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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:35:10 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:32:56 2012. You don't have piped in gas where you are? Gotta make your own? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 11 22:36:27 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:32:56 2012. Dunno what it is about you and dognuts there, bro ... upstate, we actually have real food. Are you pretending to be a cop now? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 22:42:04 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:18:48 2012. Yes, now you want pharmacists and drug store employees to perform medicine. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 22:42:35 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:22:02 2012. What a great comeback! I know you are but what am I. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:44:16 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 22:42:04 2012. They already do. None of this is outside their purview. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:45:33 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 22:42:35 2012. Only you can answer that. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:47:34 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:33:44 2012. So a Dr. would prescribe birth control pills to a woman with precancerous cells on her cervix. Some experts in the field might disagree with you.How do oral contraceptives affect cervical cancer risk? Evidence shows that long-term use of OCs (5 or more years) may be associated with an increased risk of cancer of the cervix (the narrow, lower portion of the uterus) (12). Although OC use may increase the risk of cervical cancer, human papillomavirus (HPV) is recognized as the major cause of this disease. Now, who is going to bend over you fat tub of shit? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:51:22 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:47:34 2012. The point has been made already. The OP article states *PROGESTIN* pills. They do NOT carry the same risk as estrogen pills. Do you read anything here? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:54:27 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 22:51:22 2012. Either you can't read or you need to be right so badly that you ignore what's written. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 23:02:00 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:54:27 2012. You missed the fact that, once OC is discontinued, cancer risk recedes over time.Not to mention that nobody is saying that OTC pills eliminate the need to get a regular Pap smear. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 11 23:33:03 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:47:34 2012. not very nice to be so disrespectful to a woman like that..I dont think you would be so carefree if it were your wife that were called such names..man up and Apologize... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 00:09:42 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 23:02:00 2012. Are you fucking deranged?Once oral contraceptives are discontinued? How is not getting a pap smear going to reduce the chances of getting cancer? You are a fucking simpleton. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 00:11:43 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 11 23:33:03 2012. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, ass-hole. Did you read seldouche's comment to me that preceded mine? Next time I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 00:14:27 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 00:09:42 2012. She's just posting for effect. It screams right out of her posts with their absurdity. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 00:19:12 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 12 00:14:27 2012. This is what the extremist left tries to pass off as informed discussion. This is as bad as her contentions that BMW was moving to Detroit because the people in South Carolina are untrainable idiots. Then she says she knows this because her father is in South Carolina. Q.E.D. I guess the girl knows her own father. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 12 00:56:19 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 00:11:43 2012. You REALLY feel like going there with ME,fella..when you know I can play that game better than ANY OF YOU?RETHINK your position..before it gets really nasty. YES..I did read the post proceeding your response..and it DIDNT deserve your "kind" words. There..you GOT MY OPINION..whether you wanted it or no,son. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 12 00:59:13 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 00:11:43 2012. Haters gonna skate ... :)
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 12 05:07:35 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 13:48:33 2012. Why did you say that Sandra Fluke is Jewish?You said so last week. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 08:19:06 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:47:34 2012. On the other hand, taking the recommended dose of acetominophen can put you on dialysis for the rest of your life if you happen to be drunk at the time you take it. Shouldn't Tylenol be prescription-only for similar reasons?And taking aspirin or ibuprofen regularly can give some people life threatening ulcers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 12 13:49:41 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 21:15:02 2012. Prescription drugs are classified as such because the FDA has decided that they're "prescription drugs." Your argument requires us to assume that birth control is dangerous to the extent that it should only be administered by prescription. How do you figure that? Or are you going to fall back on an appeal to authority? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 12 13:52:16 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 11 21:15:00 2012. OTC means you have to get them at the pharmacy counter.No, it doesn't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 12 14:01:40 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 18:04:05 2012. Condoms aren't the valid comparison but Advil is. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 14:12:42 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 12 00:56:19 2012. Please, take the tough guy routine on the road. I'm not impressed. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 14:14:55 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 21:50:03 2012. And what would stop someone from getting one prescription at CVS, and filling another at Walgreens. It's not up to the pharmacist either.Nothing, but it's very unwise, though unfortunately encouraged by modern day health insurance, where you get your long term stuff by mail and only your short term stuff from the local pharmacy. One of the biggest causes of medical problems, especially for older people, is conflicting medicines. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 14:16:46 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 12 13:49:41 2012. Note that everyone is studiously ignoring my post about the serious hazards (and I'm not joking here) of acetominophen, ibuprophen, and aspirin. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 12 14:19:51 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 14:16:46 2012. I didn't. I posted my post comparing birth control to Advil after reading yours. I don't disagree. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 15:10:45 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 12 14:19:51 2012. Right. I meant everybody but you. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 12 15:15:21 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 00:09:42 2012. You have no idea of what you are talking about. YOUR article states that the likelihood of pill-induced cancers recedes over 10 years, where it is at the same level as someone who never took pills.You are the fucking idiot here, not to mention rude and incorrigible. You are also not a woman, STFU. This has nothing to do with non-contributing civil service retirees. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 12 15:37:06 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 20:51:44 2012. So an item meant to prevent pregnancy and the spread of disease is not medical?So based on that definition gauze and bandaids aren't medical either... |
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Mar 12 15:41:37 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 12 15:10:45 2012. i posted something very similar to what you did. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 16:25:05 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 12 15:15:21 2012. If I can't comment because I'm not a woman then neither should you, you fat fucking douche-bag. Time to shut your fucking pie hole, you fucking leech on society. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 16:26:01 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 12 15:37:06 2012. That would be correct. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 12 17:32:21 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 12 00:56:19 2012. Heh. Don't mess with the dewd ... he's a biker! Now let's all gather around and sing ..."The wheels of the bus ... go thump-thump." :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 12 17:40:02 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 16:25:05 2012. Heh.
