime increases back to 1970s and 80s levels. ================================================================== Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs Primary cities in large metropolitan areas with populations of more than 1 million grew by 1.1% last year, compared with 0.9% in surrounding suburbs. http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120628/REAL_ESTATE/120629888 By Associated Press Buck Ennis In all, city growth in 2011 surpassed or equaled that of suburbs in roughly 33 of the nation's 51 large metro areas, compared to just five in the last decade. (AP) - For the first time in a century, most of America's largest cities are growing at a faster rate than their surrounding suburbs as young adults seeking a foothold in the weak job market shun home-buying and stay put in bustling urban centers. New 2011 census estimates released Thursday highlight the dramatic switch. Driving the resurgence are young adults, who are delaying careers, marriage and having children amid persistently high unemployment. Burdened with college debt or toiling in temporary, lower-wage positions, they are spurning homeownership in the suburbs for shorter-term, no-strings-attached apartment living, public transit and proximity to potential jobs in larger cities. While economists tend to believe the city boom is temporary, that is not stopping many city planning agencies and apartment developers from seeking to boost their appeal to the sizable demographic of 18-to-29-year olds. They make up roughly one in 6 Americans, and some sociologists are calling them "generation rent." The planners and developers are betting on young Americans' continued interest in urban living, sensing that some longer-term changes such as decreased reliance on cars may be afoot. The last time growth in big cities surpassed that in outlying areas occurred prior to 1920, before the rise of mass-produced automobiles spurred expansion beyond city cores. New Orleans, which saw its population shrivel in the mid-2000s due to Hurricane Katrina, saw the biggest rebound in city growth relative to suburbs in the last year, 3.7% vs. 0.6%. Atlanta, Denver, Washington, D.C., and Charlotte, N.C., also showed wide disparities in city growth compared to suburbs. Other big cities showing faster growth compared to the previous decade include Boston, Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, Minneapolis and Seattle. "I will never live in the suburbs," said Jaclyn King, 28, a project director at a Denver hospital. King, who grew up in the Denver suburb of Littleton and attended Columbine High School, still remembers her parents' 45-minute train commute to the city each day for work. She now rents a Denver house with her fiancée. "I just like being connected to everything down here—concerts, work, restaurants, all of it. This is where everything's at," said Ms. King, who biked 6 miles to her job on a recent morning. Businesses are taking notice. "Companies are really seeking to meet the need of younger people who are choosing to live in cities," said Royal Shepard, an analyst with S&P Capital IQ in New York, who tracks the residential and commercial real estate market. The ratings agency has a "positive fundamental outlook" on residential real estate investment trusts, particularly those with holdings in multifamily apartment buildings, citing in part a demographic shift. "The recession hit suburban markets hard. What we're seeing now is young adults moving out from their parents' homes and starting to find jobs," Mr. Shepard said. "There's a bigger focus on building residences near transportation hubs, such as a train or subway station, because fewer people want to travel by car for an hour and a half for work anymore." Katherine Newman, a sociologist and dean of arts and sciences at Johns Hopkins University who chronicled the financial struggles of young adults in a recent book, said they are emerging as a new generation of renters due to stricter mortgage requirements and mounting college debt. From 2009 to 2011, just 9% of 29- to 34-year-olds were approved for a first-time mortgage. "Young adults simply can't amass the down payments needed and don't have the earnings," she said. "They will be renting for a very long time." The numbers are based largely on an analysis of census estimates as of July 2011 for cities and "primary cities," defined as boundaries of incorporated divisions and closely interrelated adjacent areas, by William H. Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution. They are supplemented with data from the New York Federal Reserve as well as Kenneth Johnson, a sociology professor at the University of New Hampshire. Primary cities in large metropolitan areas with populations of more than 1 million grew by 1.1% last year, compared with 0.9% in surrounding suburbs. While the definitions of city and suburb have changed over the decades, it's the first time that growth of large core cities outpaced that of suburbs since the early 1900s. During the mid-decade housing boom, city growth came close to a standstill as the wide availability of low-interest mortgages pushed new residential development outward. In all, city growth in 2011 surpassed or equaled that of suburbs in roughly 33 of the nation's 51 large metro areas, compared to just five in the last decade. "City growth in recent years clearly has ramped up faster than suburban growth has declined, suggesting an increased attractiveness of cities," Frey said. "The real question is, will cities continue to hold their own when the suburban housing market picks up? Cities that market themselves well to young people and that offer job growth, cultural amenities and access to rapid transit are likely to see continued growth." In Denver, for instance, civic leaders have been actively promoting their city to young, educated professionals ages 25 to 34, touting in brochures the city's "walkable urbanism" including a newly formed Theatre District, pedestrian walkways, high-rise apartments, bicycle lanes and a variety of sidewalk cafes and restaurants. Similar efforts have been under way in other larger cities across the U.S., including Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle and Washington, D.C., seeking to turn excess city asphalt to greenery with new planters, small parks and pedestrian plazas. In recent years, the share of 16 to 39-year-olds with driver's licenses has declined markedly. The suburb also is no longer a refuge from poverty, now surpassing cities in numbers of poor people. Still, some economists aren't so certain "generation rent" will last. They point to practical considerations such as better schools in the suburbs, continued government tax breaks for home ownership and subsidies for travel in rural areas, as well as rapidly rising downtown rents, that are likely to push young adults to the suburbs once they sort out decisions about jobs, kids and finances. Symm Vafeades, 33, isn't so sure. Growing up in Denver, he briefly moved outside the city as an adult to experience suburban life. Before long, though, he was back in town. Mr. Vafeades said he likes being able to stop at his favorite shop for iced coffee and a breakfast burrito on his way to work instead of sitting in traffic. His commute to his job as an architect clocks in at just two miles. "I much prefer living in the city," Mr. Vafeades said. "There's just a lot more you can do without having to drive everywhere." ©Copyright 2012 Associated Press. Entire contents ©2012 Crain Communications Inc.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Fri Jun 29 11:55:53 2012, in response to Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Dan on Fri Jun 29 11:40:02 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d The grass is always greener..... I would say a lot about all this, but i think i can say just one thing. Wait till these people figure out that renting ain't better than owning at all.
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Posted by Fred G* on Fri Jun 29 12:04:42 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jun 29 11:55:53 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Then they can buy a condo in town. your pal, Fred
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Fri Jun 29 12:09:48 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Fred G on Fri Jun 29 12:04:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I would've hoped this is what they are doing, except I saw so many headlines yesterday talking about "generation rent". The only downside is a lot of condos were former apartments. Same paperthin walls, similar crap, but if i owned this place, i probably wouldn't mind it. Although were I live now, i literally have a new crack in the wall everyday. whatta town!
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF* on Fri Jun 29 12:10:06 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jun 29 11:55:53 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d >>>>I would say a lot about all this....<<< Please don't. Here's a thought, do the world a favor and go out and play during a thunderstorm maybe we'll be lucky and you'll get struck by lightening. If not that then kill your self. The world will be a better place.
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF* on Fri Jun 29 12:10:34 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jun 29 12:09:48 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d eh, those people, yannow.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 12:45:38 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jun 29 12:10:06 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d You're so negative.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 12:55:42 2012, in response to Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Dan on Fri Jun 29 11:40:02 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Good news for cities like NY but I still think that once children are school age a lot of these people will head out to the suburbs You are 100% correct. Especially in places like Williamsburg, LIC and Bushwick. These people move in as young single twenty-somethings. When they get married and have kids and try sending them to public school, and realize their kids will go to school with kids from Queensbridge projects or Marcy projects, they will panic and move. The only ones who stay are the ones dedicated to not having children. That's why you never see baby strollers around Vernon-Jackson in LIC or Bedford Ave Brooklyn. THIW.
