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Black Panther Party offering $10K for "capture" of George Zimmerman

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:46:19 2012

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The NY Daily News just calls them a "group" in the headline . . . like they were some kind of singing or dancing band . . .

Group offers $10,000 to ‘capture’ Trayvon Martin’s killer

The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain

By Tina Moore / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, March 24, 2012, 6:18 PM
The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” leader Mikhail Muhammad said after announcing the reward for George Zimmerman at a protest in Sanford, Fla.

Muhammad called on 5,000 black men to mobilize and capture the neighborhood watch volunteer.

“If the government won’t do the job, we’ll do it,” Muhammad said, leading chants that included “freedom or death” and “justice for Trayvon.”

Muhammad said New Black Panther’s chairman, Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, was taking donations from black entertainers and athletes.

The group hopes to collect $1 million off the outrage by next week.

New Black Panthers members pointed to what they called the inaction of government officials — from Sanford city officials up to the governor — and accused them of lying and delaying justice.

They also said Angela Corley, the newly appointed special prosecutor, was an enemy of the black community.

“She has a track record of sending innocent young black men and women to prison,” Muhammad said.

The Southern Poverty Law Center calls the New Black Panther Party, a black-separatist group created in 1989, “virulently racist and anti-Semitic.”

Martin, who is African-American, was wearing a hoodie and carrying a pack of Skittles and an ice tea on the night of Feb. 26. He was heading back to his father’s fiance’s townhouse.

Zimmerman, 28, called 911 to report a suspicious person in the gated community and followed the teen despite the dispatcher’s request that he stand down.

Zimmerman said he shot Martin in self-defense. Zimmerman’s family says he is Hispanic and race was not an issue.

A Florida man was also charged Friday with threatening to kill Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee and his family.

Lee temporarily stepped down as chief over the case.

Trayvon’s mom said she was having a hard time realizing that her son’s not coming home, People magazine reported Saturday.

“I look at every door and think, he’s just going to walk through it any minute,” Sybrina Fulton told the magazine.“I just want to see him again, but I can’t.

“He’s in heaven, looking down at me.”


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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 26 10:55:00 2012, in response to Black Panther Party offering $10K for "capture" of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:46:19 2012.

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So how will Eric Holder, view this Vigilantism?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:55:48 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 26 10:55:00 2012.

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Most likely turn a blind eye to it.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 26 11:00:11 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:55:48 2012.

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I guess he must be noted for his consistency in his policy while still in government service.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 26 11:36:30 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:55:48 2012.

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Chris has made more explicit threats right here on this forum without attracting attention from the authorities.

For it to be a crime to threaten someone with physical harm or death it has to be pretty explicit. Though if incitement to kidnaping is a crime (not sure), they have gone pretty far by offering a reward.




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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 26 12:55:48 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 26 11:36:30 2012.

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That's a Pretty pusillanimous position that you have taken -

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 26 13:21:21 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 26 12:55:48 2012.

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Huh?

I'm talking law. Holder can't go after these guys unless they have broken a law. If they have a federal law, then he should.

Do you know for sure that they've broken a law? If so, I'd be interested in knowing the details of exactly what law they've broken.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 26 13:27:24 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 26 13:21:21 2012.

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It seems the Black Panthers are offering a reward for white person to be taken against his will and restrained until payment is made.
Currently, Zimmerman has not broken a law.
Further investigation and a Florida Grand Jury will determine if he is to be taken into custody for an alleged crime and given a trial.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 13:35:23 2012, in response to Black Panther Party offering $10K for "capture" of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:46:19 2012.

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Those brothers just need to chill out they aren't helping at all..

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 13:36:25 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 26 13:27:24 2012.

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I think it's interesting that the media won't touch any photos of a teenage Trayvon.

His FB photos show him covered with tattoos, gold teeth, and making all kinds of not no nice gestures. Rumor has it that he was in Orlando because he was "suspended" from school.

Zimmerman probably followed him figuring he was going to do something, and Trayvon got in his face figuring he's just a nosy-body who would back off.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 13:46:16 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 13:36:25 2012.

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His FB photos show him covered with tattoos, gold teeth, and making all kinds of not no nice gestures. Rumor has it that he was in Orlando because he was "suspended" from school.

