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Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 17:44:02 2012

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Latin America rebels against Obama over Cuba

  • Cuba dispute blocked final declaration at summit
  • U.S. ally Colombia joins leftists over Cuba issue
  • Prostitute scandal embarrasses Obama in Cartagena

Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:43pm EDT
By Andrew Cawthorne and Brian Ellsworth
CARTAGENA, Colombia — Unprecedented Latin American opposition to U.S. sanctions on Cuba left President Barack Obama isolated at a summit on Sunday and illustrated Washington's declining influence in a region being aggressively courted by China.

Unlike the rock-star status he enjoyed at the 2009 Summit of the Americas after taking office, Obama has had a bruising time at the two-day meeting in Colombia of some 30 heads of state.

Sixteen U.S. security personnel were caught in an embarrassing prostitution scandal before Obama arrived, Brazil and others have bashed him over U.S. monetary policy, and he has been on the defensive over Cuba and calls to legalize drugs.

Due to the hostile U.S. and Canadian line on communist-run Cuba, the heads of state failed to produce a final declaration as the summit fizzled out on Sunday afternoon.

"There was no declaration because there was no consensus," said Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos. He bristled at suggestions the summit had been a failure, however, saying the exchange of different views was a sign of democratic health.

For the first time, conservative-led U.S. allies like Mexico and Colombia are throwing their weight behind the traditional demand of leftist governments that Cuba be invited to the next Summit of the Americas.

Cuba was kicked out of the Organization of American States (OAS) a few years after Fidel Castro's 1959 revolution, and has been excluded from its summits due mainly to U.S. opposition.

But Latin American leaders are increasingly militant in opposing to the 50-year-old U.S. trade embargo on the island.

"The isolation, the embargo, the indifference, looking the other way, have been ineffective," Santos said. "I hope Cuba is at the next summit in three years."

A major U.S. ally in the region who has relied on Washington for financial and military help to fight guerrillas and drug traffickers, Santos has become vocal over Cuba's inclusion even though he also advocates for democratic reform by Havana.

Clinton Parties at "Café Havana"

In an ironic twist to the debate, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton went dancing in the early hours of Sunday at a Cartagena bar called "Café Havana" where Cuban music is played.

Argentine President Cristina Fernandez, who has insisted without success that Washington recognize its claim to the Falkland Islands controlled by Britain, was one of several presidents who left the summit well before its official closure.

The leftist ALBA bloc of nations — including Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua and some Caribbean nations — said they will not attend future summits without Cuba's presence.

"It's not a favor anyone would be doing to Cuba. It's a right they've had taken away from them," Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega said from Managua.

Though there were widespread hopes for a rapprochement with Cuba under Obama when he took office, Washington has done little beyond ease some travel restrictions. It insists Cuba must first make changes, including the release of political prisoners.

Obama has not spoken publicly of Cuba at the summit, though he did complain that Cold War-era issues, some dating from before his birth, were hindering regional integration.

"Sometimes I feel as if in some of these discussions, or at least the press reports, we're caught in a time warp, going back to the 1950s and gunboat diplomacy and Yankees and the Cold War, and this and that and the other," the 50-year-old Obama said.

"That's not the world we live in today."

The prostitution saga was a big embarrassment for Obama and blow to the prestige of his Secret Service. It was the talk of the town in the historic Caribbean coastal city of Cartagena.

Eleven Secret Service agents were sent home and five military servicemen grounded after trying to take prostitutes back to their hotel the day before Obama arrived.

Hotel Fracas

A local policeman told Reuters the affair came to a head when hotel staff tried to register a prostitute at the front desk, but agents refused and waved their ID cards. An investigation is underway in the United States.

"Someone who's charged with looking after the security of the most important president in the world cannot commit the mistake of getting mixed up with a prostitute," said Cartagena tourist guide Rodolfo Galvis, 60.

"This has damaged the image of the Secret Service, not Colombia."

The divisive end to the summit added to strain on the U.S.-dominated system of hemispheric diplomacy that was built around the OAS but is struggling to adapt to changes in the region.

"I'm not sure the next summit will even be possible," said Carlos Gaviria, a Colombian politician and former presidential candidate.

Perceived U.S. neglect of Latin America has allowed China to move strongly into the region and become the leading trade partner of Brazil and various other nations.

Regional economic powerhouse Brazil has led criticism at the summit of U.S. and other rich nations' expansionist monetary policy that is sending a flood of funds into developing nations, forcing up local currencies and hurting competitiveness.