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF* on Fri Jun 29 13:25:04 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 12:45:38 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d You should hold his hand during that thunderstorm
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Fri Jun 29 13:27:41 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jun 29 12:09:48 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Two former apartments where I lived converted to condos after I moved away, so I know of what you speak.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 13:28:01 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jun 29 13:25:04 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why are you so negative? Be positive. Life is short.
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Fri Jun 29 13:52:26 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 12:55:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d That's why you never see baby strollers around...Bedford Ave Brooklyn. Um, I see them around Bedford Ave in Brooklyn all the time. What kind of ridiculous bullshit are you spewing?
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Posted by Terrapin Station* on Fri Jun 29 13:53:11 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 13:28:01 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d He probably has a lot of stress at work.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jun 29 13:58:06 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 12:55:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d That's why you never see baby strollers around Vernon-Jackson in LIC or Bedford Ave Brooklyn. I spotted a few couples walking Over Bedford ave with Strollers does that count?
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 14:22:40 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 29 13:58:06 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I mean the area where the L train stops. Thanks for your response.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 14:29:21 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 29 13:52:26 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Um, I see them around Bedford Ave in Brooklyn all the time. What kind of ridiculous bullshit are you spewing? "Um" is how women speak when arguing. I hate when men do that. It's twatspeak. Anyway, the amazing thing about Bedford Ave in Williamsburg or LIC Gentrified area is that you can always go to the park and there are never children. It's all young couples and singles devoted to not having children.
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Posted by Gamera* on Fri Jun 29 15:12:02 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 14:29:21 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d "Um" is how women speak when arguing. I hate when men do that. It's twatspeak. ROTFLMAO
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Jun 29 15:58:14 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jun 29 11:55:53 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Aw, come on; this is the 2010s and they all have hard heads. They need to learn the hard way that socialism doesn't work.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jun 29 16:45:19 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 14:22:40 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Ha ha so you knew where i was talking about then?
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jun 29 16:46:40 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 14:29:21 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d "Um" is how women speak when arguing. I hate when men do that. It's twatspeak. LMAO!!!! Totally utterly owned..
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Posted by TERRapin station* on Fri Jun 29 17:46:06 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 14:29:21 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nope. You're wrong and you won't admit it. Typical.
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Posted by TERRapin station* on Fri Jun 29 17:47:01 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 14:22:40 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, strollers where the L train stops. You're wrong as we've already told you.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jun 29 17:53:42 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 14:29:21 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d How fucking misogynistic. And look who agrees with you.
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Posted by TERRapin station* on Fri Jun 29 17:57:11 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 29 17:53:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yep.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jun 29 18:05:35 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 29 17:53:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d No i just find it Funny Kitty Boy..
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Posted by Gamera* on Fri Jun 29 18:09:35 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 29 18:05:35 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yep.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jun 29 18:10:12 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Gamera on Fri Jun 29 18:09:35 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Hes just as pathetic as the one in Riverdale..
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Posted by Easy* on Fri Jun 29 18:57:06 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 12:55:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d That is an issue, but I think that it's more than that. Couples are having fewer kids and also having kids later. That's making city living easier and more desirable for several years longer. We're seeing cities in the US flip to the European model where cities are becoming increasingly higher income and suburbs have more low income areas than before.
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Posted by streetcarman1* on Fri Jun 29 19:09:58 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 29 18:57:06 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d You need to factor in the cost of commuting has gone considerably for suburban monthly fares and higher taxes as well.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 19:13:55 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 29 17:53:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d How fucking misogynistic. And look who agrees with you. It's misogynistic. There are differences between men and woman and I recognize that. "Um" is very petulant female way of speaking.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 19:17:32 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 29 18:57:06 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Couples are having fewer kids and also having kids later. Middle class whites are certainly doing this. Minorities, mainly Hispanics, and rich whites(Upper East Side) are making babies. We're seeing cities in the US flip to the European model where cities are becoming increasingly higher income and suburbs have more low income areas than before. Yup. Just look at the Brentwood thread. Or the almost daily shootings and stabbings in and around Uniondale and Hempstead. And so many women look down on motherhood. Especially middle class white females who think life should be like Friends or Sex and the City.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jun 29 19:27:31 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 19:13:55 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Perhaps, but you decided to emphasize that by calling it "twatspeak."