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 18:14:53 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 12 17:40:02 2012. Not rage at all, Kev although I don't know how you put up with her. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 12 18:22:26 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 18:14:53 2012. She's plenty of fun actually ... and OK, isn't rage if you say so but you do go pretty shrill at the drop of a hat, guy ... when the words get shorter and shorter, and the verbs tenser and tenser, sure does look like rage to me. If you're going to take all this so seriously, not good for one's health ... |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 12 18:28:12 2012, in response to Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by dand124 on Sun Mar 11 13:04:16 2012. The only reason I know of not to have pills OTC is the amazingly crooked planned parenthood/Gov't anti-women kabal. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 18:29:51 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 12 18:22:26 2012. Not to worry. I'll leave before this gets that serious. Thanks for your concern, though. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 12 18:31:29 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 18:29:51 2012. No prob, bro ... :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 18:36:37 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 12 18:28:12 2012. Actually, despite all of the "expert" testimony to the contrary, posted here, any time you put either a natural or synthetic hormone into your body, it does have an affect on the body as a whole. The link I provided just discussed the effects some specific hormones have on some cancer rates but the fact that women gain weight, and have increased production of hair as well as other side effects, are a pretty good indication that they should not be dispensed over the counter. Perhaps the OTC advocate would also advocate the sale over the counter of HGH or even prednisone. We could use a leap in the suicide rate in this country. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 12 22:19:38 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 14:12:42 2012. you missed the point..thats NOT what was intended..nor do I feel its needed in order to get OUR points across,so I am willing to forgo any further acts of "drama"..BUT..I will not tolerate that kind of disrespect from YOU or anyone here at ANYTIME...nor should anyone else. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 12 22:51:04 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 12 22:19:38 2012. The response that you took exception to was not directed at you so you should really tend to your own business. I have a long standing and often restated policy. I will treat anyone with respect that gives respect. However, if I am in any way attacked, I will respond and my response will, in all likelihood, not be proportional. It is what it is |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Mar 18 12:00:22 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 11 18:24:51 2012. Condoms were invented so guys could have sex without making babies. They are not medical items. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Mar 18 13:46:33 2012, in response to Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by dand124 on Sun Mar 11 13:04:16 2012. The birth control debate is ultimately a eugenic one (no matter they tell you). It's underlying goal is captured in the question "can we get more low-IQ/low-conscientiousness people (especially those of color) to use the pill so we don't have to deal with their troublesome and costly spawn?" But, the availability of birth control is what breathed life into the sexual revolution and is the foundation of our sexually liberated society. What effect on the fertility of people of different social classes would OTC oral contraceptive have? It's hard to say; one would imagine that it would lead to fewer births among the poor, but I think that fear of the effect of birth control on the upper classes (people we want to keep in society) is the source of apprehension over it. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Mar 18 13:48:04 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 18:04:05 2012. So are Robitussin and ibuprofen. But you don't need a prescription for those, do you? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Mar 18 13:49:28 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 11 21:16:29 2012. Give it time and it may be... |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 18 13:50:32 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by JayMan on Sun Mar 18 13:46:33 2012. No, it's more about keeping women out of full participation in society, especially economically. If they're saddled with pregnancy and an ever expanding number of children, it's difficult to keep a job. It's about creating dependency. There are plenty of men who are still frightened by independent women. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Mar 18 13:51:21 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by dand124 on Sun Mar 11 21:31:08 2012. the reason most prescription are denied is because the cause is often psychosomatic.Really? It's my understanding that true psychosomatic disorders are rare. Do you have evidence of this? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Mar 18 13:58:51 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by Train Dude on Sun Mar 11 22:47:34 2012. Although OC use may increase the risk of cervical cancer, human papillomavirus (HPV) is recognized as the major cause of this disease.I guess you missed that part. Obviously mandating the vaccine is called for... |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Mar 18 14:05:45 2012, in response to Re: Fight Birth Control Battle Over the Counter, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 18 13:50:32 2012. There's elements of that too (in my comments about the sexual revolution). Ultimately however it is a eugenic motive (more White SAHMs = more White babies). I'm going to write about it in greater depth on my blog. |
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