She called it a "monetary tsunami" that Latin American nations had the right to defend themselves from.

Cheering the mood a bit, U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk announced that a U.S.-Colombia free trade agreement will come into force in the middle of May.

With a presidential election looming, Obama had portrayed his visit to the summit as a way to generate jobs at home by boosting trade with Latin America.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by clearaspect on Sun Apr 15 18:06:03 2012, in response to Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 17:44:02 2012.

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The embargo has been a failure... we hate cuba for communism let china freely trade with us. Its time to drop this epic foreign policy failure and begin proper communication.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 18:13:40 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by clearaspect on Sun Apr 15 18:06:03 2012.

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I agree as long as obama doesn't get down on his knees and beg for forgiveness.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 18:58:37 2012, in response to Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 17:44:02 2012.

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Actually, they turned on Obama because he refused to "legalize it" ... look it up.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 19:06:31 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 18:13:40 2012.

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Obama won't do that, he's been pretty hardline at foreign policy issues like Iran, North Korea and on Terrorism. We're the only country who has this embargo... Raul ain't going to live for very long and if we open communication we can get things done in the long term for Cuba and US relations and the cuban government.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 19:20:43 2012, in response to Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 17:44:02 2012.

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They're right, the embargo should be lifted.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 19:24:25 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 19:20:43 2012.

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Why should we try to make friends with Cuba when it's better to let them align with China and let China build military bases there? :-\

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 19:28:34 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 19:24:25 2012.

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When did you switch to Romney's team?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 19:29:34 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 19:28:34 2012.

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He's gone Rouge! He's eloping with Palin in Russia!

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 19:39:26 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 19:29:34 2012.

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I can see that from here.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 19:57:40 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 19:28:34 2012.

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Whoop! My bad ... wrong ethernet connector. Accidentally plugged it into this old 1940's Philco radio I was restoring. :)

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 20:30:22 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 19:06:31 2012.

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I am not concerned with the ending of the embargo. I think that we should be cultivating trading partners. Besides, I hate to see my Cuban Cigar smoking friends having to go to Toronto for them. But obie has a history of apologizing for things that he should not be apologizing for.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 20:31:26 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 19:29:34 2012.

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A far better choice the 2nd time around

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 20:31:33 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 20:30:22 2012.

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Sometimes you have to apologize because its the right thing to do, it takes strength to be able to apologize and accept what has been done.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 20:37:33 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 20:31:33 2012.

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Sometimes but not in this case. You tell the Cubans that the world has changed & so has our foreign policy. We now welcome the opportunity to trade with them and we move on.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 20:47:15 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by clearaspect on Sun Apr 15 18:06:03 2012.

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I totally agree, but it depends on how it's done.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 15 21:23:02 2012, in response to Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 15 17:44:02 2012.

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Good! We are not at war with Cuba---why keep the flow of freedom out of Cuba? If the embargo is lifted, Cuban communism doesn't make it through the decade of the 2010s.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 21:24:54 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 15 21:23:02 2012.

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The killer is that under Raul, Cuban society is already changing to something we like. And we're still kicking them in the ass for it. :-\

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 21:25:58 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 20:37:33 2012.

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Obama won't apologize he will say "this isn't 1950, this isn't the cold war, the cold war is over and "with the repeal of the embargo the last legacy of that time ends"

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 21:26:34 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 21:24:54 2012.

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You can't convert people to capitalism without a free market.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 21:34:53 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 21:25:58 2012.

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That would be appropriate

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 21:38:43 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 21:34:53 2012.

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Locking in Cuba will lock up the entire Caribbean region and keep that area entirely under the sphere of the US. Perhaps all future states :)

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 21:56:22 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 21:38:43 2012.

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Perhaps give Cuba a leg up on becoming the 52nd state. (Then we need find only 5 more so obama could be right)

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 21:59:17 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 21:26:34 2012.

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But wouldn't giving the market away for free be communism? :)

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 22:08:05 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 21:56:22 2012.

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Then we can add Guam and America Samoa and thats 53 and 54! Just need 1 more...

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 22:10:02 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 21:59:17 2012.

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Go sit in the waiting room... :)

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 15 22:12:23 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 22:10:02 2012.

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I'll stand out here ... wifi sucks in there. :)

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 15 23:08:28 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Apr 15 22:08:05 2012.

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actually it would be 3 more but who's counting

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Dan on Mon Apr 16 11:32:38 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by clearaspect on Sun Apr 15 18:06:03 2012.