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 19:29:28 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 29 19:27:31 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d So what? I call guys a dick or dickhead or scumbag. Does that mean I hate men?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jun 29 19:34:15 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 19:29:28 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d It's ok to call a someone a twat but not to condemn an activity you consider inherently feminine as "twatspeak."
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Posted by Gamera* on Fri Jun 29 20:58:43 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 29 18:10:12 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d peas in a pod or lapdogs in a kennel
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Posted by Easy* on Fri Jun 29 21:04:11 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 19:29:28 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d You should watch less porn.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Fri Jun 29 21:05:16 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 29 21:04:11 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d that's SMAZ the porn addict not me. those insults have nothing to do with porn.
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Posted by Easy* on Fri Jun 29 21:08:20 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 21:05:16 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d It has to do with something.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jun 29 21:22:23 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Gamera on Fri Jun 29 20:58:43 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yawn. So whose sock puppet are you?
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Posted by Gamera* on Fri Jun 29 22:38:26 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 29 21:22:23 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d takes one to know one figure it out am i one or are we many
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Posted by SMAZ* on Sat Jun 30 03:06:20 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 21:05:16 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d that's SMAZ the porn addict not me. Except for nicotine, SMAZ don't do addiction. You are widely off the mark.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sat Jun 30 03:55:18 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 12:55:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d The way I see it..they should have researched WHERE they were moving to BEFORE moving there... What the hell you expect? You move into a predominantly AF/LATINO nab.. do not interact WITH them..or want your "future children" to attend neighborhood schools..then THAT JUST tells me that you are an elitist bitch,that moved there 'cause you couldnt afford Manhattan rents. My neighbors are Asian and white..some of the nicest people you could ever know..I've spoken with them a number of times about neighorhood demographics childcare schooling and housing..ALL AGREE with my statement about change starts with the you..and the ME.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sat Jun 30 03:58:42 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 12:55:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d The way I see it..they should have researched WHERE they were moving to BEFORE moving there... What the hell you expect? You move into a predominantly AF/LATINO nab.. do not interact WITH them..or want your "future children" to attend neighborhood schools..then THAT JUST tells me that you are an elitist bitch,that moved there 'cause you couldnt afford Manhattan rents. My neighbors are Asian and white..some of the nicest people you could ever know..I've spoken with them a number of times about neighorhood demographics childcare schooling and housing..ALL AGREE with my statement about change starts with the you..and the ME. I feel sorry for you..you try to put up a front like you know people so well..but from my experiences..you dont know shit about people..or the ONLY PEOPLE you know are BIGOTS like yourself. Get some help.
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Posted by Rockparkman* on Sat Jun 30 07:40:47 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 30 03:06:20 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d SMAZ, You are the most patriotic individual on this forum.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sat Jun 30 08:10:54 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 29 17:53:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d "twat speak"....LOL! That's YOU,completely.
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Posted by Railman718* on Sat Jun 30 08:27:15 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Gamera on Fri Jun 29 22:38:26 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Notice the little wimp responded to you he needs to stay in his litter box...
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Posted by Railman718* on Sat Jun 30 08:27:42 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 30 08:10:54 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Totally agree...
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat Jun 30 09:04:26 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 29 12:55:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d When they get married and have kids and try sending them to public school, and realize their kids will go to school with kids from Queensbridge projects or Marcy projects, they will panic and move. NYC has quite a selection of private schools, with most of them offering scholarships... as long as the kid isn't a dumbass, they can avoid the public school system quite nicely...
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jun 30 11:35:39 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Gamera on Fri Jun 29 22:38:26 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d The other antichelonians actually post in legitimate threads. You don't.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jun 30 11:41:28 2012, in response to Re: Young adults choose big US cities over suburbs, posted by Rockparkman on Sat Jun 30 07:40:47 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d IAWTP!
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