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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:23:05 2012 fiogf49gjkf0d In an effort to get youth, women and computer savvy voters on their side, the campaign created this Flash cartoon claiming to show how an imaginary woman would both benefit under Obama and suffer under Romney: http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia/ Progressives yawned. Conservatives and libertarians are ridiculing it: http://thereallifejulia.tumblr.com/ This tumblr has nearly twice as many page views as the original, despite being created 12 hours later. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51265 And of course, conservatives have totally taken over #julia. How much is Obama spending on social media outreach? If it's a lot, does he realize how little he's getting for it?
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by bingbong* on Thu May 3 13:45:11 2012, in response to Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:23:05 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d There is nothing the least bit untrue about anything in that ad.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu May 3 13:59:29 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 13:45:11 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d That's not the point. The point here is the incompetence of the Obama campaign's online advisers. When the right attacks you for supporting cradle-to-grave socialism, you don't spend time and effort in making their case for them.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu May 3 14:01:11 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:59:29 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Example: https://twitter.com/#!/iowahawkblog/status/198108226649206784
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu May 3 14:09:30 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:59:29 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Where does government, mostly in the form of legal, support become "socialism"? Are you against equal pay for equal work? You must be, you're critical of it. Tell your wife that. See what she thinks. Are you against contraceptive access? You must be, you're critical of it. Tell your wife that. See what she thinks. Are you against Social Security? Ready to support your parents through their old age, including their healthcare bills? Bear in mind your kids won't see college because you'll have no means to pay, nor there will be loans available. You must be, you're critical of it.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu May 3 14:16:16 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 14:09:30 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d When you depict the life of a woman as nothing but as a dependent of government programs, you make the case for your opponents. That's bad campaigning. Whomever did this for Obama should be fired. Particularly for the facepalm-worthy naming this imaginary woman "Julia". Why? This.
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu May 3 14:18:22 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 14:16:16 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Those programs (aside from certain healthcare issues) affect men as well. Each and every one.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu May 3 14:28:04 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 14:18:22 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d You're not helping your side with that argument.
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by Fred G* on Thu May 3 14:34:22 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:59:29 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d The Obama campaign isn't touting cradle to grave socialism in that ad you linked. You probably didn't read past the first page and made up your mind. Or perhaps you did before you read the ad. your pal, Fred
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu May 3 14:36:49 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 14:28:04 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d You have no argument. Nothing that the republicans have proposed do anything to am,e the average person's life any better. So far, we've seen them propose enacting the Ryan "budget", which is opposed by over 70% of all Americans, and eliminating TitleX and Planned Parenthood, both of which will directly harm the majority of the population. Anyone that votes republican supports these plans.
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Posted by italianstallion* on Thu May 3 14:36:52 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 14:34:22 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Chris is well-known for not reading beyond the first paragraph or page of an article.
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu May 3 14:39:18 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by bingbong on Thu May 3 14:36:49 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d That''s make the average person's life any better. Sorry for typo.
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu May 3 14:41:35 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 14:34:22 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d C'mon Fred, you don't expect him to read do ya? That's too much to ask. Comprehending is way beyond his pay grade.
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu May 3 14:46:17 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 14:34:22 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Oh, he sure is. There's no denying it. At every step of Julia's life, there's a government program there to shield her from making decisions, being responsible and she never pays a dime for them.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu May 3 14:46:26 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 14:34:22 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Oh, she sure is. There's no denying it. At every step of Julia's life, there's a government program there to shield her from making decisions, being responsible and she never pays a dime for them.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu May 3 14:48:23 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by italianstallion on Thu May 3 14:36:52 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Sorry bub, that's not gonna work here. http://crankytrex.blogspot.com/2012/05/life-of-julianne.html
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by Fred G* on Thu May 3 14:52:36 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 14:46:17 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Can you cite some examples? I disagree that a law like the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act is socialism. I doubt that putting caps on student loan interest rates is going to "shield her from making decisions". What other examples do you have? your pal, Fred
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by JohnL* on Thu May 3 16:14:45 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 14:48:23 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Of course, what that blog entry doesn’t tell you is that Julianne’s parents are Romneys or their like. For the rest of Americans, it doesn’t work that way.
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by JohnL* on Thu May 3 16:16:37 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 14:46:17 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d …and she never pays a dime for them. How ignorant can you get? Every time we think you reach the nadir, you manage to push the bar lower. Julia will be contributing to these various schemes throughout her working life by paying taxes. Oh, I forgot, Republicans don’t pay taxes. That’s why they think that any government spending on their behalf is “free”.
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Posted by Fred G* on Thu May 3 16:29:29 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by JohnL on Thu May 3 16:14:45 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d I agree, there's a lot of Disneyland in that blog. "Stay at home" mom, indeed. Her parents saved for her college tuition...right. your pal, Fred
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 19:26:59 2012, in response to Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:23:05 2012. fiogf49gjkf0d Julia is the name of the person in a charity letter I got the other day. What I got out of it was that Obama is starving old people currently. Which is why I suppose the campaign cuts off at 65ish. The real life Julia I refer to, can't afford to eat because of her medicaid bills.