The 'FB photos you are referring to, are NOT of the Trayvon Martin who was shot by George Zimmerman, but of a different Trayvon Martin of Georgia, who is alive and well and living in that state. Nice smear try, though. The media, BTW, has been publishing photos of Trayvon for several weeks now.

The late Trayvon Martin was suspended from school for possessing an empty plastic baggie supposedly of the type used to hold marijuana, as if weed is the only possible thing that can be put in a plastic bag.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 13:54:04 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 13:46:16 2012.

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Luch ya need to follow up on things...

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:00:37 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 13:54:04 2012.

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Luch needs to do his research before making incendiary statements like those in his last post.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:01:35 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 13:54:04 2012.

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the middle finger photo is the wrong Trayvon.

gold teeth is his face but it could be photoshopped.

I'm on the same page as JayZeeBMT. We both agree Trayvon was suspended.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:02:38 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:00:37 2012.

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incendiary? we both said he was suspended which is the most serious character assault of all.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:05:52 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:02:38 2012.

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So wait...Trayvon's suspension from school somehow mitigates his murder at the hands of an unsupervised, untrained street vigilante?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:07:12 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:01:35 2012.

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Stop deflecting. You tried to smear the late Trayvon Martin, and you got called out on it...now you're bringing up some "photoshop" bullshit? Give it a rest, already!

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:09:38 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:05:52 2012.

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what do you think happened? Maybe Zimmerman followed Trayvon and Trayvon confronted Zimmerman for being a nosy-body?

Zimmerman called 911 many times. What the leftist media is not telling us is that some of his "work" resulted in arrests.

What do you think of the shootings and Mississippi?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:12:50 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:07:12 2012.

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No I'm not. There is a photo going around of Trayvon with a gold teeth. It's his face but I'm not convinced it wasn't photo shopped.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:17:05 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:09:38 2012.

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The record so far: Zimmerman had a criminal record, Trayvon did not. Zimmerman had a gun, Trayvon had Skittles. Zimmerman was in a car, Trayvon was on foot. Zimmerman was explicitly told NOT to follow Trayvon, but continued to do so anyway, and got out of his vehicle to confront Trayvon. Zimmerman and Trayvon each called 911, but we have only heard the audio of Zimmerman's conversation with the operator. I wonder if Trayvon's call was "accidentally erased" yet?

I have posted my thoughts on what happened with Trayvon and Zimmerman elsewhere on this board.

The "leftist media" has reported extensively on the Trayvon Martin case, as opposed to the rightist media like FOX, which, to date, has done just three segments on Trayvon, vs. dozens by CNN and MSNBC.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:19:57 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:12:50 2012.

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Whether that photo on the right is really of Trayvon with "gold teeth" or not, what bearing does this have on his murder at the hands of George Zimmerman?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:20:34 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:17:05 2012.

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I wonder if Trayvon's call was "accidentally erased" yet?

Or maybe something else.

The "leftist media" has reported extensively on the Trayvon Martin case, as opposed to the rightist media like FOX, which, to date, has done just three segments on Trayvon, vs. dozens by CNN and MSNBC.

So? I'm sure Fox News will report on the shootings in Mississippi.


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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:21:30 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:19:57 2012.

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Why would the media not use it? It's a nice photo. Looks recent.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 26 14:24:19 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:21:30 2012.

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Does it really matter? does it matter to you?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:26:18 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:21:30 2012.

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You're not answering my question: How are Trayvon's purported gold teeth in any way a mitigation of the FACT that he was murdered at the hands of George Zimmerman?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 26 14:26:40 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:09:38 2012.

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"What the leftist media is not telling us is that some of his "work" resulted in arrests."

Really? so the police force in that city is incapable of doing its job then? that they need outside forces?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 14:29:31 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 26 14:24:19 2012.

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He has a point in a way IT MATTERS to those who are "looking" for any kind of stupid justification in this idiots actions...

Gotta "see"how the media can twist chit....

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 26 14:31:39 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:20:34 2012.

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"So? I'm sure Fox News will report on the shootings in Mississippi."

Is it a hate crime?



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:34:29 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:26:18 2012.

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I'm just pointing out that only one photo going around is not that of Trayvon. That's the middle finger photo. The gold teeth photo looks real and recent. Why not use it? Why use older photos?