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I'm one of the few conservatives who thinks the embargo should be lifted. We trade with countries as bad or worse than Cuba, like China and Vietnam. Lift the embargo and Cuba will be flooded with friendly middle-class American tourists again.

But I sometimes think the Castro Brothers love the embargo. It lets them blame the US for their 50-year communist economic disaster. The last thing they want are planeloads full of Americans with iPhones, iPods and laptops mingling with the Cuban people. NYC is only about 4 hours away from Havana by air.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Apr 16 12:15:31 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Dan on Mon Apr 16 11:32:38 2012.

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Yes, but think of the treasure trove of vintage American automobiles and parts that could effect the "CLASSIC CAR" market.

Then there is railfanning to Hershey on trolleys, interurbans and other electrics.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 16 12:23:12 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 19:20:43 2012.

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I agree completely. The embargo is the stupidest part of American foreign policy. If we can trade with China, and the middle eastern nations that treat women like crap, we can trade with Cuba. The major issue is that the ex-Cubans in South Slorida are a major voting bloc that nobody wants to dare piss off.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Apr 16 12:26:00 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 16 12:23:12 2012.

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It would wipe out the bootleg cigar trade. Boardrooms would no longer be exclusive.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 12:30:17 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 20:47:15 2012.

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Unilaterally end the embargo and travel ban. Make a deal with a neutral nation to provide consular services for Americans in Cuba rather than reopening relations. See what happens next.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Dan on Mon Apr 16 12:58:18 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Apr 16 12:15:31 2012.

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Incredible how the Cubans have kept those old Chevys and Fords running for 50+ years.............

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:16:40 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 12:30:17 2012.

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Slave.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:17:37 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Dan on Mon Apr 16 11:32:38 2012.

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Oh please. Hasn't stopped China from being communist, has it? All this increased commerce will serve to do is make the current regime stronger.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:19:12 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by clearaspect on Sun Apr 15 18:06:03 2012.

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No it hasn't. This administration's dovish foreign policy is what is the failure.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 13:21:36 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:16:40 2012.

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LOL!

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:25:54 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 13:21:36 2012.

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Cheerful slave, too.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 16 15:22:17 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 12:30:17 2012.

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We actually have direct consular services there.

They are called "Interest Sections" instead of embassies and consulates.

We've had low-level diplomatic relations with Cuba since the '70's.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 16 15:23:58 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 12:30:17 2012.

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oh and I agree with ending the travel ban.

I don't recognize that law anyway.

The embargo should be ended small steps at the time.

The travel ban would be a good start.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 16 15:29:27 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Dan on Mon Apr 16 11:32:38 2012.

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The last thing they want are planeloads full of Americans with iPhones, iPods and laptops mingling with the Cuban people.

There are planeloads of Canadians and Europeans with iPhones, iPods and laptops mingling with the Cuban people.

You know not of what you speak of.
Get over yourself.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by clearaspect on Mon Apr 16 15:44:38 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:19:12 2012.

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Prove it olog... when has it failed?

Cause from what I see youre wrong.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 16 16:24:25 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Dan on Mon Apr 16 11:32:38 2012.

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Conservative= IDIOT. Ship +all+ those "refugees" back and declare the place open for the Fortune 500. END OF PROBLEM.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 16 16:25:36 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:17:37 2012.

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You're a joke. LOL@yuo!!!

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 16:29:25 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 16 13:19:12 2012.

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You must be itching for a Republican administration to come in and spend $1 Trillion to convert another secular nation to Shia Islam.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 16:30:07 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 16 15:29:27 2012.

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Americans would go in greater numbers.

There are way more Americans than Canadians.

Europeans would have to cross the Atlantic. Sure they do, and in great numbers, but Americans are right here. Cuba would be HUGE!

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 16:34:25 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 16:30:07 2012.

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Of course it would be huge; I would venture a guess that building a gambling complex would be something that would draw tourists away from Vegas.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by Rockparkman on Mon Apr 16 16:45:41 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 16 16:34:25 2012.

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No gambling. Ike brought his mob connections that he got back in WWII in there and that's what brought on the Castro Revolution.

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Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 16 16:46:31 2012, in response to Re: Latin America turns on Obama—suddenly demands embargo against Cuba be lifted, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 16 16:30:07 2012.

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Sure they do, and in great numbers, but Americans are right here. Cuba would be HUGE!

I agree that it would but Dan's image of the Cuban people as hardly ever having been exposed to Western gadgets by Western people was ridiculous and an insight into his ignorance.

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