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Re: "Julia" blamed for POTUS' drop in polls (was: web-based campaign)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed May 16 16:33:42 2012, in response to Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:23:05 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d The Hill Obama can thank 'Julia' for his drop in the polls By Sabrina L. Schaeffer \| 05/16/12 11:38 AM ET If “Julia” taught us anything, it’s that the Democrats' agenda — a set of cradle-to-grave policies designed to “protect” women and keep them under the auspices of government control — is doomed to fail come November. Yesterday’s CBS/New York Times poll that found that women support Romney over Obama 46-44, revealing that playing gender politics actually doesn’t win you women’s — or men’s — votes. The fact is this “gender split” really just mimics the general vote split, suggesting that these ideas are widely unpopular. As I’ve written before, the “War on Women” narrative is risky business, as women are more and more out-performing men educationally and professionally and even, increasingly, becoming the breadwinners in the family. With so much success, it gets hard to maintain the narrative that women are somehow grossly discriminated against and in need of government support. Not only do all the policies the White House touts as favorable for women — Head Start, “Race to the Top,” Title IX, government-administered financial aid, ObamaCare and “free coverage,” workplace regulations like Lilly Ledbetter and the Paycheck Fairness Act — fail women and their families, but also they lead to fewer choices, less flexibility and less freedom in all of our lives. Let’s be clear: Too often, the policies promoted by the left in the name of helping women actually end up hurting women. Sometimes the condescension coming from the White House is just too much. Apparently women’s success has all been a function of government. Whether you’re the star swimmer on your college team or the new CEO, it’s because Washington carried you there. What yesterday’s poll numbers reveal is not that Romney has his thumb on the pulse of American women — he certainly still needs help refining his policies and communications. But it suggests that women are tired of being talked (down) to as if they are a victim class in need of constant care.
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Re: ''Julia'' blamed for POTUS' drop in polls (was: web-based campaign)
Posted by Rockparkman* on Wed May 16 16:36:08 2012, in response to Re: "Julia" blamed for POTUS' drop in polls (was: web-based campaign), posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 16 16:33:42 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Chris, Eat shit and die.
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Re: ''Julia'' blamed for POTUS' drop in polls (was: web-based campaign)
Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 16 17:13:33 2012, in response to Re: ''Julia'' blamed for POTUS' drop in polls (was: web-based campaign), posted by Rockparkman on Wed May 16 16:36:08 2012. fiogf49gjkf0d You mean Ologia...right?
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Re: ''Julia'' blamed for POTUS' drop in polls (was: web-based campaign)
Posted by Rockparkman on Wed May 16 17:51:00 2012, in response to Re: ''Julia'' blamed for POTUS' drop in polls (was: web-based campaign), posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 16 17:13:33 2012. fiogf49gjkf0d Olog-hate: The only reason a rational person would support defense cuts.
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Posted by JayMan* on Wed May 16 19:29:39 2012, in response to Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:23:05 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d It's a fundamental disconnect between two broadly prevailing mindsets in this country. One is the older mindset of staunch individualism and self-reliance. One should succeed on only one's hard work, and if one does not, one shouldn't expect to get ahead. The problem with this view is that it doesn't take into consideration those who aren't as fortunate in this pure "meritocracy": they die off in large numbers just as they did in times past. The other view is that as we are all one nation we should all look out for one another and be ready to lend a helping in hand in should one of us be in need. There is a safety net in place to help catch one when one falls. The problem with this view is that it is vulnerable to those who drain the system without contributing. Those two views are deeply ingrained and are intractable, and probably won't go away any time soon. Obama did what he did to appeal to his base, who come from the latter group. Inevitably anything he does to move closer to the latter group is going to move him away from the former group. It is the nature of the beast.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed May 16 21:24:47 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 14:34:22 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d What's stupid is that most of Julia's government benefits come in the form of education, which has long since been socialized. Then there is the age 26 insurance mandate. It's an unfunded mandate; insurance companies are free to raise their rates to compensate. Interestingly, had this mandate been in place between 2005 and 2008, I would have never had to have Medicaid and thus would never have used "socialized medicine." It appears that Julia also never benefitted from actual socialized medicine.
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed May 16 21:32:14 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 16:29:29 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Right. LOL.
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by G1Ravage* on Thu May 17 01:58:24 2012, in response to Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 13:23:05 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d Shocking.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Thu May 17 07:54:18 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Fred G on Thu May 3 14:34:22 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d In the end i don't know what it's touting! They're talking about some irrelvant tax credits and things that don't apply to most that were done w/o Obama.
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Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong
Posted by JayMan* on Thu May 17 08:51:13 2012, in response to Re: Another Obama web-based campaign goes horribly, horribly wrong, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu May 3 14:48:23 2012.* fiogf49gjkf0d If anything, Obama's "Life of Julia" and this response you've linked to are a nice window into the both the left-wing and right-wing views of the world. Both are wrong on many levels.
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