Gold teeth is not mitigation of the fact. That's why I can't see why the media won't use it.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:36:24 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:34:29 2012.

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The "middle finger" photo is NOT of the late Trayvon at all. The media has been using other, higher-resolution pics of Trayvon in recent weeks.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:37:58 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:36:24 2012.

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The "middle finger" photo is NOT of the late Trayvon at all

We know that now.

Do you think the gold teeth photo, if real, hurts his good boy image?

What do you think of the shootings in Mississippi?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 26 14:40:01 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 26 13:21:21 2012.

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I'm talking about your comparing the Black Panther's "reward" to your allegations that, "Chris has made more explicit threats right here on this forum without attracting attention from the authorities." So once again, in the liberal mindset, 2 wrongs do make a right.


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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:42:27 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:37:58 2012.

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No, I don't think the "gold teeth photo" hurts Trayvon's image, given how common gold teeth are these days. I once worked with a medic who had several gold teeth. I used to tell her how those caps destroyed her pretty face--the effect was VERY unflattering--but that's what she wanted to put in her mouth.

Gold teeth--and hoodies--do not a bad person make.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 26 14:42:54 2012, in response to Black Panther Party offering $10K for "capture" of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:46:19 2012.

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The "New Black Panthers" are full of retards.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 26 14:45:09 2012, in response to Black Panther Party offering $10K for "capture" of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:46:19 2012.

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how did they get the 10k?
how did they rise that huge amount of money ?


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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:47:35 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:42:27 2012.

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Well you're wrong. The gold teeth photo would not be used by NY Times and CNN because it look a little bit gangsta.

Even before the Trayvon shooting, I have been pointing out that in nearby Tampa, there has been a black-on-cop murder trend that has not gone unnoticed by law abiding citizens of all backgrounds.

There are two reasons why the Trayvon case is big. 1. Zimmerman not arrested. 2. Role reversal.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:49:00 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 26 14:45:09 2012.

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how did they get the 10k?
how did they rise that huge amount of money ?


You're unreal. You just made a racist statement and don't even know it.


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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:50:53 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:47:35 2012.

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The Trayvon case is big because Zimmerman is getting away with murder, period. What is this "role reversal" you're talking about? Young, innocent black men have been getting killed, their murderers unpunished, for centuries in America.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 26 14:54:13 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 26 14:40:01 2012.

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???

What are you talking about?

The Black Panther "offer" is definitely wrong. It could lead to something seriously bad happening.

I was wondering about whether it's a federal crime or not. Obviously you don't know either, since you are evading the question. But I genuinely would like to know; I just don't have the time to look it up.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:54:43 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:50:53 2012.

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What is this "role reversal" you're talking about? Young, innocent black men have been getting killed, their murderers unpunished, for centuries in America.

Because no matter how hard it is for you to admit, black on white and black on black crime is far more common than white on black crime.

That's the world we live in today. Zimmerman, por lo menos, es 50% hispano.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 26 14:55:32 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:49:00 2012.

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my question was to the point and not racist at all
how did such a small group raise 10K ??
can you answer the question ? or do you insist on blaming me ?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 26 14:56:12 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:47:35 2012.

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I don't think the gold teeth photo is him either. Just looks too different.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 26 14:58:18 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:34:29 2012.

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"That's why I can't see why the media won't use it. "

Why would they WANT to use it? for what purpose?



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Mar 26 15:00:10 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:37:58 2012.

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"Do you think the gold teeth photo, if real, hurts his good boy image?"

What about all the gold chains you wore in high school? does that make you a BAD BOY?



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 15:04:53 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 14:49:00 2012.

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I would love to hear why you think that he just asked a question...

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 15:06:32 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 26 14:56:12 2012.

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I think it could be photoshopped. Since "middle finger" is the only photo being disputed so far(identified as Trayvon from Georgia) it could be him.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 26 15:07:51 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 15:06:32 2012.

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Unless he got Botox'd, those lips look more full in the gold teeth pic than others of him.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 15:08:29 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 26 14:55:32 2012.

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asking how a black group got $10K is racist.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 15:08:54 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 15:08:29 2012.

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Like heck it is!



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 26 15:09:39 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 26 15:08:54 2012.

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yeah it is not

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