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Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012 The obama badministration rejected a $2 billion dollar loan request to fund the (shovel-ready) replacement of the Tappanzee Bridge. The DOT said that it had committed $13 billion To Other Projects. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 8 21:22:55 2012, in response to Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012. The Tappen Zee in the way they want it, is completely useless. Rejecting future transportation demands and the price tag for that project is too much. In China they can build a 26 mile bridge for less than 2 billion! |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 22:17:41 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 8 21:22:55 2012. If you read the linked article, the feds had no problem with the design but had already committed the $13 billion budgeted, elsewhere. As for China, they can do it cheaper because the use virtual slave labor. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 8 22:27:36 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 22:17:41 2012. yes but Train Dude, when the Tappen Zee costs more money per mile than SAS, there is naturally more questions... 1. why wasn't a tunnel considered as it seems the tunnel would've been cheaper if SAS can be built at 1 billion per mile. 2. how many people are getting their palms greased for this!? |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 22:36:44 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by ClearAspect on Tue May 8 22:27:36 2012. Heh. You raised my curiosity on that question ... I should have known.Behold: http://libn.com/2006/02/03/save-the-tappan-zee-by-outsourcing/ |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue May 8 22:40:40 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 22:36:44 2012. BeholdI still find it amazing that a NYS public benefit corporation with the ability to issue toll backed bonds needs federal funding to pay for a new bridge, especially when the existing bridge was financed by the issuance of bonds by said PBC. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 8 22:40:59 2012, in response to Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012. I will never get a one seat ride between Port Jervis and GCT
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 22:41:25 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue May 8 22:40:40 2012. It's New York ... so what if only a small amount of the public benefits? :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 22:46:49 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 8 22:40:59 2012. Sure you will ... on a boat. They can drag it through the streets until they hit water. :) |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 8 22:49:17 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 22:46:49 2012.  Eww, boats
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 23:00:25 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 8 22:49:17 2012. I dunno ... you could always dress like a pirate and pretend it's the (RR) train ... arrrr! arrrr! :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 8 23:31:53 2012, in response to Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012. I love small government and last year's budget resolution.That money is better spent on tax credits for outsourcers anyway. I love the the Tea Party. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 00:29:09 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 8 22:36:44 2012. author! author!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 00:35:51 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 00:29:09 2012. Everything Fonzie touches turns to shit, but he always walks away with his wad. :( |
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Posted by WillD on Wed May 9 00:50:20 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 8 22:40:59 2012. Not as long as Chrisco has anything to say about it you won't. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 9 08:05:22 2012, in response to Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012. NY ain't no swing state. You got what you wanted. Want funding, come to a swing state in an election. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 08:28:55 2012, in response to Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012. The obama badministration rejected a $2 billion dollar loan request to fund the (shovel-ready) replacement of the Tappanzee Bridge.It wasn't rejected and it isn't shovel ready. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 09:03:58 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 08:28:55 2012.  your pal, Fred |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 09:23:36 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 08:28:55 2012. Yeah like obama has any idea what shovel ready means anyway. He's already proven he has no idea what works in the real world. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 09:37:20 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 09:23:36 2012. You're opinion notwithstanding, the project isn't shovel ready.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 9 09:43:21 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 08:28:55 2012. Pwn3d. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 10:03:54 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 09:23:36 2012. Yeah like obama has any idea what shovel ready means anyway. He's already proven he has no idea what works in the real world.It meant a construction contract had to be awarded within three months of receipt of funding. I spend enough evenings and Sundays in 2009 and 2010 getting projects designed and out the door to know that it worked all right in the real world. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 10:20:28 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 10:03:54 2012. I conducted some fastrack surveys to get projects to that point back then as well. ARRA funding wasn't being awarded on cartoon conceptual plans so they needed hard data and real engineered plans.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 13:45:07 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 09:37:20 2012. Correct...not tje first time hes wrong aboit shovel ready |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 9 13:52:53 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 08:28:55 2012. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 14:11:30 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 10:03:54 2012. Do you call that period "the era of ARRA?" |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 15:56:27 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 14:11:30 2012. As long as you're not ARRAgent about it.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Wed May 9 16:13:12 2012, in response to Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012. Good. If we can't have ARC, FUCK the oil company welfare highway projects. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 16:54:31 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 09:23:36 2012. LOL! Your ODS is in full swing. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 16:59:25 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 16:54:31 2012. LOL he's going ape!I was calling the bridge "the Tap" but now I've got a new name LOL. your pal, Fred |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 17:08:45 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 16:54:31 2012. BDS. Learned from the best. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 17:12:42 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 16:59:25 2012. I was calling the bridge "the Tap" but now I've got a new name LOL.Tappan sie Bridge? Then droppen sie dead! |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 17:17:50 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 17:12:42 2012. Laughing mein ass off!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 17:47:34 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 9 17:08:45 2012. Bush hasn't been president for four years. You people always tell us to move on, so why don't you take your own advice? |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 18:42:59 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 09:03:58 2012. It's news to OP. :) |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 18:45:30 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 17:47:34 2012. Their rules are ALWAYS for somebody else. That's the only consistent thing throughout. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 9 20:38:30 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 08:28:55 2012. Oh so the federal government is funding it? Where did I misread it? And it's more shovel ready than some of the shit obie has plowed my tax dollars into. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 21:15:58 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 18:45:30 2012. I am afraid you are confusing with the left. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 21:26:12 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Chimpan Zee Bridge Replacement, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 21:15:58 2012. I know you are, but what am I? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 21:39:30 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 9 20:38:30 2012. How is it shovel ready?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 21:55:43 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 9 20:38:30 2012. Oh so the federal government is funding it? Where did I misread it?"Cuomo spokesman Josh Vlasto said the initial effort wasn't banking on a win as much as securing a spot for more favorable designation in subsequent rounds. Cuomo spokesman Matt Wing said the state's 'letter of interest' wasn't rejected. He said New York's request remains alive and will be considered this year when more federal funding is approved by Congress, although some other states' proposals were rejected." And it's more shovel ready than some of the shit obie has plowed my tax dollars into. It isn't designed yet. |
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Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:21:37 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 21:39:30 2012. 
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 9 22:24:48 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:21:37 2012. LOL, Selkirk, this new Tappen Zee bridge is a f'n joke. It's disgusting, disgraceful. It should cost less than 3 billion perhaps even 2 billion for this brand new bridge. It should be funded entirely by tolls. You know it, I know it, but why doesn't our state government? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:38:51 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 9 22:24:48 2012. Big problem is that more than 50% of our state's lawgivers live way south of there and apparently don't care. It's a very long bridge, and that would get expensive for sure just on the basis of its length even though most of it is causeway. But there's the problem. The causeway itself was built on the cheap on wooden piles driven into the river rather than something more substantial. And those pesky sea worms have eated it.I'd agree that a tunnel would make a lot more sense since there's plenty of big boats that pass under it requiring the height it has, maybe even more. What I *don't* get though is why they refuse to run trains over it even if they may need to add more tracks south of it since MNRR is pretty close to capacity as it is. Still ... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 9 23:02:15 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed May 9 21:55:43 2012. That was sarcasm for all the bullshit projects that obie said were shovel ready and then had to eat his words. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 9 23:02:44 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Fred G on Wed May 9 21:39:30 2012. That was sarcasm for all the bullshit projects that obie said were shovel ready and then had to eat his words. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed May 9 23:03:31 2012, in response to Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by Train Dude on Tue May 8 21:16:08 2012. Read the article:"Cuomo spokesman Josh Vlasto said the initial effort wasn't banking on a win as much as securing a spot for more favorable designation in subsequent rounds. Cuomo spokesman Matt Wing said the state's "letter of interest" wasn't rejected. He said New York's request remains alive and will be considered this year when more federal funding is approved by Congress, although some other states' proposals were rejected. Congress is debating the additional spending now." |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 9 23:29:31 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 22:38:51 2012. The new design of the Tappen Zee Bridge should be a modified version of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Florida. That bridge is 4 miles across and in 1987 cost 244 million. Add inflation and it cost less than 500 million. A nice cable stayed bridge 5 lanes each direction 4 for traffic 1 for dedicated bus lanes, with high speed (70mph+) EZpass. NY is way behind Florida in terms of the high speed EZpass. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 9 23:36:32 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 9 23:29:31 2012. Yes.Speaking of E-ZPass, it's about time they open it up to commercial applications. Like paying for parking besides at the airports, drive through food payment and possibly gas payment. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 9 23:40:25 2012, in response to Re: Feds Reject Funding of Tappanzee Bridge Replacement, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 9 23:29:31 2012. That may be, we try to avoid going to the city that way and save the tolls entirely by crossing the river up here. Sunshine looks like a pretty neat bridge too - they did a similar design in Boston. Ah well.I wonder though if either of those do as much traffic as the Chimpan Zee? I still think it should have rails though either way ... particularly for freight. As it is now, they've got to ship all the way up here and then back south. Cutting those costs would more than pay for the bridge I'd suspect. |
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